#1 Edited by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter, no prep, morals on, fighting to the best of their abilities, 100 ft apart, who wins? 
 

vs  
 

#2 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio

Any takers?

#3 Posted by MarvelJackAss433 (12774 posts) - - Show Bio

too weird to tell.
#4 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
" too weird to tell. "
What's weird about a battle between the master of magnetism vs the master of darkness?
#5 Posted by MarvelJackAss433 (12774 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy:
I'm not sue either of them can hurt eachother.
#6 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@MarvelJackAss433 said:

" @Mr Creesy: I'm not sue either of them can hurt eachother. "

 I'm sure many can make a case for Magneto so I guess I'll make a case for Cloak.
#7 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio

hmm...gonna come back to this one...

#8 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio

Cloak has engulfed Thanos in his  Dark Dimension while Thanos was wearing the Infinity Gauntlet. So its more than likely that Magneto will be engulfed as well. The next question is could Magneto survive the dark dimension "facing his worst fears" while Cloak simultaneously drains the life force out of Magneto.

#9 Edited by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:

" hmm...gonna come back to this one... "

Hurry up because Magneto might be dead by time you get back. ( jk ) , but seriously
#10 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio

cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters

#11 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here?
#12 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him
#13 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
I'm no Magneto expert, but surely Magneto can do something to save himself, right?
#14 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
light manipulation, visable light on in the EM spectrum..
#15 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
light manipulation, visable light on in the EM spectrum.. "
while that is interesting how does that affect this fight
#16 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
light manipulation, visable light on in the EM spectrum.. "
Magneto can manipulate light?
#17 Posted by PirateKing69 (4235 posts) - - Show Bio

cloak weakness should be light..but is he weak against reg light or is it a certain kind?

#18 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
light manipulation, visable light on in the EM spectrum.. "
Magneto can manipulate light? "
he should be able...of course since it is on the EM spectrum and he can manipulate, he is not just a guy who throws around metal ya know...lol@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" cloak cuz magneto has defense for teleporters "
I'm confused...who do you think will win here? "
Cloak wins, because Magneto has no defense or way of stopping him "
light manipulation, visable light on in the EM spectrum.. "
while that is interesting how does that affect this fight "
 bombardment of light should weaken him...
#19 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  has he ever shown the ability to manipulate light?
#20 Edited by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus: Cloak does not have to absorb light if he does not wish to. If a bombardment of light could weaken him he would never be able to use his powers in the day light because he would continuously absorb the sun's light. Cloak will revert back to human form if he absorbs too much light or "life force" from his victim. I believe Magneto would first have to be engulfed by Cloak into his dark dimension. Once inside Magneto would have to put on a hell of a light show to revert Cloak back to his human form. Keep in mind Magneto will be facing his worst fear while he's trying to put on this light show.
#21 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  has he ever shown the ability to manipulate light? "
well...let me see... 
yep yes he has 
i dont have scans though
#22 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @difficlus: Cloak does not have to absorb light if he does not wish to. If a bombardment of light could weaken him he would never be able to use his powers in the day light because he would continuously absorb the sun's light. "
really? i thought pure light hurt him 
either way i'm leaning on magneto...:P
#23 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  has he ever shown the ability to manipulate light? "
well...let me see... yep yes he has i dont have scans though "
can i get some more info 
like what issue it was? or how he did it or needed to do it? what was the context of him doing it?
#24 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio

This is how Doctor Doom fared in Cloak's dark dimension....
 








Cloak defeats Doom by making him destroy his own machine in the next scan.
 

#25 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:

" @difficlus said:

" @hydrabob said:

" @difficlus:  has he ever shown the ability to manipulate light? "
well...let me see... yep yes he has i dont have scans though "
can i get some more info  like what issue it was? or how he did it or needed to do it? what was the context of him doing it? "
theres one where he deflects light off him while fighting the x men...wait here are scans 
    
 
 
#26 Edited by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio

I posted the fight with Dr. Doom to give everyone an idea what Magneto will face once he gets engulfed, because that's exactly what will happen. I stated before that Cloak has engulfed Thanos while Thanos was wearing the infinity gauntlet. So there should be no doubt in anyone's mind if Cloak can capture Magneto. The real question is, can Magneto escape the dark dimension?  I'm starting to think he can't.

