@deathhero61: Dude you're comparing Skypiea Luffy to Post Timeskip Sanji. Sanji can one shot Pacifitas that almost defeated the entire Straw hat crew Pre Timeskip, including G2 Luffy, Asura Zoro, and Diable Jambe Sanji. The Pacifista was only beat because Usopp and Robin short circuited it. Sanji can easily beat Eneru.
Sasuke doesn't have Susanoo in this fight, so Sanji's extremely higher strength and speed would win.
Sigh..... sanji did not one shot the pacifista, both zoro and sanji did And it almost defeated the strawhat crew since it wouldn't go down. Thats it. I can honestly say sasuke can take down a pacifista.
You always say these baseless statements that pertain to powerscaling for one piece. Sanji from a following arc is not simply stronger than luffy just because skypiea was before current sanji.
Higher speed? hell no. Higher strength? sasuke is no weakling.
Sharigan makes it easy to fight sanji. Sanji is 100 percent close combat, having to fight a sharigan user is misfortune since sasuke can predict all his moves and counter his fighting style let alone copy it. Sasuke is a combat genius. Sanji ain't winning. Feats aren't everything.
@dbvse7 Taking away all forms of susano'o from sasuke is too big of a handicap IMO, with his durability he would arguably get OS if some of team 2 members tag him. At least give him the rib-cage version and No Amaterasu shield. Also doesn't Rufus ability only work on magic ? or is he allowed to use it on any supernatural attack because of the neutral ground ? If that's the case then Sasuke should also do the same.
@deathhero61 & @dbvse7 : You two should know how big of a sasuke fanboy I am by now, And I still don't think the sasuke in the OP could handle sanji... Now if he had susano'o and amaterasu shield probably, but without them ? Sanji would OS him. Genjutsu won't help him much since sanji has knowledge so he won't be looking him in the eyes, besides Kirin isn't an option is this fight, IIRC Enel's strongest bolt was 200 million volts, a regular bolt of lightning can reach 1 billion volts and Kirin is a massive nearly mountain sized bolt :
Copying his fighting style isn't a good idea, It has been a while since I last read One piece but from what I remember sanji is so much stronger and durable than sasuke it's not even funny... a casual kick from pre-skip sanji can do this
Using giant pieces of buildings as projectiles :
Deflecting attacks like this one :
And pre-skip sani couldn't even take down one pacifista with god knows how many kicks, Current sanji can arguably OS them.
I don't remember much about sanji's speed so maybe @anime2114 can post some scans ? (no Enel, too inconsistent to be taken seriously) but from what I remember he is fast enough to fly by kicking the air (a feat only 8 gates Gai achieved recently) and was fast enough to rash through water 10.000 meters under sea, attack the giant octopus and get back inside a bubble before the sea pressure crashed him. Add to that some OH and even sasuke would be in trouble since one hit is enough to lose while sasuke will have to hit sanji repeatedly.
Oh and He isn't bad with edged weapons lol
Anyway, for now I'm with team 2, since at worse the members only need to buy jiraya enough time to use Ma and Pa's genjutsu...
@nyas: And about what you said about Rufus.. What some people fail to realize is that what is done in Naruto is catagorized as magic NOW here me out.
Chakra everyone knows it's a life force/ Energy BUT what i've notice in both is one thing Magic Power and Chakra work the same way is Eternano (The chakra of the FTU) which is used in Magic Power (not "Magic") "Magic" in the FTU is like Ninjutsu Taijutsu and Genjutsu but in one word.
So let me break it down so it's easier to understand. Natsu uses a Fire Dragon fighting style that use Fire Dragon Spells.
Gaaras fighting style involves sand which he can utilize for Sand type Jutsu. It takes Chakra to do what Gaara does, the same way it takes Magic Power to perform the spells Natsu does.
Hands, Naruto and FT characters use their hands to use their spells and Jutsu (which are basically spells used it a different way except for Tai ofc.)
