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#1 Posted by mistresssobeautiful (787 posts) - - Show Bio

Hands down Storm and Magneto are more powerful than teams. Really Storm don't even need the X-men, since her powers dwarf their's and she can block telepathy with electric fields.

Day One: Storm and Mags VS X-men team (current or classic, you choose). Not counting herself as part of the team of course.

Day Two: VS The Justice League: Minus Superman and Wonder Woman. The rest I think Storm and Mags would solo. Batman get's a week of prep (not that it will help) Battle happens outside Wayne Manor.

#2 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1581 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh, mag's i agree, storm, not so much

#3 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3610 posts) - - Show Bio

@mistresssobeautiful:

Sorry pretty girl, but if this is a no holds barred battle (excluding Superman & WW of course) there's nothing in either of their expansive powersets that would protect them from having their necks broken via telekinesis from Martian Manhunter in Round 2. From across town.

Love your avatar pic though...

#4 Posted by AverageInsanity (213 posts) - - Show Bio

Can magneto beat martian Manhunter and plastic man? What can he do to harm them? His "blood bending" or whatever its called would work on them. Mm can phase through what ever he throws at him. Plastic man can shapeshifters to dodge all magneto throws as well.

Can storm beat Captain Marvel, Red tornado and Firestorm all at once?

#5 Posted by AverageInsanity (213 posts) - - Show Bio

@averageinsanity: I meant to say that "blood bending" WOULDN'T work on Martian Manhunter. Since he's not human and his anatomy is totally different and It's never said if he has iron in his martian blood.

As for plastic man, he doesn't even have blood right?

#6 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5566 posts) - - Show Bio

@averageinsanity: Plastic Man should be entirely Plastic at this point in time, it was stated that TP doesn't work against him because his mind isn't made out of organic matter anymore, so I'd assume the rest of him is the same way, plus I've never seen Plastic Man bleed.

#7 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma throws a psi bolt and KO's Storm, while Psylocke stabs Magneto in the head with her psi-blade :)

#8 Posted by dondave (38483 posts) - - Show Bio

@averageinsanity: I meant to say that "blood bending" WOULDN'T work on Martian Manhunter. Since he's not human and his anatomy is totally different and It's never said if he has iron in his martian blood.

As for plastic man, he doesn't even have blood right?

He actually has more Iron in his blood than humans

#9 Posted by HeraldofGanthet (3610 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave:

He actually has more Iron in his blood than humans

True. Dr. Polaris exploited this once to great effect, but I doubt J'onn would let himself be caught with his pants down (so to speak) again against another magnetokinetic. He'd probably go for the quick kill in a no holds barred type of scenario.

#10 Edited by AverageInsanity (213 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Posted by AverageInsanity (213 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: oh. Did not know that. But he can't control plastic man, right? I know his helmet protect magneto from telepathy. But could someone like flash easily just knock his helmet off, exposing him to Martians telepathy? Or is there something stoping flash from doing that?

#12 Posted by pooty (11373 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: oh. Did not know that. But he can't control plastic man, right? I know his helmet protect magneto from telepathy. But could someone like flash easily just knock his helmet off, exposing him to Martians telepathy? Or is there something stoping flash from doing that?

Flash won't need MM help. Flash beats Mags/Storm in seconds

#13 Posted by Experio (16630 posts) - - Show Bio

No soloing going.

#14 Posted by Kal-El Summers (208 posts) - - Show Bio

Why do people keep forgetting that current Mags is pretty weak compared to what he used to be before AvX?

#15 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (10649 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@averageinsanity said:

@dondave: oh. Did not know that. But he can't control plastic man, right? I know his helmet protect magneto from telepathy. But could someone like flash easily just knock his helmet off, exposing him to Martians telepathy? Or is there something stoping flash from doing that?

Flash won't need MM help. Flash beats Mags/Storm in seconds

Agreed. This is a big mis-match.

Emma throws a psi bolt and KO's Storm, while Psylocke stabs Magneto in the head with her psi-blade :)

MMM nah. Storm takes a clear majority against Emma.

Hands down Storm and Magneto are more powerful than teams. Really Storm don't even need the X-men, since her powers dwarf their's and she can block telepathy with electric fields.

Day One: Storm and Mags VS X-men team (current or classic, you choose). Not counting herself as part of the team of course.

Day Two: VS The Justice League: Minus Superman and Wonder Woman. The rest I think Storm and Mags would solo. Batman get's a week of prep (not that it will help) Battle happens outside Wayne Manor.

