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#1 Posted by Army2442 (1859 posts) - - Show Bio

Random encounter no prep

morals off

no gear, no weapons

location: abandoned football staduim

bfr is allowed

starting distance is 10 feet apart

which hulk smashes the other?

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#2 Posted by Nefarious (22905 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro would win. He is far more experienced.

#3 Posted by Army2442 (1859 posts) - - Show Bio

any takers?

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#4 Posted by PowerHerc (85336 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro destroys Rulk.

He remembers Rulk and his abilities, habits and flaws.

Maestro also remembers all the years Ross made his life miserable.

The Maestro shows no mercy. Rulk goes down hard!

#5 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

Maestro would win. He is far more experienced.
#6 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro

#7 Posted by ArturoCalaKayVee (12592 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Maestro destroys Rulk.

He remembers Rulk and his abilities, habits and flaws.

Maestro also remembers all the years Ross made his life miserable.

The Maestro shows no mercy. Rulk goes down hard!

Spoken like a true champ. Or should I say ..... a true Maestro? :P

#8 Edited by termiteone4ever (8001 posts) - - Show Bio

The Hulk thats suppose to be one of the strongest Hulk .Maestro

#9 Posted by Killemall (18607 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro FTW

#10 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Any reasons why Maestro should win it? 
Rulk already won with Hulk and gived a fight to Hulk who was in WWHulk level ATM. Did Maestro ever fought with so powerfull Hulk?

#11 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

Maestro is basicly any Hulk that ever existed on steroids and with eons of years in experience. Hence the name Maestro

#12 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

Maestro is basicly any Hulk that ever existed on steroids and with eons of years in experience. Hence the name Maestro

But You don't know his power level. Hulk's strength level changes, so it doesn't mean that if he is experienced Hulk he have to be WB one.
#13 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

Maestro is basicly any Hulk that ever existed on steroids and with eons of years in experience. Hence the name Maestro

But You don't know his power level. Hulk's strength level changes, so it doesn't mean that if he is experienced Hulk he have to be WB one.

I dont know his power level objectively, no. But he is the strongest hulk EVER. he is basicly a hulk who lived for years and after nuclears war happened on earth (or something like that) his gamma powers got even stronger. He also has a genius intellect. He is basicly stronger, smarter, and more experienced than any other Hulk. But you can just wait for someone more into the subject to get here and show scans/feats/more info. Im not an expert when it comes to Maestro

#14 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

Maestro is basicly any Hulk that ever existed on steroids and with eons of years in experience. Hence the name Maestro

But You don't know his power level. Hulk's strength level changes, so it doesn't mean that if he is experienced Hulk he have to be WB one.

I dont know his power level objectively, no. But he is the strongest hulk EVER. he is basicly a hulk who lived for years and after nuclears war happened on earth (or something like that) his gamma powers got even stronger. He also has a genius intellect. He is basicly stronger, smarter, and more experienced than any other Hulk. But you can just wait for someone more into the subject to get here and show scans/feats/more info. Im not an expert when it comes to Maestro

I've just have seen his battles with Hulk in YT. 
1.It doesn't seem to be any other than Prof Hulk.
2.It was said in his bioses that he is 2 times stronger than calm Hulk, then he strength grows. This would mean that he is like Abomination combined with Prof Hulk.
Abo already - pretty easily - losed to Rulk. I don't see this fight ending in different way.
3.Hulk still was a good opponent for him.
4.Maestro abosrbed more radiation, that is why he was more powerfull.
#15 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

does Abomination have the same intellect and experience as Maestro??

#16 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

does Abomination have the same intellect and experience as Maestro??

No, but it wouldn't mean too much IMO. 
Beast is much more inteligent than Cage, but Cage would still crush him. It would rather matter with prep.
#17 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

it matters in battle, tactics wise. And Maestro knows the Rulk. He has info on him and remembers him. So he knows Rulk has a limit to his strength and that if he gets mad, he loses power.