#27 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away
and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension"
#28 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension" "
no he deflected the photons away as he said...any way i never said he would try to make light inside of the dimension. Of course does Cloak always start battles with that?...
#29 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension" "
no he deflected the photons away as he said...any way i never said he would try to make light inside of the dimension. Of course does Cloak always start battles with that?... "
well from what i've seen from cloak it's kinda his only move
#30 Edited by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:

" @difficlus said:

" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension" "
no he deflected the photons away as he said...any way i never said he would try to make light inside of the dimension. Of course does Cloak always start battles with that?... "
well from what i've seen from cloak it's kinda his only move "
what if magneto bfr's him before he can, or rapes his brain (he still has atoms right?) lor w/e...
#31 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that
#32 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his...
#33 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields.
how is magneto going to teleport?
#34 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking.
#35 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking. "
wormhole...and he can teleport other objects, im sure he wont stand there and let himself get sucked into some guys chest...
#36 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking. "
wormhole...and he can teleport other objects, im sure he wont stand there and let himself get sucked into some guys chest... "
Magneto can create wormholes?
i think that is a little beyond his power level
#37 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking. "
wormhole...and he can teleport other objects, im sure he wont stand there and let himself get sucked into some guys chest... "
Magneto can create wormholes? i think that is a little beyond his power level "
dude he can since a long time...and his shields are no push over, they have taken multiple nukes without even sligtly blucking and took blasts from a pissed galactus and allowed him to survive in space, taken blasts that have rattles up Thor and blasts from captain universe spider man, blocked off psionic energy attacks and telekinetic blasts from jean grey pheonix (who was not holding back) . Its not easily to suddenly absorb them as even pheonic jean grey couldnt remove them... 
#38 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking. "
wormhole...and he can teleport other objects, im sure he wont stand there and let himself get sucked into some guys chest... "
Cloak would be on you before you even had a chance to run away. Also, its not like Cloak is going to slowly creep on you, announcing that he his going to pull you into his dark dimension either. He will always use the element of surprise. Combined with Cloak's ability to teleport and hide in the shadows, Magneto will most certainly be engulfed. Once you understand this, you will begin to focus on how does Magneto get out rather than how does Magneto avoid capture. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet was captured = Magneto gets captured. Lastly, there might not even be a magnetic field in the dark dimension for Magneto to manipulate. Its debatable, but its an idea.
#39 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  you do realize that everything you just listed for why his shields are so awesome is an energy of some kind not a physical attack like with Cloak.
#40 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @difficlus said:
" @Mr Creesy said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
can't he teleport out while he is getting sucked in, its not like magneto will just stand there and let it happen, plus he has those shields of his... "
well I think cloak could engulf his shields as well. and I don't see how a person is affected by magnetic fields. how is magneto going to teleport? "
lol..."how is Magneto going to teleport" , that's what I was thinking. "
wormhole...and he can teleport other objects, im sure he wont stand there and let himself get sucked into some guys chest... "
Cloak would be on you before you even had a chance to run away. Also, its not like Cloak is going to slowly creep on you, announcing that he his going to pull you into his dark dimension either. He will always use the element of surprise. Combined with Cloak's ability to teleport and hide in the shadows, Magneto will most certainly be engulfed. Once you understand this, you will begin to focus on how does Magneto get out rather than how does Magneto avoid capture. Thanos with the infinity gauntlet was captured = Magneto gets captured. Lastly, there might not even be a magnetic field in the dark dimension for Magneto to manipulate. Its debatable, but its an idea. "
what? Thanos even met Cloak, i dont remember this 
Ok magneto has enhances reflexes times 15 of a peak humans so the element of surprise isn't there. and secondly Magneto can do this while Cloak is trying to absorb him...its not difficult since he has enhanced reaction time and thought processing...
#41 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:

