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#1 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio

I think marvel will treat this battle since madelyne seem to fight against x-men. Would maddy can defeat Emma Frost?
Keep in mind that madelyne is the most dangerous piece of Jean : her darkness.

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#2 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

NO!




...yes
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#3 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"Maddie has never been that telepathically adept, but she has always had impressive defense against it coupled with the raw power she gets from the Grey genome, plus a telekinetic wrath that Jean was usually too refined to show, she could very well beat the diamond encrusted crap out of Emma."
Didn't she show her telepathically power in inferno and current x-men issue?
#4 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too.

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#5 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too."

But maddy have telekinesis power which consider on par with jean...or more powerful because of her evil personality.
#6 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio
spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too."

But maddy have telekinesis power which consider on par with jean...or more powerful because of her evil personality."
What will it do to Emma....
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#7 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

throw her against a wall

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#8 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"throw her against a wall"
Yea...that's gonna work..
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#9 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

LOLOLOLOL

EMMA
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#10 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too."

But maddy have telekinesis power which consider on par with jean...or more powerful because of her evil personality."
What will it do to Emma...."
Well.....jean can hold at least 100 ton without phoenix....how much emma can hold if she will change diamond form? 
#11 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio

that's phoenix, not jean, doesn't count

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#12 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"Jean showed that Emma in diamond form is not proof against her telepathy, Emma was diamond when Jean began her telepathic rumage through Emmas mind, Emma tried to reinforce this and was asked if she thought she could protect herself against this, she couldn't.  A telekinetic on par with Jean need only to find Emmas flaw."
Um.....isn't jean phoenix int that time? Of course, It's her own power, not phoenix. But without phoenix help, she can still use such that power?
#13 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio
spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too."

But maddy have telekinesis power which consider on par with jean...or more powerful because of her evil personality."
What will it do to Emma...."
Well.....jean can hold at least 100 ton without phoenix....how much emma can hold if she will change diamond form? "
I think about 50 tons.I'm not sure though.
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#14 Posted by Queen Kong (1603 posts) - - Show Bio

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
snorefest

#15 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"spekqj said:
"Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too."

But maddy have telekinesis power which consider on par with jean...or more powerful because of her evil personality."
What will it do to Emma...."
Well.....jean can hold at least 100 ton without phoenix....how much emma can hold if she will change diamond form? "
I think about 50 tons.I'm not sure though."

I heard Emma's power uneven, didn't she? well...if we consider her power is aobut 50 tons, Madelyne can resist emma's diamod form. And i think jean(also madelyne) can manipulate object in near molecular level....but i am not sure.
#16 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio
Queen Kong said:
"ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
snorefest"

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#17 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm thinking Maddie

#18 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"I'm thinking Maddie"
Could you explain why maddie win?
#19 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio
spekqj said:
"Nobody said:
"I'm thinking Maddie"
Could you explain why maddie win?"
Well, I think Maddie could over power Emma if she is out of her diamond form. Then if she is in Diamond form, Maddie could just bash her around with TK. Eventually Maddie could wear her down.
#20 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
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#21 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"
Doesn't Maddie have telepathy?
#22 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"

But maddie also have telepathy. I don't know how much she strong in telepathy. But even emma didn't sense where is maddie. And you know empath is strong telepathy, but he is also controled by maddie. 
#23 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"

then Maddie uses her telepathy says not then uses her telekinesis and says shatter


Emma shatters"
no
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#24 Posted by Queen Kong (1603 posts) - - Show Bio
pixelized said:
"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"

then Maddie uses her telepathy says not then uses her telekinesis and says shatter


Emma shatters"
no"
Good Answer,Good Answer (crowd voice)
#25 Posted by pixelized (62882 posts) - - Show Bio
Queen Kong said:
"pixelized said:
"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"

then Maddie uses her telepathy says not then uses her telekinesis and says shatter


Emma shatters"
no"
Good Answer,Good Answer (crowd voice)"
ROFLMAO
ROFLMAO

Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"yeah that's exactly right, Emma ain't on the same level as a Jean clone, and if she is it's PIS.  Maddie seduced all of New York when her power was unleased during Inferno."
And emma used her telepathy to invite every mutant in the world to San Fran
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#26 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4760 posts) - - Show Bio
spekqj said:
"

I think marvel will treat this battle since madelyne seem to fight against x-men. Would maddy can defeat Emma Frost?
Keep in mind that madelyne is the most dangerous piece of Jean : her darkness.

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Mud wrestling match?
#27 Posted by IcePrince_X (4849 posts) - - Show Bio

I will give it to the Goblin Queen... Maddie...she is too powerful for Emma.

Remember it was Jean who fused Emma's diamond body.

