@Floopay: That's what a lot of us thought but I was trying to battle the way the Daken supporters were. I've always thought that Magneto should be classifies as an omega, personally.
@god_spawn: The scan of Wolvie and Cyclops doesn't show that he was taken unawares. In fact, he seems fully aware that they're fighting. Let's also not forget that in X-Men Vol 2 #1, Mags managed to almost completely sidestep an attack by Wolverine who was on the verge of going into a berserker fury while playing nice and fending off the whole X-Men blue team.
I'm baffled, please tell me none of you are serious! Deadpool is NOT, I repeat NOT FTL. Marvel is NOT stating that he is FTL. Daken is NOT FTL, because he was faster than Wade on one occasion, doesn't make him FTL it makes him faster than another peak human who is NOT FTL.
I'm baffled, we have scans to back up our claims and you want to say we're not serious. Seems insulting really.
@Queso6p4: And he got punched by QS moving at mach 5, which doesn't put him on FTL. And Carol isn't FTL, she hasn't been to my knowledge at least and if she is it isn't until her modern power levels or possibly during binary but she isn't my forte.
@god_spawn: KLUDDD is the sound of arguments being crushed. But the Magneto fans will ignore that too. You might as well call this MagnetoVine for all the fanwankery going on.
At first I was going to make a comment about certain people taking notes in their prior debates with Storm fans, but then it was established that Spider-Man is a light speeder and my POV was swayed.
Does the following successful block followed by groin-kick mean Clinton is FTL? According to you guys' logic, yes!
That wasn't Ms. Marvel like you said, that was Photon as Captain Marvel so there is a difference. And Hawkeye fires FTL arrows as shown by CB.
Also,
So fast there, Mags
And Karnak hits Magneto twice. Karnak gets dodged and one shotted by BP and T'Challa is FTL cause he dodged Logan twice who has been proven to be FTL.
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So Karnak gets dodged by someone FTL who dodges a proven FTL fighter like Wolverine cause Wolverine fights FTL people like Spider-Man and Deadpool which makes Karnak just at light speed or below making Magneto slower than lightspeed unlike Daken.
@CitizenBane: Daken can't do faster than light attacks because he doesn't have super human speed
ORLY?
Marvel ranks Deadpool at 7 in the speed department, highest possible rating btw, and that means he's faster than light:
And yet Deadpool can't lay a finger on Daken.
2+2 =4.
So you think Magneto can react to lightspeed attacks? He can't even react to Mach 5 attacks.
Wait a minute. Where the hell did you get this info? Marvel has Daken's speed listed at 3 and Mags' at 4. End of discussion.
I wish you would read more Daken, he obviously used his incredible manipulative powers to make the guy who edits Marvel.com THINK he's just a 3. His feats clearly prove otherwise. Try again.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
No, you're not. You can't claim Marvel as the ultimate authority and then backtrack when presented with evidence that proves the opposite of what you claim. Those links I posted clearly show Magneto is faster and given the myriad other abilities and feats he has, would destroy Daken. Daken doesn't write his stats for Marvel and can't trick a real person into writing the wrong stats.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
No, you're not. You can't claim Marvel as the ultimate authority and then backtrack when presented with evidence that proves the opposite of what you claim. Those links I posted clearly show Magneto is faster and given the myriad other abilities and feats he has, would destroy Daken. Daken doesn't write his stats for Marvel and can't trick a real person into writing the wrong stats.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
No, you're not. You can't claim Marvel as the ultimate authority and then backtrack when presented with evidence that proves the opposite of what you claim. Those links I posted clearly show Magneto is faster and given the myriad other abilities and feats he has, would destroy Daken. Daken doesn't write his stats for Marvel and can't trick a real person into writing the wrong stats.
Look, we're not getting anywhere if you want to ignore Daken's manipulative abilities and the role of those abilities on the people who make his stats.
I wish you would read more Daken, he obviously used his incredible manipulative powers to make the guy who edits Marvel.com THINK he's just a 3. His feats clearly prove otherwise. Try again.
