#1 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio

the elements of fire vs the force of magnetism.

this battle is taking place in the cell games. who wins and why?


#2 Posted by Ego (2324 posts) - - Show Bio

so no one has an opinion about megnetism vs fire?

#3 Posted by Last_Guardian (28052 posts) - - Show Bio

team fire.....curbstomp...way too much power for mags to handle

#4 Posted by the creator (8577 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto's control over the entire EM field enables him to have a chance at defeating a good proportion of the fire team.

Looking at each foe in turn,

Human Torch:

The Human Torch emits a fiery plasma from his body to fly, throw 'fireballs' etc.
Remember that a flame is an exothermic, self-sustaining, oxidizing chemical reaction producing energy and glowing hot matter, of which a very small portion is plasma.
In this case as the Torch's flame does not consume anything for this reaction, his flame must in fact be all plasma based. It simply ignites the air (and microscopic debris in the air) around it and thus has a flaming look about it.
Plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to the presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
Therefore Magneto should be able to redirect, disperse or hold off the Torch's attacks.
The Human Torch's plasma also emits a lot of Infrared radiation (Infrared light). This in theory could be also used to transmit energy to 'heat' up Magneto.
However, Magneto's control of energy extends to the rest of the EM spectrum (to a lesser degree) and this includes IR light - so again he can block or control this energy emission.

Pyro:
Pyro uses a flamethrower that Magneto can destroy.
Pyro could then simply use the fire of his companions to manipulate for effects. Their fire is still plasma based and thus as mentioned for the Human Torch, Magneto can block/control it's effects.

Fire Star:
She projects microwave radiation, that is part of the EM spectrum so Magneto can 'block her powers' and shield himself from them. She flies by the microwave radiation heating the air around her, causing it to become plasma. Like already mentioned, Magneto can effect plasma, so he could simply remove the buyount plasma or block her microwave emissions to stop them heating the air.
The only issue with Firestar is that her power levels are immensely high. She has in the past been able to repower a Sh'iar transport instellar transport gate with relative ease. This amount of power might tax Magneto to block when splitting his attaention.

Fire Lord:
Here's some stuff on Firelord from the OHOTMU,

Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object

By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.

Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.


If this was Magneto vs the first 3 I would back him for the win. However the addition of Firelord really tips the balance (as by himself he is as powerful, if not more so, than the first 3) as Firelord has a far broader repotoire of powers than simple fire projection and control.

The fire team wins. 

#5 Edited by TheDrifter (26563 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
His usual Genius
Yeah, I agree with all of that
#6 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Magneto's control over the entire EM field enables him to have a chance at defeating a good proportion of the fire team.

Looking at each foe in turn,

Human Torch:

The Human Torch emits a fiery plasma from his body to fly, throw 'fireballs' etc.
Remember that a flame is an exothermic, self-sustaining, oxidizing chemical reaction producing energy and glowing hot matter, of which a very small portion is plasma.
In this case as the Torch's flame does not consume anything for this reaction, his flame must in fact be all plasma based. It simply ignites the air (and microscopic debris in the air) around it and thus has a flaming look about it.
Plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to the presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
Therefore Magneto should be able to redirect, disperse or hold off the Torch's attacks.
The Human Torch's plasma also emits a lot of Infrared radiation (Infrared light). This in theory could be also used to transmit energy to 'heat' up Magneto.
However, Magneto's control of energy extends to the rest of the EM spectrum (to a lesser degree) and this includes IR light - so again he can block or control this energy emission.

Pyro:
Pyro uses a flamethrower that Magneto can destroy.
Pyro could then simply use the fire of his companions to manipulate for effects. Their fire is still plasma based and thus as mentioned for the Human Torch, Magneto can block/control it's effects.

Fire Star:
She projects microwave radiation, that is part of the EM spectrum so Magneto can 'block her powers' and shield himself from them. She flies by the microwave radiation heating the air around her, causing it to become plasma. Like already mentioned, Magneto can effect plasma, so he could simply remove the buyount plasma or block her microwave emissions to stop them heating the air.
The only issue with Firestar is that her power levels are immensely high. She has in the past been able to repower a Sh'iar transport instellar transport gate with relative ease. This amount of power might tax Magneto to block when splitting his attaention.

Fire Lord:
Here's some stuff on Firelord from the OHOTMU,

Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object

By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.

Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.