This is a huge mismatch. Current Magneto is a shadow of his former self and is not soloing any team at the moment, and while Storm is powerful and has the raw power and versatility to be a team threat there are X-Men who can be a handful for her on their own (i.e. - Rachel Grey, Psylocke with her TK/TP, and Magik). And even classic Magneto and Storm cannot take on the JL.

#16 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

#17 Posted by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

#18 Posted by RogueShadow (11102 posts) - - Show Bio

Na.

#19 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

#20 Posted by Dratini1331 (7028 posts) - - Show Bio

r1: I believe in current iceman

r2: ahahahahahahaha, you serious? Is this n52 JL only? cause even then, Flash beats them both senseless. Pre-52? Dr.fate and Phantom Stranger? Zatana? Cap Marvel? Captain Atom? Any Flash? Potentially a good GL as well.

#21 Posted by Pokeysteve (8414 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol not seeing how either Mags or Storm beat any Flash or Green Lantern.

#22 Edited by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

Magneto and Storm can beat Shaman X-man? A being compared to dark phoenix in power.

How does Mags bfr bobby? That one time wormhole outing? Bobby can freeze the planet in no time. Storm would have greater mastery over Bobby's own ice from?

Magik is above both Magneto and Storm power wise as well. She takes on beings (Hell Lords and Demons) who can do way more then rip blood out of bodies and conjure up lightning.

Mags and Storm are powerful no doubt, but there are mutants more powerful then they are.

#23 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

Magneto and Storm can beat Shaman X-man? A being compared to dark phoenix in power.

How does Mags bfr bobby? That one time wormhole outing? Bobby can freeze the planet in no time. Storm would have greater mastery over Bobby's own ice from?

Magik is above both Magneto and Storm power wise as well. She takes on beings (Hell Lords and Demons) who can do way more then rip blood out of bodies and conjure up lightning.

Mags and Storm are powerful no doubt, but there are mutants more powerful then they are.

Yes, Magneto and Storm have both beaten Phoenix before. X-man should be no problem.

Magneto can wormhole him to the other side of the galaxy and then he's done. Simple as that. And yeah, Storm's controlled living wind, living mist and water in general before, she should be able to take out Iceman no problem.

And no, Magik takes on hell lords in limbo, outside of it she's much weaker. Also....ripping blood out of bodies is more hax then powerful, it's something she has no defense against. And Lightning is lightning and hurts the likes of Surfer, Stardust, and more. Also Storm can paralyze people with her lightning is she chooses and Magik can't dodge. And duh, certain mutants are far above them. But these mutants aren't them.

#24 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

Magneto and Storm can beat Shaman X-man? A being compared to dark phoenix in power.

How does Mags bfr bobby? That one time wormhole outing? Bobby can freeze the planet in no time. Storm would have greater mastery over Bobby's own ice from?

Magik is above both Magneto and Storm power wise as well. She takes on beings (Hell Lords and Demons) who can do way more then rip blood out of bodies and conjure up lightning.

Mags and Storm are powerful no doubt, but there are mutants more powerful then they are.

Yes, Magneto and Storm have both beaten Phoenix before. X-man should be no problem.

Magneto can wormhole him to the other side of the galaxy and then he's done. Simple as that. And yeah, Storm's controlled living wind, living mist and water in general before, she should be able to take out Iceman no problem.

And no, Magik takes on hell lords in limbo, outside of it she's much weaker. Also....ripping blood out of bodies is more hax then powerful, it's something she has no defense against. And Lightning is lightning and hurts the likes of Surfer, Stardust, and more. Also Storm can paralyze people with her lightning is she chooses and Magik can't dodge. And duh, certain mutants are far above them. But these mutants aren't them.

Please us context when you say Magneto beat Phoenix before. Phoenix had placed blocks on her powers, and was only using a psionic output that rivaled Xavier when this happened. She also was only using physical attacks via TK and then he pulled off some one time trick that allowed him to siphon off her powers, and that was because under normal circumstances, under the umbrella of raw power, she was beating him.

When did Storm beat the Phoenix?

The only way Magneto or Storm can take out Iceman is to remove all traces of water in all its forms from the battle field, including their own bodies. Iceman is not living water, wind or mist. He is a consciousness that can inhabit those things. Tapping his full power he can exist in all forms of water at once, so technically there is no real way to BFR him. If Magneto is going to use lesser used feats of his (like creating wormholes) then we can argue that Bobby too will be using lesser used feats like being present in all the water on the Earth.

Why can't Magik dodge? She doesn't need to anyway, she can just teleport. Lightning attacks have been dodged before, and unless Storm can use lightning to shut off powers, paralyzing a teleporter is not the end of the battle with that teleporter.

#25 Edited by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

Magneto and Storm can beat Shaman X-man? A being compared to dark phoenix in power.