" @difficlus said:

" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension" "
no he deflected the photons away as he said...any way i never said he would try to make light inside of the dimension. Of course does Cloak always start battles with that?... "
well from what i've seen from cloak it's kinda his only move "
what if magneto bfr's him before he can, or rapes his brain (he still has atoms right?) lor w/e... "
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
My thoughts exactly.
#42 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:

" @difficlus said:

" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  that looks more like him using his shields to deflect the light away and even so i don't think there is any light of him to manipulate in a place called the "Dark Dimension" "
no he deflected the photons away as he said...any way i never said he would try to make light inside of the dimension. Of course does Cloak always start battles with that?... "
well from what i've seen from cloak it's kinda his only move "
what if magneto bfr's him before he can, or rapes his brain (he still has atoms right?) lor w/e... "
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  i suppose he could do any of those things to him but I think cloak would attempt to put him in the dark dimension before magneto would try to do something like that "
My thoughts exactly. "
Magneto would get the first word, he has the upper hand in reflexes and thought processing power...plus he is much more expereinced and ruthless...
#43 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  dude Thanos is a titan he is way above magneto in reaction time and thought processing since he fights people that move faster light on a regular basis
#44 Posted by PirateKing69 (4235 posts) - - Show Bio

Magneto got this...forgot his reflexes were high till dfficlus said it..he would be able to react before cloak could do anything

#45 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  dude Thanos is a titan he is way above magneto in reaction time and thought processing since he fights people that move faster light on a regular basis "
i know...what are you talking about? its Messenger that said Thanos got captured i wasn't aware he even met cloak while he had the IG... 
and for the record im pretty sure magneto can teleport between dimensions to. so the dark force dimension might be null...
#46 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  dude Thanos is a titan he is way above magneto in reaction time and thought processing since he fights people that move faster light on a regular basis "
i know...what are you talking about? its Messenger that said Thanos got captured i wasn't aware he even met cloak while he had the IG... and for the record im pretty sure magneto can teleport between dimensions to. so the dark force dimension might be null... "
you were talking about how he is so smart and how his reaction time is so high if Cloak was able to get Thanos who is way higher than magneto then he can get Magneto.
#47 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@hydrabob said:
" @difficlus said:
" @hydrabob said:
" @difficlus:  dude Thanos is a titan he is way above magneto in reaction time and thought processing since he fights people that move faster light on a regular basis "
i know...what are you talking about? its Messenger that said Thanos got captured i wasn't aware he even met cloak while he had the IG... and for the record im pretty sure magneto can teleport between dimensions to. so the dark force dimension might be null... "
you were talking about how he is so smart and how his reaction time is so high if Cloak was able to get Thanos who is way higher than magneto then he can get Magneto. "
when did cloak get thanos? and when did this happen while thanos had the IG?
#48 Posted by Mr Creesy (928 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus: 
I'm searching for the scans as we speak. Thanos was engulfed. What I failed to mention was that Thanos killed Cloak after he was engulfed, but who didn't Thanos kill while he had the infinity gauntlet.
#49 Posted by hydrabob--defunct (14985 posts) - - Show Bio
@difficlus:  I don't know I'm waiting for Creesy to post some scans
#50 Posted by difficlus (10659 posts) - - Show Bio
@Mr Creesy said:
" @difficlus:  I'm searching for the scans as we speak. Thanos was engulfed. What I failed to mention was that Thanos killed Cloak after he was engulfed, but who didn't Thanos kill while he had the infinity gauntlet. "
if thanos with the IG got sucked in that is piss, he could have easily erased cloak form exsistance, it fact its amusing street level heroes are meddling in marvel cosmics. sorry but this goes against consistent showing of cloak, from fighting drug lords to owning Thanos with the IG, who SS and Strange and all those heavy weight had trouble with and who slaughtered death ( a semi abstract). sorry i can't accept that as a consistent power level showing...