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
No, you're not. You can't claim Marvel as the ultimate authority and then backtrack when presented with evidence that proves the opposite of what you claim. Those links I posted clearly show Magneto is faster and given the myriad other abilities and feats he has, would destroy Daken. Daken doesn't write his stats for Marvel and can't trick a real person into writing the wrong stats.
Sure he can. He has pheromones.
I had hoped you were joking and still am.
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@Queso6p4 said:
@CitizenBane said:
@god_spawn: Darn.
@Queso6p4 said:
@CitizenBane: I've read/have the whole series. Plus you yourself said Marvel was the ultimate authority "LOL, Marvel's opinion>yours," even though the ratings are screwy so you need to stick to your guns with that. Plus you're basically saying anyone who can dodge an attack from Wolverine is FTL? Well, in that case that list is quite long, indeed. Your argument doesn't make sense.
I am sticking to my guns. Daken is a liar and so his stats lie too. I don't need to explain this, honestly. It should just be common knowledge.
No, you're not. You can't claim Marvel as the ultimate authority and then backtrack when presented with evidence that proves the opposite of what you claim. Those links I posted clearly show Magneto is faster and given the myriad other abilities and feats he has, would destroy Daken. Daken doesn't write his stats for Marvel and can't trick a real person into writing the wrong stats.
Look, we're not getting anywhere if you want to ignore Daken's manipulative abilities and the role of those abilities on the people who make his stats.
So, Daken, who doesn't exist in real life, can manipulate people who actually do exist to write his stats incorrectly? Daken cannot affect people who actually exist.Plus, you're still ignoring that you at first claimed to defer to the Marvel authority but later on, when presented with stats you don't agree with, you chose to ignore it. Bravo! You make me want to drink. Heavily.
Daken cannot affect people who actually exist.Plus, you're still ignoring that you at first claimed to defer to the Marvel authority but later on, when presented with stats you don't agree with, you chose to ignore it. Bravo! You make me want to drink. Heavily.
Common misconception. I wonder why you believe it? Probably because Daken wants you to, since it suits his interests that people not know his full potential. It's terribly simple, Marvel is the ultimate authority, but nowhere did I say that the ultimate authority can't be tricked. Certain characters can do so. Daken is the master of manipulation, so he can trick Marvel.com. Mysterio is the master of illusions, so he can trick Marvel.com. Fantomex is the master of misdirection, so he can trick Marvel.com. And so on, and therefore for these characters you cannot trust the official stats. Does Magneto have incredible manipulative abilities? Nope. He can't even keep his kids in line. So your point is moot and you really have no argument, and I can only assume that's what driving you to alcohol, because from where I'm standing my argument seems painfully simply to follow.
Marvel.com is a wiki anyway. Anyone can edit it. It is clear that some Daken hater went in and sabotaged the stats. Which means we would have to go by the evidence in the issues. CB has shown more evidence than everyone else in this thread combined so far. Not only that but CB has not even played the instant teleportation card.
@CitizenBane: What if Daken manipulated you into thinking he's more powerful than he actually is? H***, he could've made all those creators write him heads and shoulders above what he can actually do. Isn't that interesting? I'm sure Daken is driving me to drink as well. D*** him and his all-powerful masterful influence of actually reality! Why stop there? He could be responsible for every retcon done for every character after his inception so now we know who to blame.
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Marvel.com is a wiki anyway. Anyone can edit it. It is clear that some Daken hater went in and sabotaged the stats. Which means we would have to go by the evidence in the issues. CB has shown more evidence than everyone else in this thread combined so far. Not only that but CB has not even played the instant teleportation card.
Ok. Let's break this down. CB's evidence starts with using Wiki stats about Deadpool stating that he's faster than light. Everything else is based on this fundamental claim as if Deadpool isn't FTL this argument would hold no water. Let's not forget that, apparently, anyone who can dodge an attack by someone who is FTL is automatically FTL themselves so anyone who's dodged Deadpool's, Cyclops's, Wolverine's, direct attacks count for this. Using this logic, this produces an almost endless chain of people who are FTL and I'm pretty sure it'll loop back around to Magneto at some point.
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