How does Mags bfr bobby? That one time wormhole outing? Bobby can freeze the planet in no time. Storm would have greater mastery over Bobby's own ice from?

Magik is above both Magneto and Storm power wise as well. She takes on beings (Hell Lords and Demons) who can do way more then rip blood out of bodies and conjure up lightning.

Mags and Storm are powerful no doubt, but there are mutants more powerful then they are.

Yes, Magneto and Storm have both beaten Phoenix before. X-man should be no problem.

Magneto can wormhole him to the other side of the galaxy and then he's done. Simple as that. And yeah, Storm's controlled living wind, living mist and water in general before, she should be able to take out Iceman no problem.

And no, Magik takes on hell lords in limbo, outside of it she's much weaker. Also....ripping blood out of bodies is more hax then powerful, it's something she has no defense against. And Lightning is lightning and hurts the likes of Surfer, Stardust, and more. Also Storm can paralyze people with her lightning is she chooses and Magik can't dodge. And duh, certain mutants are far above them. But these mutants aren't them.

Please us context when you say Magneto beat Phoenix before. Phoenix had placed blocks on her powers, and was only using a psionic output that rivaled Xavier when this happened. She also was only using physical attacks via TK and then he pulled off some one time trick that allowed him to siphon off her powers, and that was because under normal circumstances, under the umbrella of raw power, she was beating him.

When did Storm beat the Phoenix?

The only way Magneto or Storm can take out Iceman is to remove all traces of water in all its forms from the battle field, including their own bodies. Iceman is not living water, wind or mist. He is a consciousness that can inhabit those things. Tapping his full power he can exist in all forms of water at once, so technically there is no real way to BFR him. If Magneto is going to use lesser used feats of his (like creating wormholes) then we can argue that Bobby too will be using lesser used feats like being present in all the water on the Earth.

Why can't Magik dodge? She doesn't need to anyway, she can just teleport. Lightning attacks have been dodged before, and unless Storm can use lightning to shut off powers, paralyzing a teleporter is not the end of the battle with that teleporter.

Storm has forced living Mist and Wind back into human forms and she can dehydrate people. There's nothing stoppingher from doing the same/both to Iceman.

Paralyzing Magik means she can't move. All she can do is think. Teleporting is fine but....she can't do anything to win anymore. Magik can't dodge because she realistically can't dodge lightning unless she's shown some mach 1700 or w/e reactions before.

#26 Posted by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

@chiq said:

@darkraiden said:

Yes they can beat the X-men team because the only hope is TP/Tk which both have excellent, near perfect defense against, and they can almost beat Justice League, but Flash can most likely take them down if he goes serious right away. Both have dealt with lightspeed attacks but Flash has the potential to go so MFTL that it's nearly impossible for people of their level to stop him.

Which x-men teams can they solo? What line up? They can't solo any team w/ Iceman, Magik, Classic Nate, Jean, Rachel and maybe Kitty and Tempus in the line up. Can Magneto's shields prevent Kitty from phasing? They can't solo typical JLA and Avengers teams either.

Yes. Magneto AND Storm's powers prevent/inhibit TP AND TK so Jean, Rachel, Kitty, and Nate are finished. Magneto can BFR Iceman and Storm can literally control him as he's water. Not sure who Tempus is. Magik could be a problem but I'm not sure how good she is against Lightning or having her iron in her blood ripped out.

Magneto and Storm can beat Shaman X-man? A being compared to dark phoenix in power.

How does Mags bfr bobby? That one time wormhole outing? Bobby can freeze the planet in no time. Storm would have greater mastery over Bobby's own ice from?

Magik is above both Magneto and Storm power wise as well. She takes on beings (Hell Lords and Demons) who can do way more then rip blood out of bodies and conjure up lightning.

Mags and Storm are powerful no doubt, but there are mutants more powerful then they are.

Yes, Magneto and Storm have both beaten Phoenix before. X-man should be no problem.

Magneto can wormhole him to the other side of the galaxy and then he's done. Simple as that. And yeah, Storm's controlled living wind, living mist and water in general before, she should be able to take out Iceman no problem.

And no, Magik takes on hell lords in limbo, outside of it she's much weaker. Also....ripping blood out of bodies is more hax then powerful, it's something she has no defense against. And Lightning is lightning and hurts the likes of Surfer, Stardust, and more. Also Storm can paralyze people with her lightning is she chooses and Magik can't dodge. And duh, certain mutants are far above them. But these mutants aren't them.