#28 Posted by Vance Astro (91112 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"pixelized said:
"Queen Kong said:
"pixelized said:
"Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"pixelized said:
"Emma uses her telepathy on Maddie... "Sleep"

Maddie falls asleep
"

then Maddie uses her telepathy says not then uses her telekinesis and says shatter


Emma shatters"
no"
Good Answer,Good Answer (crowd voice)"
ROFLMAO
ROFLMAO

Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"yeah that's exactly right, Emma ain't on the same level as a Jean clone, and if she is it's PIS.  Maddie seduced all of New York when her power was unleased during Inferno."
And emma used her telepathy to invite every mutant in the world to San Fran
"

there are only like 300 mutants in the world now, New York has and had millions."
Maybe if your counting MUTATES...there is only 198 mutants in the world now.
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#29 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio

Even less now that some have died.

#30 Posted by Gloom (3653 posts) - - Show Bio

But weren't the 198 mutants that Emma invited to San Fran scattered worldwide as opposed to gathered in New York (which would still prove as quite a feat)?

#31 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

emma frost wins simply cus she's an extreamly adept telepath inless goblen queen took levels in ninja and sneak attacks her with a bag of devouring then emma will make her think she's a book being read by a retarded ilierate dog.

#32 Edited by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"emma frost wins simply cus she's an extreamly adept telepath inless goblen queen took levels in ninja and sneak attacks her with a bag of devouring then emma will make her think she's a book being read by a retarded ilierate dog."
Not really. I think that Emma could win for the same reason that she beat Rachel. Skill beats power. I just don't think it would be an easy win for Emma.

Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"

the 198 are the mutants that live at the X-mansion.

"
Not all the mutants went to the mansion. And Cerebra is what stated that there were less than 200, not the government. One mutant has been born, but there are some that have died since then as well.
#33 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"kaino12 said:
"emma frost wins simply cus she's an extreamly adept telepath inless goblen queen took levels in ninja and sneak attacks her with a bag of devouring then emma will make her think she's a book being read by a retarded ilierate dog."
Not really. I think that Emma could win for the same reason that she beat Rachel. Skill beats power. I just don't think it would be an easy win for Emma.

Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"

the 198 are the mutants that live at the X-mansion.

"
Not all the mutants went to the mansion. And Cerebra is what stated that there were less than 200, not the government. One mutant has been born, but there are some that have died since then as well.
"

i think inless emma is caught off gaurd she has the power and skill to beat her outright.
and dont forget many mutants have been brought back to life.
#34 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know what you are getting at with the mutants being brought back to life part. I also very much doubt that Emma could beat Maddy outright. If you think that she could, list some telepathic battles that would prove that.

#35 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"I don't know what you are getting at with the mutants being brought back to life part. I also very much doubt that Emma could beat Maddy outright. If you think that she could, list some telepathic battles that would prove that."
magneto has been brought back to life as josph.
and psiblast psi beam mind control and emma has dimand form where shes tougher then collosus and she is immnune to telepthy in dimond form.
#36 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Joseph = clone
  • If Emma goes diamond, she will not be able to touch Madelyne
If Emma goes diamond, it would stalemate the fight.
#37 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"
  • Joseph = clone
  • If Emma goes diamond, she will not be able to touch Madelyne
If Emma goes diamond, it would stalemate the fight."

well at that point it would depend on wether or not there are other people around i think it would be fun for emma to throw other people at her plus keep in mind maddie is suiciedle (sp?) all it takes is a few implanted memories and she kills herself.
#38 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio

Madelyne isn't suicidal. She is crazy and wants revenge. She was willing to die to get that revenge in Inferno. She also seems to be placed in Uncanny to be the big boss villain, so she likely has more abilities at her disposal now. I imagine she is going to be a threat for the entire team.

#39 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"Madelyne isn't suicidal. She is crazy and wants revenge. She was willing to die to get that revenge in Inferno. She also seems to be placed in Uncanny to be the big boss villain, so she likely has more abilities at her disposal now. I imagine she is going to be a threat for the entire team."

ur right my bad. but emma is a really good telepath and proably could make her suicidal. and sh eis back now cable remade her. not sure on her powers.
#40 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

Goblin Queen for the phone-in victory. Her TK would tear Emma apart, even in diamond form. If Storm thinks she can shatter Emma with a pole and some wind, Emma is in some serious trouble against a telekinetic as powerful as Maddie.

#41 Posted by phoenixphreek (30 posts) - - Show Bio

maddey's got it.

#42 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her.