#18 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

it matters in battle, tactics wise. And Maestro knows the Rulk. He has info on him and remembers him. So he knows Rulk has a limit to his strength and that if he gets mad, he loses power.

You are confused, Lyra was losing strength, not Rulk. Rulk is getting hotter. So his knowledge about Rulk would only tell him, that he won't win against Red Hulk.
#19 Posted by CrazyBuffalo (155 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

it matters in battle, tactics wise.

In all fairness, Rulk is a master strategist. I doubt there is much that Maestro can do to "out strategize" him, so to speak.

#20 Posted by TheSpiritStalker (2092 posts) - - Show Bio

I would say Maestro because Rulk can be beaten by normal hulk

#21 Posted by Army2442 (1859 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheSpiritStalker: He beat modern hulk though is alot more powerful then he was in the past, plus hulk simply played on his weakness the second fight. I doubt ross would make the same mistake twice.

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#22 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: @CrazyBuffalo:

Czarny - Red hulk gets weaker if he gets too hot. So if he gets too mad, he overheats, and loses energy, therefore strenght

CrazyBuff - This isnt regular hulk, I know Ross is a master tactician, but what Im trying to say is that Maestro is also really good. When you put his experience and power together with that, I put my bet on Maestro

#23 Posted by Army2442 (1859 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: Rulk arguably has the initial strength advantage which he demonstrated against abomination who has similar strength to maestro.

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#24 Posted by SlimJ87D (10741 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442 said:

@Jorgevy: Rulk arguably has the initial strength advantage which he demonstrated against abomination who has similar strength to maestro.

No...

#25 Posted by svtballa (287 posts) - - Show Bio

didnt maestro beat or stalemate warior maddness thor?

#26 Posted by Vermillo (52 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm...I have to say Maestro because no matter how you put it Maestro been a Hulk longer then Rulk. Meaning experience top skill. Also after Rulk first win against the Hulk he los 3 times to him. 1 when Savage Hulk made Rulk overheat. 2 as banner when he made him absorb the negative. 3 and finally as Hulk again in WWH aftermath. Also Maestro is merciless.

#27 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

@Army2442 said:

@Jorgevy: Rulk arguably has the initial strength advantage which he demonstrated against abomination who has similar strength to maestro.

No...

THIS. Also, even if Rulk had initial advantage, Maestro can still get stronger, by getting angrier, Rulk cant and if he gets angry he might actually lose strenght.

And I think Maestro has higher durability than the other hulks and (Im not sure, this maybe be wrong but) he is trained in a few if not a lot of alien martial arts/combat.

#28 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio

Rulk has a higher base strength and he can just drain mastros radiation with pis/wis off...Rulk wins.

#29 Posted by Army2442 (1859 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: cant rulk just absorb his radiation to gain the advantage.

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#30 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@Army2442:

Maestro can also absorb radiation, so.....

#31 Posted by Deranged Midget (17968 posts) - - Show Bio

Maestro easily outmatches Rulk in strength, durability, intellect and experience. Rulk was already handled by the current Banner.

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#32 Posted by karrob (4264 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Maestro destroys Rulk.

He remembers Rulk and his abilities, habits and flaws.

Maestro also remembers all the years Ross made his life miserable.

The Maestro shows no mercy. Rulk goes down hard!

#33 Posted by bigsoto74 (216 posts) - - Show Bio

Could Maestro beat WWHulk?

#34 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666: @CrazyBuffalo:

Czarny - Red hulk gets weaker if he gets too hot. So if he gets too mad, he overheats, and loses energy, therefore strenght

Can You give me an example of Rulk getting weak because of his "fire"-power?
 
@Deranged Midget said:

Maestro easily outmatches Rulk in strength, durability, intellect and experience. Rulk was already handled by the current Banner.