X-man is a being composed of pure psionic energy he has omega Level TP and TK. He is a Thor level threat. He can heal, travel in time turn invisible.His TK can destroy entire continents w/ ease. Its also lets him take punches from the beings like the Hulk. He has been described as a Sentry level threat.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/thor-vs-shaman-nate-grey-567558/

Bobby can just Flash freeze Erik. How is Iceman no problem for Magneto and Storm?

Magik can dodge Thor's AOE attack at close range and teleport bullets and lasers away. She evaded a light construct simulation of Photon. She is way more mobile then any of them. She can attack from the safety of Limbo. She can heal. Send in a demon army complete w/ lightning. Magik can bring Earth to Limbo and vice versa.

She can dump them in time, a black hole, the sun, space or Limbo w/ a single thought. She has spells that can turn people to dust and rip them apart of depower them completely. She can manipulate matter and transmute stuff. She can teleport their heads off. She is much much more mobile then either of them and has regen, the power to go astral or intangible or invisible. She can suck their souls out. Scott needed Storm, Magneto and a whole lot of other mutants when he wanted to contain Magik.

If Magik turns into Darkchilde.. it becomes a stomp.

You are seriously overestimating the power of Magneto and Storm to think that they are more powerful then a fully powered Nate or Magik.

#27 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

How can she dehydrate Bobby? He basically is water, and latch on to any water available apparently on a global scale. I don't see how anything you mentioned will give her a win over Bobby. She can't force him into a human form because he wouldn't be in one to begin with. Nothing in her arsenal allows her to change inorganic materials into flesh, so what do mean when you say she can force him into a human body? Bobby can also instantly freeze the flow of blood to the brain. Storm might have some degree of temperature resistance but nothing that proves she can protect her blood from being frozen solid.

All she needs to do is think to teleport so paralyzing her body is not a win. She can teleport others without being near them so even if she can't move she can teleport Storms head off if she wanted to. Magic has reacted to lasers and a light based danger room projection of Captain Marvel, I don't see why she can't dodge a lightning bolt by teleporting away

#28 Posted by TommyJones1945 (751 posts) - - Show Bio

Neither Mags nor Storm is soloing the JL. X-men depends on the roster.

#29 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq:

Cool, Magneto can potentially beat Thor as well.

Magneto can blood rip Bobby as fast as he can try to blood freeze him, except Mags has forcefields to stop Bobby from doing that.

Magik is....eh. If she goes in Limbo she can win, but that's not fighting the X-men since most X-men teams don't just be chilling in Limbo. All those spells and demons are nice, but Storm and Mags can still kill Magik before she does anything. One lightning bolt leaves her paralyzed, then she's repeatedly struck by them until she dies and is simultaneously frozen and suffocated all at once. Mags just blood rips and BFRs her to the sun if he wants.

@darkraiden:

How can she dehydrate Bobby? He basically is water, and latch on to any water available apparently on a global scale. I don't see how anything you mentioned will give her a win over Bobby. She can't force him into a human form because he wouldn't be in one to begin with. Nothing in her arsenal allows her to change inorganic materials into flesh, so what do mean when you say she can force him into a human body? Bobby can also instantly freeze the flow of blood to the brain. Storm might have some degree of temperature resistance but nothing that proves she can protect her blood from being frozen solid.

All she needs to do is think to teleport so paralyzing her body is not a win. She can teleport others without being near them so even if she can't move she can teleport Storms head off if she wanted to. Magic has reacted to lasers and a light based danger room projection of Captain Marvel, I don't see why she can't dodge a lightning bolt by teleporting away

But...she's done this before. To others. And IIRC Magik has never dodged something that was defined as lightning speed (lasers tend not to be much faster than bullets in Marvel Universe) and she's never teleported body parts off of people.

Storm has resistance (near immunity) so it'd take Bobby longer if it's possible at all and again, she'd force him into human form, as she has to others like him. I mean you may THINK nothing in her arsenal can do that....but it's happened.

As for dehydrating Bobby, it's simple. She forms a perimeter around him, made of wind and lightning, dehydrates him, and prevents him from leaving the area. She's tailor made for him since he's one of the elements she controls.

#30 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Others like who? I don't think you understand how Bobby's powers work. The attack from the danger room Captain Marvel was stated on panel to be light speed, Magik replies that the speed of thought is faster and teleports away. I said if she wanted to she could. There has been no restriction on what she can and cannot teleport the nature of her powers allows her to teleport what she wants, theoretically there is nothing stopping her from targeting a head.

She she is not immune to it she has resistance the limits have yet to be tested. By your logic she should be fire proof, and she is not. Storm cannot stop a direct attack on her blood that can drop its temp to nearly absolute zero instantly.

As I said above I don't think you understand how his powers work. She can't prevent him from leaving the area because she is not a telepath. His physical body does not matter he can transfer his mind into any available water including the water in her body.