Eyes, Sharingan is one of MANY forms of Eye/Visual magic, in Anime/Manga, that goes without discussion. This includes the Eye/VisualMagic used by the Thunder God Tribe in FT.
I won't even go into Summonings.
You have to also realize not all Magic looks the same or is performed the same way. Btw.. this isn't an opinion lol.
Chakra is the is the molding of the physical energy present in every cell of the body and the spiritual energy gained from exercise and experience. And it has it's own circulating system :
So :
Anyway it would be good if that was actually the case, sasuke will soon get the rinnegan which means he will be soloing everyone here (since rinnegan can absorb any ninjutsu and you are saying magic is ninjutsu).
Ps: the video was just a joke don't take it seriously lol >.<"
Considering the pure nature of his ability he probably can copy ninjutsu. Think about it for a second, he uses his memory to mimic attacks right? Then what's stopping him from creating new magic based off what he sees from the ninjas?
Nope he can't copy ninjutsu, at best he can "mimic" the visual effect of some jutsus, like for example throw a giant ball of fire to make it look like he is using Gokakyu no jutsu, or cover his hand in lightening to make it look like he is using Chidori. But does that mean he copied the jutsu ? No !
And the reason is very simple : There is absolutely no guaranty Magic based fire would work the same way as Katon fire or be as strong just like Magic based lightening and Raiton thunder. Especially since Chakra elements are different from real ones.
Examples :
Katon - Dragon flame jutsu is so hot it can pierce giant trees (vs orochimaru) and shatter rocks (vs naruto), normal fire wouldn't do that :
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/46072/dragon-flame-jutsu-o.gif
Raiton - Just because Rufus can cover his hand in lightening doesn't mean he is using Chidori, because :
1) That lightening wouldn't give him a speed boost like Chidori does.
2) It wouldn't allow him to cut other metals like butter just by using it with a sword.
3) It wouldn't give him this much destructive potential :
And there are techniques Rufus just can't copy like : Rasengan and it's variations (since it's just a ball of spinning chakra), summoning jutsus etc.
Plus even if he cant copy the abilities he can still make a target forget their abilities.
There is no way Rufus can do all that as easily as you make it sound, there HAS to be a limitation or condition or something, because else the only way for him to lose would be massive PIS.
I checked the Wiki and it turns out I'm correct :
1) Rufus can't copy a spell used "smoothly" (What does that mean ?)
2) He has to take a certain pose to use a technique he copied.
3) He can't make his targets forget their techniques, he is the one who forgets them to make them ineffective against him.
4) He needs to copy a spell the give a verbal order to forget it.
5) He can only forget a technique he saw at least one.
Honestly, now I know Rufus is nowhere near as invicible as you made him seem... He can be dealt with just by breaking some of his bones to stop him from taking his stance, they can just crash his throat or break his jaw to stop him from giving his verbal order, or even better yet Sasuke can just copy his memory and forget magic, then forget them both. This way Rufus wouldn't be able to use them against him... And in a 1vs1 fight Sasuke should take this rather comfortably.
I was going to get into that but he wasn't feeling well haha wanted to give him a break.
Well thanks for being so considerate :P
Anyway, now that Enel has been replaced by Law, it's obvious team "Too much haxs" would take this.
@nyas: Laxus and the lightning user he stomped can match that easily with their lightning infused punches. Look man i really don't feel like posting a shitload of scans, rufus and gray's fight was in a single chapter. I'll give you a link for that.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c306/6.html
As for his other showings i'll give you scans.
See that? Its stated to be a magic that gives form to memories. That means he perfectly creates these techniques based on memory alone, that means he can mimic even its effects. Now to show you how much of an extent he takes his memory magic.
He can take the data he absorbed so far and use it to trace it back to his enemies.(like sticking a tracking device on a phone and you lose it, then you check your computer and it tells you where it is. something like that.) Then he creates a visual image decoy made from memory. Thats some ridiculous power.