What proves that he outmaches Rulk in anything? Rulk defeated stronger version of Hulk than Maestro did. He also defeated other heroes and villains in opposite to Maestro.
#35 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk found out that rulk would get hotter and not stronger, so he used it to beat him Hulk #6 "blood red"

#36 Posted by Deranged Midget (17968 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666: @CrazyBuffalo:

Czarny - Red hulk gets weaker if he gets too hot. So if he gets too mad, he overheats, and loses energy, therefore strenght

Can You give me an example of Rulk getting weak because of his "fire"-power?

@Deranged Midget said:

Maestro easily outmatches Rulk in strength, durability, intellect and experience. Rulk was already handled by the current Banner.

What proves that he outmaches Rulk in anything? Rulk defeated stronger version of Hulk than Maestro did. He also defeated other heroes and villains in opposite to Maestro.

The Hulk that Rulk fought was simply a Savage Hulk. Maestro fought a Hulk on the same level and overpowered him with overwhelming ease and proceeded to snap his neck.

You talk as if Rulk rumbled with WWH.

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#37 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio
@Deranged Midget said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666: @CrazyBuffalo:

Czarny - Red hulk gets weaker if he gets too hot. So if he gets too mad, he overheats, and loses energy, therefore strenght

Can You give me an example of Rulk getting weak because of his "fire"-power?

@Deranged Midget said:

Maestro easily outmatches Rulk in strength, durability, intellect and experience. Rulk was already handled by the current Banner.

What proves that he outmaches Rulk in anything? Rulk defeated stronger version of Hulk than Maestro did. He also defeated other heroes and villains in opposite to Maestro.

The Hulk that Rulk fought was simply a Savage Hulk. Maestro fought a Hulk on the same level and overpowered him with overwhelming ease and proceeded to snap his neck.

You talk as if Rulk rumbled with WWH.

Rulk only loss to ww incarnation at the end of fall of the hulks. He beat the savage one in quite a few encounters. Mastro has only beaten professor hulk which doesn't say much. Rulk absorbs his radiation like he did to savage hulk.
#38 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

sorry but Rulk cant do that anymore and Maestro can absorb radiation too.

#39 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@jashro44:

sorry but Rulk cant do that anymore and Maestro can absorb radiation too.

When did rulk lose that ability and when did mastro ever absorb radiation from hulk? Issue references or scans of both please?
#40 Posted by AssertingValor (5456 posts) - - Show Bio

Mastro scans?.................

#41 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44:

Im not sure but I think it was the Scorched Earth arc. I'll look for them

#42 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Jorgevy said:

@jashro44:

Im not sure but I think it was the Scorched Earth arc. I'll look for them

1.He didn't lose them. Banner lied to him, because if Ross would use it more times there will be a chance that he won't be able to change into human again.
2.Meastro can absorb radiation - Rulk can drain it from others.
3.Rulk won with Abomination, Hulk, A-Bomb, Thing, She-Hulk, Cosmic Hulk (this robot that won with Rulk and A-Bomb in first round), caused massive earthquake, fought with WWHulk and Red She-Hulk (IDK that there ever was an outcome). All of it outside of his PIS activity in fights with Watcher, Grandmaster, OF Thor and some version of Surfer. 
Maestro won with Hulk. 
Sorry, but it is hard for me to belive that Maestro - based on this one feat - is better than Rulk. A specially that Rulk's base strength has to be much higher than Abomination strength, a specially that he can start earthquakes with his strength.
#43 Posted by jashro44 (25422 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael666: So ross still has the ability but he thinks he doesn't? Can rulk absorb the radiation? I agree with the rest of what you said though.
#44 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

You are probably right, I must have misread that.

Still, Rulk has a limit to his powers, and if he overheats, kaput.

And Maestro absorbs radiation - Rulk releases radiation as he fights due to his temperature. Also, I know there's few feats to go along with, but Maestro IS Hulk from many years into the future, who absorbed imense amount of radiation and even turned evil (Banner states that because he is evil, he might even be stronger than if he was good)

Sorry, if I dont have many feats to go along but hey........