#31 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Others like who? I don't think you understand how Bobby's powers work. The attack from the danger room Captain Marvel was stated on panel to be light speed, Magik replies that the speed of thought is faster and teleports away. I said if she wanted to she could. There has been no restriction on what she can and cannot teleport the nature of her powers allows her to teleport what she wants, theoretically there is nothing stopping her from targeting a head.

She she is not immune to it she has resistance the limits have yet to be tested. By your logic she should be fire proof, and she is not. Storm cannot stop a direct attack on her blood that can drop its temp to nearly absolute zero instantly.

As I said above I don't think you understand how his powers work. She can't prevent him from leaving the area because she is not a telepath. His physical body does not matter he can transfer his mind into any available water including the water in her body.

Storm does have a form of Tk/TP with weather though so....she probably could. I can't find the mist girl scan. When I do, I might post it.

#32 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4178 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

Although her powers are psionic in nature they are nothing like traditional tk, her connection to the elements is empathic and only allows her to sense the state of the area she is attuned with. Nothing suggests she can trap a mind. Bobby is not living water, his mind can inhabit water, so her connection to physical elements would not give her power over him in the way you are suggesting.

#33 Edited by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: she's never teleported body parts off of people.

She can and has teleported limbs off. Magus can rip apart stars with his bare hands. Magik teleports his limbs off...

How about setting up a new battle thread? Magneto and Storm vs Shaman X-man and Darkchilde? you cool with that? We can see how the votes go... There was a nice thread awhile back Thor and Doc Strange vs Nate and Magik. A Magneto and Storm tandem (as powerful as they are) simply can't stack up power wise to those characters.

#34 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden: she's never teleported body parts off of people.

She can and has teleported limbs off. Magus can rip apart stars with his bare hands. Magik teleports his limbs off...

How about setting up a new battle thread? Magneto and Storm vs Shaman X-man and Darkchilde? you cool with that? We can see how the votes go... There was a nice thread awhile back Thor and Doc Strange vs Nate and Magik. A Magneto and Storm tandem (as powerful as they are) simply can't stack up power wise to those characters.

Not exactly a person and we said Magik not Darkchilde....as she won't have time to transform into her.....I mean you can start a thread....won't change anything though. Rather people accept it or not, Storm and Magneto can easily take them two based off of their powers and history against such people.

#35 Posted by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

@darkraiden: she's never teleported body parts off of people.

She can and has teleported limbs off. Magus can rip apart stars with his bare hands. Magik teleports his limbs off...

How about setting up a new battle thread? Magneto and Storm vs Shaman X-man and Darkchilde? you cool with that? We can see how the votes go... There was a nice thread awhile back Thor and Doc Strange vs Nate and Magik. A Magneto and Storm tandem (as powerful as they are) simply can't stack up power wise to those characters.

Not exactly a person and we said Magik not Darkchilde....as she won't have time to transform into her.....I mean you can start a thread....won't change anything though. Rather people accept it or not, Storm and Magneto can easily take them two based off of their powers and history against such people.

How are Magik and Nate easy opponents for Storm and Magneto? Magik and Nate have more raw power, more versatile powers, better durability, both can heal, regen and both are physically superior and more mobile, etc....

#36 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

Day one: Get stomped by Phoenix

Day two: Get stomped by Martian Manhunter

It's also not really solo'ing when there's two of them, but the two of them do get solo'd in both the above scenarios.

#37 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

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@darkraiden: she's never teleported body parts off of people.

She can and has teleported limbs off. Magus can rip apart stars with his bare hands. Magik teleports his limbs off...

How about setting up a new battle thread? Magneto and Storm vs Shaman X-man and Darkchilde? you cool with that? We can see how the votes go... There was a nice thread awhile back Thor and Doc Strange vs Nate and Magik. A Magneto and Storm tandem (as powerful as they are) simply can't stack up power wise to those characters.

Not exactly a person and we said Magik not Darkchilde....as she won't have time to transform into her.....I mean you can start a thread....won't change anything though. Rather people accept it or not, Storm and Magneto can easily take them two based off of their powers and history against such people.

How are Magik and Nate easy opponents for Storm and Magneto? Magik and Nate have more raw power, more versatile powers, better durability, both can heal, regen and both are physically superior and more mobile, etc....

I've already explained. Both Storm and Magneto have great counters for TP and TK and have defeated people on Nate's level. Magik just has no answer to more brutal methods like being blood ripped and paralyzed and having her brain shut down.

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I've already explained. Both Storm and Magneto have great counters for TP and TK and have defeated people on Nate's level. Magik just has no answer to more brutal methods like being blood ripped and paralyzed and having her brain shut down.