And in case you are not convinced with the tracking thing. Here is a strategy meeting with mavis. Mavis herself the same bastard who single handed predicted everything the other teams were going to do effortlessly during the festival resulting in their wins. So we can take her words seriously.
By the way, he can make new types of powers by combining the memories he has.(you'll see that in the link i posted so i have no need to show scans.)
And how the hell does sasuke copy magic? memory make is purely creating magic out of memories, you cannot do that with ninjutsu or any form of Kekkei genka shown so far.
Plus im not sure if you know this but sasuke and rufus are on the same team lol.
That was an interesting post, unfortunately it just confirmed that Rufus is rather mediocre lol (calm down and hear me first)
Laxus and the lightning user he stomped can match that easily with their lightning infused punches.
If you can't show them using these punches to gain a speed boost, increase an attacks penetration, allow a sword to cut other swords effortlessly, disintegrate rocks and concrete walls without touching them etc Then it's not the same thing.
1)This part will be discussing Rufus' abilities in general :
First, the chapter you posted clearly confirms what I said.
1) Rufus can't copy a spell used "smoothly" (What does that mean ?)
I didn't know what smoothly meant from the wiki, but it's clear that if different spells are used in succession fast enough he can't copy or protect against them.
2) He has to take a certain pose to use a technique he copied.
This confirms that if they were to break a few of his bones he wouldn't be able to use his magic.
3) He can't make his targets forget their techniques, he is the one who forgets them to make them ineffective against him.
As these scans show he is the one who forgets the technique not Gray.
4) He needs to copy a spell then give a verbal order to forget it.
This scan showed him memorizing the technique before forgetting it, which means that unless he is fast enough he will still get hit by the technique. Also It's clear that he needs to Say "memorize" to learn a spell and say "forget" to make it ineffective :
This just proves that if his enemies can crush his throat or break his jaw, he would no longer be able to use his magic. (Too many options to deal with him if you ask me...)
5) He can only forget a technique he saw at least once.
The scans I posted above also confirm that he has to somehow survive the first use of that spell (dodge or something), before he can deal with it with his magic. (a luxury Jiraya or Sanji for example won't allow him).
See that? Its stated to be a magic that gives form to memories. That means he perfectly creates these techniques based on memory alone, that means he can mimic even its effects. Now to show you how much of an extent he takes his memory magic.
No it's stated he can only Copy magic not any form of technique and can combine the ones he learned to create new magic (More like new spells not Magic but meh)
The only reason we are supposing he can is, because the creator stated that : Powers are neutral.
2) In this fight :
And how the hell does sasuke copy magic? memory make is purely creating magic out of memories, you cannot do that with ninjutsu or any form of Kekkei genka shown so far.
The rules state powers are neutral which means jutsus and Magic are the same thing, if it wasn't for that Rufus would be able to copy just magic not any justu, but since Rufus is allowed here then Sasuke will be able to do the same, that's all.
Plus im not sure if you know this but sasuke and rufus are on the same team lol.
What the... ?! What kind of sorcery is this ?!
I would have sworn they were on opposite teams lol well I guess this just proves how bad of a shape I was in... >_<"
@dbvse7 Nope the funny thing is that I've already mentioned all the limitations his magic has. So can you point out which of these are wrong ?
1) Rufus can't copy a spell used "smoothly".
2) He has to take a certain pose to use a technique he copied.
3) He can't make his targets forget their techniques, he is the one who forgets them to make them ineffective against him.
4) He needs to copy a spell then give a verbal order to forget it.
5) He can only forget a technique he saw at least once.
1. You cannot send that back to me at all lol. There has been hax ability users like rufus in the naruto verse IIRC and i never seen a sharigan user copy their abilities.
2. I never meant to say martial art techniques and what not, so sorry if i confused you. By the way i forgot to add this scan. This scan goes with when he was blitzing everyone.
That means he can use recorded attacks. Think about how much of a factor that can play.
Yeah i remember one time he did that. And that was when he fought a bird on the giant's island lol.
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