#45 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@jashro44 said:
@czarny_samael666: So ross still has the ability but he thinks he doesn't? Can rulk absorb the radiation? I agree with the rest of what you said though.
Now he again know about it. 
 
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

You are probably right, I must have misread that.

Still, Rulk has a limit to his powers, and if he overheats, kaput.

And Maestro absorbs radiation - Rulk releases radiation as he fights due to his temperature. Also, I know there's few feats to go along with, but Maestro IS Hulk from many years into the future, who absorbed imense amount of radiation and even turned evil (Banner states that because he is evil, he might even be stronger than if he was good)

Sorry, if I dont have many feats to go along but hey........


I understand Your point, but absorbing < drainning, because if You can drain Your enemies, You can affect them without their permision/will to use their powers.
If You only can absorb, then You have to wait for certain circumstances to boost Your own stats. 
 
My point is that none of them will really use any of this powers (even while Maestro, like Hulk can only absorb certain type of radiation - gamma), Maestro is still only as strong at the start as Abomination. WWHulk is much above that and Red Hulk didn't lost with him in stomp. Rulk proved that he can take that strong enemy, which lead us to one question: Can he take Maestro before Maestro will turn into WWHulk? 
I belive he can, mostly based on his fight with A-Bomb. Besides, Hulk never - in 50 years of his apperances - turn into WWHulk, he only two times completly lost his mind. Once against Avengers (stopped - not defeated - by Thor) and once against Onslaught. Second one doesn't count, since it was Jean doing, not Hulk's anger. 
 
Ergo: 
1.I don't see a too big chance for Maestro turning into WWHulk version, even if they would fight for days.
2.Red Hulk IMO - I hope that in Yours too - that he is much stronger than Abomination. Since his strength don't increase, all his feats can be repeat by Ross from the start of battle. This means that in start Rulk should be much stronger and more durable than Maestro.
#46 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

I agree with the Rulk being stronger than Abom, but Maestro's psychological status is much different than Hulk's. Banner said he could become stronger (angrier) easily, because he was evil and had psychological problems or whatever. So I think he could much more easily achieve WW Hulk's strenght than any other Hulk counterpart.

Also, Rulk can drain, but as he drains, as he does anything at ALL, he emits gamma radiation (among other) which makes Maestro stronger too. And since Maestro knows Rulk, because of his memories, he would know to make him enrage quick enough to overheat. Maestro has previous knowledge on Rulk but Rulk doesnt have on Maestro.

#47 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

I always thought Maestro was far stronger than Hulk...

#48 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@_Black said:

I always thought Maestro was far stronger than Hulk...

2 times, like Abomination.
 
@Jorgevy said:

@czarny_samael666:

I agree with the Rulk being stronger than Abom, but Maestro's psychological status is much different than Hulk's. Banner said he could become stronger (angrier) easily, because he was evil and had psychological problems or whatever. So I think he could much more easily achieve WW Hulk's strenght than any other Hulk counterpart.

Also, Rulk can drain, but as he drains, as he does anything at ALL, he emits gamma radiation (among other) which makes Maestro stronger too. And since Maestro knows Rulk, because of his memories, he would know to make him enrage quick enough to overheat. Maestro has previous knowledge on Rulk but Rulk doesnt have on Maestro.


1.We can't clarify this, which is a point for Rulk, because Rulk has feats that prove his status.
2.Maestro can do it as much as Hulk. And Hulk was defeated in this way. Since he isn't WWHulk, his energy reserves doesn't seem to be over Rulk abilities.
#49 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666:

it could be PIS but Hulk defeat Rulk in the scans I showed using the overheating strategy. But since its hard to tell because of the lack of feats, I propose we call it a draw. I cant really be convinced that Rulk would win, but Im not that entirely sure that Maestro would. We just dont have that many Maestro feats and Rulk is also relatively new to Marvel so..... I think we should call this off :D

#50 Posted by _Black (2302 posts) - - Show Bio

@czarny_samael666: I thought even stronger than that. But I can't prove it so the point is moot.