Magik can heal, she also can teleport in an instant which would put her out of range from Magneto and Storm. She can attack from Limbo while they are on earth. She can teleport away while paralyzed. She has withstood direct blasts from beings more powerful like Legion. She can be anywhere in space, time and dimensions in milliseconds. Both Nate and Magik even have energy forms. For every brutal thing Mags and Storm can do both Nate and Magik can do it tenfold. They have way way more options at their disposal.

They have more one shot k.o options, they have a much bigger chance at evading and tanking Mags and Storm's attacks. You seriously think Storm and Magneto are in the same class as Nate and Magik power wise?

#39 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

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I've already explained. Both Storm and Magneto have great counters for TP and TK and have defeated people on Nate's level. Magik just has no answer to more brutal methods like being blood ripped and paralyzed and having her brain shut down.

Magik can heal, she also can teleport in an instant which would put her out of range from Magneto and Storm. She can attack from Limbo while they are on earth. She can teleport away while paralyzed. She has withstood direct blasts from beings more powerful like Legion. She can be anywhere in space, time and dimensions in milliseconds. Both Nate and Magik even have energy forms. For every brutal thing Mags and Storm can do both Nate and Magik can do it tenfold. They have way way more options at their disposal.

They have more one shot k.o options, they have a much bigger chance at evading and tanking Mags and Storm's attacks. You seriously think Storm and Magneto are in the same class as Nate and Magik power wise?

Storm has scattered energy forms like Stardust and has also taken on Legion. Magneto's forcefields will block any of their attacks, and if Magik runs to limbo, she lost by BFR

#40 Posted by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

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Storm has scattered energy forms like Stardust and has also taken on Legion. Magneto's forcefields will block any of their attacks, and if Magik runs to limbo, she lost by BFR

Where does it say there is no BFR? You have been talking about Magneto opening wormholes and sending Iceman to the sun. Magneto's force fields block spells and magic? Magik actually beat Legion ( not just face him), a Juggernaut, Dormmamu, Sy'm, Belasco, Amora, Mephisto, Doctor Strange w/o any plot device or amp one on one. No teammates as backup. She's also more ruthless and craftier she destroyed the Elder gods(beings above sky father levels) by going back in time and creating a chain of events that lead to their downfall. Storm isn't on Stardust's level. Magik is actually on the level of Dormmamu..

Nate can go to Plank time and envelope himself in psi-armor which can give him Hulk like strength and something similar to uber speed. He destroyed a continent in his sleep. On top of tanking blasts from planet busting character and other more exotic powers like turning invisible.

Also the Magneto vs Green Phoenix battle. A quote from lordofallhumans:

"Please us context when you say Magneto beat Phoenix before. Phoenix had placed blocks on her powers, and was only using a psionic output that rivaled Xavier when this happened. She also was only using physical attacks via TK and then he pulled off some one time trick that allowed him to siphon off her powers, and that was because under normal circumstances, under the umbrella of raw power, she was beating him."

#41 Edited by Roddy010 (5310 posts) - - Show Bio

No way in hell does Storm and Mags solo the entire roster of X-men, including Phoenix I & II, Hope, Nate, Legion, Meggan etc and most of the JLA solo so that's an obvious mismatch as well. However alpha levels like Magik and any elemental (omega or not) are vulnerable to their power. Both have defenses to Iceman's abilities and Magik's supposed FTL reflexes is inconsistent writing since she has never done it consitently nor has it ever been comfirmed. We even recently see her tagged by a laser gun adding to the number of other times she has been tagged by much slower attacks contradicting her FTL reflexes. Bobby may be immortal buthe still can be knocked out and much was shown recently in Avengers when Storm attacked him with lightning. I do agree they would definitely go down but Mags and Storm together should be a threat to the majority of the team.

#42 Edited by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

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Storm has scattered energy forms like Stardust and has also taken on Legion. Magneto's forcefields will block any of their attacks, and if Magik runs to limbo, she lost by BFR

Where does it say there is no BFR? You have been talking about Magneto opening wormholes and sending Iceman to the sun. Magneto's force fields block spells and magic? Magik actually beat Legion ( not just face him), a Juggernaut, Dormmamu, Sy'm, Belasco, Amora, Mephisto, Doctor Strange w/o any plot device or amp one on one. No teammates as backup. She's also more ruthless and craftier she destroyed the Elder gods(beings above sky father levels) by going back in time and creating a chain of events that lead to their downfall. Storm isn't on Stardust's level. Magik is actually on the level of Dormmamu..