If this was Magneto vs the first 3 I would back him for the win. However the addition of Firelord really tips the balance (as by himself he is as powerful, if not more so, than the first 3) as Firelord has a far broader repotoire of powers than simple fire projection and control.

The fire team wins. 

"


Brilliant!
#7 Posted by King Saturn (225186 posts) - - Show Bio
I am thinking these Hot Boyz win here...
#8 Posted by Meteorite (3351 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Magneto's control over the entire EM field enables him to have a chance at defeating a good proportion of the fire team.

Looking at each foe in turn,

Human Torch:

The Human Torch emits a fiery plasma from his body to fly, throw 'fireballs' etc.
Remember that a flame is an exothermic, self-sustaining, oxidizing chemical reaction producing energy and glowing hot matter, of which a very small portion is plasma.
In this case as the Torch's flame does not consume anything for this reaction, his flame must in fact be all plasma based. It simply ignites the air (and microscopic debris in the air) around it and thus has a flaming look about it.
Plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to the presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
Therefore Magneto should be able to redirect, disperse or hold off the Torch's attacks.
The Human Torch's plasma also emits a lot of Infrared radiation (Infrared light). This in theory could be also used to transmit energy to 'heat' up Magneto.
However, Magneto's control of energy extends to the rest of the EM spectrum (to a lesser degree) and this includes IR light - so again he can block or control this energy emission.

Pyro:
Pyro uses a flamethrower that Magneto can destroy.
Pyro could then simply use the fire of his companions to manipulate for effects. Their fire is still plasma based and thus as mentioned for the Human Torch, Magneto can block/control it's effects.

Fire Star:
She projects microwave radiation, that is part of the EM spectrum so Magneto can 'block her powers' and shield himself from them. She flies by the microwave radiation heating the air around her, causing it to become plasma. Like already mentioned, Magneto can effect plasma, so he could simply remove the buyount plasma or block her microwave emissions to stop them heating the air.
The only issue with Firestar is that her power levels are immensely high. She has in the past been able to repower a Sh'iar transport instellar transport gate with relative ease. This amount of power might tax Magneto to block when splitting his attaention.

Fire Lord:
Here's some stuff on Firelord from the OHOTMU,

Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object

By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.

Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.


If this was Magneto vs the first 3 I would back him for the win. However the addition of Firelord really tips the balance (as by himself he is as powerful, if not more so, than the first 3) as Firelord has a far broader repotoire of powers than simple fire projection and control.

The fire team wins. 

"
... Eh?
#9 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio
Meteorite said:
"the creator said:
"Magneto's control over the entire EM field enables him to have a chance at defeating a good proportion of the fire team.

Looking at each foe in turn,

Human Torch:

The Human Torch emits a fiery plasma from his body to fly, throw 'fireballs' etc.
Remember that a flame is an exothermic, self-sustaining, oxidizing chemical reaction producing energy and glowing hot matter, of which a very small portion is plasma.
In this case as the Torch's flame does not consume anything for this reaction, his flame must in fact be all plasma based. It simply ignites the air (and microscopic debris in the air) around it and thus has a flaming look about it.
Plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to the presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
Therefore Magneto should be able to redirect, disperse or hold off the Torch's attacks.
The Human Torch's plasma also emits a lot of Infrared radiation (Infrared light). This in theory could be also used to transmit energy to 'heat' up Magneto.
However, Magneto's control of energy extends to the rest of the EM spectrum (to a lesser degree) and this includes IR light - so again he can block or control this energy emission.

Pyro:
Pyro uses a flamethrower that Magneto can destroy.
Pyro could then simply use the fire of his companions to manipulate for effects. Their fire is still plasma based and thus as mentioned for the Human Torch, Magneto can block/control it's effects.

Fire Star:
She projects microwave radiation, that is part of the EM spectrum so Magneto can 'block her powers' and shield himself from them. She flies by the microwave radiation heating the air around her, causing it to become plasma. Like already mentioned, Magneto can effect plasma, so he could simply remove the buyount plasma or block her microwave emissions to stop them heating the air.
The only issue with Firestar is that her power levels are immensely high. She has in the past been able to repower a Sh'iar transport instellar transport gate with relative ease. This amount of power might tax Magneto to block when splitting his attaention.

Fire Lord:
Here's some stuff on Firelord from the OHOTMU,

Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object

By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.

Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.


If this was Magneto vs the first 3 I would back him for the win. However the addition of Firelord really tips the balance (as by himself he is as powerful, if not more so, than the first 3) as Firelord has a far broader repotoire of powers than simple fire projection and control.

The fire team wins. 

"
... Eh?"


Basically Magneto can take out the other three, but Fire Lord would either be equal or too much for Magneto.
#10 Posted by StriderHiryu (55 posts) - - Show Bio
the creator said:
"Magneto's control over the entire EM field enables him to have a chance at defeating a good proportion of the fire team.

Looking at each foe in turn,

Human Torch:

The Human Torch emits a fiery plasma from his body to fly, throw 'fireballs' etc.
Remember that a flame is an exothermic, self-sustaining, oxidizing chemical reaction producing energy and glowing hot matter, of which a very small portion is plasma.
In this case as the Torch's flame does not consume anything for this reaction, his flame must in fact be all plasma based. It simply ignites the air (and microscopic debris in the air) around it and thus has a flaming look about it.
Plasma is typically an ionized gas. Plasma is considered to be a distinct state of matter, apart from gases, because of its unique properties. Ionized refers to the presence of one or more free electrons, which are not bound to an atom or molecule. The free electric charges make the plasma electrically conductive so that it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.
Therefore Magneto should be able to redirect, disperse or hold off the Torch's attacks.
The Human Torch's plasma also emits a lot of Infrared radiation (Infrared light). This in theory could be also used to transmit energy to 'heat' up Magneto.
However, Magneto's control of energy extends to the rest of the EM spectrum (to a lesser degree) and this includes IR light - so again he can block or control this energy emission.

Pyro:
Pyro uses a flamethrower that Magneto can destroy.
Pyro could then simply use the fire of his companions to manipulate for effects. Their fire is still plasma based and thus as mentioned for the Human Torch, Magneto can block/control it's effects.

Fire Star:
She projects microwave radiation, that is part of the EM spectrum so Magneto can 'block her powers' and shield himself from them. She flies by the microwave radiation heating the air around her, causing it to become plasma. Like already mentioned, Magneto can effect plasma, so he could simply remove the buyount plasma or block her microwave emissions to stop them heating the air.
The only issue with Firestar is that her power levels are immensely high. She has in the past been able to repower a Sh'iar transport instellar transport gate with relative ease. This amount of power might tax Magneto to block when splitting his attaention.

Fire Lord:
Here's some stuff on Firelord from the OHOTMU,

Firelord possesses the ability to manipulate cosmic energy in the form of stellar fire. His entire organic carbon-based body was transformed to accommodate the nuclear energies that course through him. These energies make him the humanoid equivalent of a miniature sun. Projected from any point on his body at mental command, Firelords energies encompass the entire electromagnetic spectrum possessed by a star: heat, light, gravity, radio waves, and charged particles. The maximum amount of energy he can produce at once is determined by his mass. When all the atoms of his body are in fusion, his energy level is equivalent to the outer layers of a small star. By the slightest manifestation of his stellar powers, he can burn through any Earthly substance (with the exception of Adamantium). He can project a stream of fire resembling a solar flare for distances measured in the hundreds of miles. Firelord can control the path of his cosmic fire to such an extent that he can project a sustained ring at a fixed distance around a person or object

By utilizing his cosmic power uni-directionally. Firelord can fly at near-light speeds through interstellar space. (Flying at such speeds near planetary bodies, however, could cause devastating gravitational disturbances.) Firelord can even traverse hyperspace without danger to himself. Firelord uses the gravitational fields of stars to help him break his speed.

Although Firelord still possesses a solid physical body, he is virtually impervious to most forms of physical harm. His body automatically incinerates any projectile before it reaches the surface of his "skin." He is immune to disease, aging, and muscle fatigue. He no longer needs to eat since his body takes its nourishment from the carbon-carbon cycle of solar fusion. He no longer needs to breathe air and hence can exist indefinitely in the hard vacuum of space.


If this was Magneto vs the first 3 I would back him for the win. However the addition of Firelord really tips the balance (as by himself he is as powerful, if not more so, than the first 3) as Firelord has a far broader repotoire of powers than simple fire projection and control.

The fire team wins. 

"
 I was going to say the Fire Lord statement that you said,But you beat me to it



Unless the Fire Lord is wearing his armor though ...