Nate can go to Plank time and envelope himself in psi-armor which can give him Hulk like strength and something similar to uber speed. He destroyed a continent in his sleep. On top of tanking blasts from planet busting character and other more exotic powers like turning invisible.

Also the Magneto vs Green Phoenix battle. A quote from lordofallhumans:

"Please us context when you say Magneto beat Phoenix before. Phoenix had placed blocks on her powers, and was only using a psionic output that rivaled Xavier when this happened. She also was only using physical attacks via TK and then he pulled off some one time trick that allowed him to siphon off her powers, and that was because under normal circumstances, under the umbrella of raw power, she was beating him."

Storm's beaten Hulk like strength before....considering she beat Hulk. I don't remember Magik beating Legion or the Elder Gods. In fact, she got Legion to beat the Elder Gods for her. She beat Dormammu only and the rest only in Limbo. This isn't a fight in Limbo, if she goes there she lost by BFR. And yeah there is BFR which is why if she goes to an entirely different dimension, she loses. She's effectively running from the fight.

Magik can't touch Dormammu btw unless she's in Limbo.

#43 Edited by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

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Storm has scattered energy forms like Stardust and has also taken on Legion. Magneto's forcefields will block any of their attacks, and if Magik runs to limbo, she lost by BFR

Where does it say there is no BFR? You have been talking about Magneto opening wormholes and sending Iceman to the sun. Magneto's force fields block spells and magic? Magik actually beat Legion ( not just face him), a Juggernaut, Dormmamu, Sy'm, Belasco, Amora, Mephisto, Doctor Strange w/o any plot device or amp one on one. No teammates as backup. She's also more ruthless and craftier she destroyed the Elder gods(beings above sky father levels) by going back in time and creating a chain of events that lead to their downfall. Storm isn't on Stardust's level. Magik is actually on the level of Dormmamu..

Nate can go to Plank time and envelope himself in psi-armor which can give him Hulk like strength and something similar to uber speed. He destroyed a continent in his sleep. On top of tanking blasts from planet busting character and other more exotic powers like turning invisible.

Also the Magneto vs Green Phoenix battle. A quote from lordofallhumans:

"Please us context when you say Magneto beat Phoenix before. Phoenix had placed blocks on her powers, and was only using a psionic output that rivaled Xavier when this happened. She also was only using physical attacks via TK and then he pulled off some one time trick that allowed him to siphon off her powers, and that was because under normal circumstances, under the umbrella of raw power, she was beating him."

Storm's beaten Hulk like strength before....considering she beat Hulk. I don't remember Magik beating Legion or the Elder Gods. In fact, she got Legion to beat the Elder Gods for her. She beat Dormammu only and the rest only in Limbo. This isn't a fight in Limbo, if she goes there she lost by BFR. And yeah there is BFR which is why if she goes to an entirely different dimension, she loses. She's effectively running from the fight.

Magik can't touch Dormammu btw unless she's in Limbo.

A weaker version of her (not darkchilde) beat Mephisto and his hordes of demons in his own realm. (Were he is at the peak of his powers) This isn't in Limbo.

Scans not in order. sorry about that.

Were does it say she can't bring the battle to Limbo? It's totally in character for her to bring opponents there. She bring opponets to Limbo way more times then Magneto resorts to blood manipulating.

Get's inside Legion's head and starts killing of his different personalities

Here she manhandles a class 100 Sym who is immortal and almost impossible to kill on earth.

She also wrecked the new x-men on earth. Magik, while not being Hell Lord powerful on earth, still has a access to a ton of magic there. She did get Legion to beat the elder gods which displayed her craftiness since she manipulated everyone including the X-men. She is also more ruthless so she will hold back less in a random encounter. She also has access to more power on earth as well

She tanks a blast from Legion that sends her right through a a whole building w/o being in demon form and w/o armor. She has the strength to rip a giant sentinel apart with one blow on earth and she can heal regen from major damage.

She also has way more feats of avoiding getting hit then the other two. She is way more mobile.

You seriously think Storm and Magneto can beat a fully powered Nate Grey in a one on one forum battle?

Anyway, we are going in circles. I just don't really see how their top feats can compare with the one of the most powerful Hell Lords and powerhouse Nate who has been compared to Dark Phoenix. I clearly am missing something here, since I don't think they are as powerful as Thor or Hulk as well.

Apparently you do think the Storm and Magneto operates on high herald or even higher then herald levels.

#44 Posted by DarkRaiden (7700 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: You're mistakenly going for ABC logic when it doesn't apply. Cool Magik can get inside of Legion's head. Cool, she can tank a building busting attack, can regen, and can beat down Mephisto's hordes with a sword that specifically allows her to do that. Cool, she has feats here and feats there, but literally none of that protects her from getting a lightning bolt that paralyzes her and then one that shorts out her brain/synapses. Storm can do this in far less than a second. None of that protects her from blood rip. She simply has no answer.

Nate Grey hasn't shown anything impressive to me. His shield was broken by Hulk and TP and TK don't work well against Storm and Mags.

#45 Edited by THUNDERBOLT30 (10649 posts) - - Show Bio

How is this mismatch thread not locked yet...?

#46 Edited by chiq (1974 posts) - - Show Bio

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@chiq: You're mistakenly going for ABC logic when it doesn't apply. Cool Magik can get inside of Legion's head. Cool, she can tank a building busting attack, can regen, and can beat down Mephisto's hordes with a sword that specifically allows her to do that. Cool, she has feats here and feats there, but literally none of that protects her from getting a lightning bolt that paralyzes her and then one that shorts out her brain/synapses. Storm can do this in far less than a second. None of that protects her from blood rip. She simply has no answer.

Nate Grey hasn't shown anything impressive to me. His shield was broken by Hulk and TP and TK don't work well against Storm and Mags.

First of all Magik can teleport others and herself while paralyzed. She teleported away while she was being held by Jean's TK and TP. She also teleported herself and her team even when she was fuzed and trapped in stone by S'ym. She can heal from attacks while Magento and Storm can't. She has a much much bigger chance of surviving a hit then Erik or Storm since she has been hit by beings with more power then either of them.

Magik can teleport Storms head off in less then a second too. She can depower them as well and freeze them in place. She can turn them to dust or rip them apart and make them explode. Magik has a much bigger chance of evading Storm and Magneto then vice versa. She can teleport out of their range in a millisecond on top of having much greater durability plus healing factor. She is more mobile,she has better defenses and durability, she has greater range and a much more versatile powerset on top of more raw power. Magik doesnt need to see her targets to teleport them, she just has to think it. She can teleport Magento's and Storm's head off from Limbo or the outside the galaxy. She can go anywhere in space and time so that means her range is basically unlimited. She can dump them in the sun with a thought while being safely on the moon. She has teleported them out of harms way (blitzes and blasts) and she out reacted whole teams of x-men. Teleporting x-men out of trouble is what she does.

Nate and Magik have more options of surviving attacks from Storm or Magneto. Storm and Magneto have no chance surviving their heads teleported off or turned to dust by Nate's TK instantly. It's like saying Storm and Magneto beat Hela, Doc Strange, or a being on par with the most powerful heralds by manipulating their blood or hitting them with lighting. Magik can survive w/o having a soul. A little blood loss won't put her down especially since she can regen from getting ripped or shredded apart.

Magik and Nate deal with threats much bigger then Storm and Magneto all of who can easily replicate whatever Storm and Magneto do. Their rouges are insanely powered. Magik can warp reality and Nate is just a big powerhouse.

It's not abc logic since Magik and Nate face opponents and arch enemies who can do the same exact thing and do even more... much more. It's not like comparing a brick vs a speedster. Anything That Magneto and Storm can do their opponents can as well. They not only can they manipulate blood or use lightning, they can just turn other beings into toads and trap your soul. Dormammu tried to kill her with everything he had and failed. If Dormammu can't kill her, a Magik fighting to the best of her abilities won't be going down to Storm or Mags. Mags and Storm by themselves couldn't even put down her demon underlings during Inferno.

Here is the Demon Lord Belasco. He was Magik's mentor. She beat him when she was 7. She knows all his spells. It's stated in the scans below. She is a more powerful version of him.

Here is Belasco vs the New x-men:

Surge hits him w/ electricity similar to lightning, nothing. Elixir tries to kill him by turning his insides to goo (similar to a blood rip)...you can't kill the devil. X-23 slashes him, he simply heals. He fries x-23 to her bare bones overrides her healing factor and kills her then brings her back to life in an instant. The only thing that stops him is Pixies soul dagger which Magik made for her. All other attacks didn't work. He threatens to pull the Earth into Limbo. He actually does it later on. Doc Strange can't stop it.

Dormammu tries to kill Magik with everything he has and all he does is trigger the Darkchilde transformation

Forget it, if you honestly think Magneto and Storm out power and beat Nate and Magik be my guest. I'm done with this thread.

#47 Posted by Storm Calling (3613 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL! @ This thread...

#48 Posted by Rouflex (19243 posts) - - Show Bio

N0p3

#49 Posted by ZeroPlus (2291 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as i know MMH and Plastic man don't have blood, so i guess they stomp Magneto and Storm

#50 Posted by patrat18 (10162 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol not seeing how either Mags or Storm beat any Flash or Green Lantern.