#43 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her."
She almost literally IS Jean Grey, actually. What with the being a clone and all. They have the same genes, and thus, the same power set. She could easily use her TK to rip Emma apart. Imagine, if you will, a chandelier made of tiny slivers of Frost diamonds.
#44 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"kaino12 said:
"keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her."
She almost literally IS Jean Grey, actually. What with the being a clone and all. They have the same genes, and thus, the same power set. She could easily use her TK to rip Emma apart. Imagine, if you will, a chandelier made of tiny slivers of Frost diamonds."
I don't know why people think jean's tk is less than nothing if she is not phoenix. Pure jean grey is still powerful tk to hold about 100 ton and manipulate object near molecular level. And Maddie's tk can manipulate reality in limited area altough maddie was goblin queen in that time.
#45 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio
Korg said:
"kaino12 said:
"keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her."
She almost literally IS Jean Grey, actually. What with the being a clone and all. They have the same genes, and thus, the same power set. She could easily use her TK to rip Emma apart. Imagine, if you will, a chandelier made of tiny slivers of Frost diamonds."
She also has Jean's psyche, just the dark side of it. So she is in all senses, Jean.
#46 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
erik said:
"Korg said:
"kaino12 said:
"keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her."
She almost literally IS Jean Grey, actually. What with the being a clone and all. They have the same genes, and thus, the same power set. She could easily use her TK to rip Emma apart. Imagine, if you will, a chandelier made of tiny slivers of Frost diamonds."
She also has Jean's psyche, just the dark side of it. So she is in all senses, Jean."
1 what makes a person a person is there choices her choices were not the choices of jean she is not jean.
2 she had not mastered the subtleties of her tk like jean had she can not effect things on a molocular level.
3 mind wipe maddie would forget she even had powers to begin with.
#47 Posted by Erik (31604 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"erik said:
"Korg said:
"kaino12 said:
"keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have the phoenix here tk isent that powerful she can throw her around but it wouldent hurt her."
She almost literally IS Jean Grey, actually. What with the being a clone and all. They have the same genes, and thus, the same power set. She could easily use her TK to rip Emma apart. Imagine, if you will, a chandelier made of tiny slivers of Frost diamonds."
She also has Jean's psyche, just the dark side of it. So she is in all senses, Jean."
1 what makes a person a person is there choices her choices were not the choices of jean she is not jean.
2 she had not mastered the subtleties of her tk like jean had she can not effect things on a molocular level.
3 mind wipe maddie would forget she even had powers to begin with."
I see you want to go a few rounds. Ok then:
1. That is true, Madelyne is a physical copy of Jean and has Jean's consciousness. That being said, who is to say that Jean would not have made the very same choices had she lived Madelyne's life.
2. Did you ever read X-Man?
3. Emma will not be able to do that. She couldn't even tell she was in the same room as Madelyne. 
#48 Posted by Orin.s_lightning (3 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too. "

OMG where do you people get this crap from. In who's world was Emma frost ever more powerful than any telepath? Okay for some flash back information (forthose of you who can't remember or never read the inferno) Madelyne Pryor turned New York City into a literal hell on earth. During this time Emma was a member of the Hellfire club (as was selene Magneto and Sebastian Shaw) they were nearly killed by Madelyne minions. Now Madelyne has been greatly depowered. As a telepath she was never very skilled or experienced with her telepathic powers, but she was psi-vamp who could drain the psionic energies from other mutants, and this would include telepaths. Madelyne also has the telekinesis in her favor, and all Emma has is a Diamond form, with latent inactive telekinetic potential. In short Madelyne would whoop Emma.
#49 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (9989 posts) - - Show Bio

 

@Orin.s_lightning said:
"
@Vance Astro said:
"Emma Frost..Immune to TP in Diamond form and is alot stronger too. "
OMG where do you people get this crap from. In who's world was Emma frost ever more powerful than any telepath? Okay for some flash back information (forthose of you who can't remember or never read the inferno) Madelyne Pryor turned New York City into a literal hell on earth. During this time Emma was a member of the Hellfire club (as was selene Magneto and Sebastian Shaw) they were nearly killed by Madelyne minions. Now Madelyne has been greatly depowered. As a telepath she was never very skilled or experienced with her telepathic powers, but she was psi-vamp who could drain the psionic energies from other mutants, and this would include telepaths. Madelyne also has the telekinesis in her favor, and all Emma has is a Diamond form, with latent inactive telekinetic potential. In short Madelyne would whoop Emma. "


LOL....I agree....Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths on earth but if she took on Medelyne one-on-one, it would be a massacre ( and not in Emma's favor)

#50 Posted by Orin.s_lightning (3 posts) - - Show Bio

 

Erik said:
kaino12 said: "erik said: "Korg said: "kaino12 said: "keep in mind maddie is not jean grey she does not have ... [more]


 

I am glad you said that.

1: madelyne was never trained as a telepath, she is completely self learned in her telepathy. When Xavier tried to red her mind (before she was even aware she had psyhic powers) she was invisable to him. He couldn't even penetrate her subconscious psychic barriers. Though she had no psychic training the backlash of her psychic energies killed the psi-who tried to torture her. She also battled with Tessa (A very skilled telepath once upon a time) and nearly killed her. The wripples from her psion energy were enough to make every psi on the planet feel it. She may not have been rained but she was more than capable with her telepathic powers

2:Madelyne battled both nate and Jean grey and she smashed on both of them, she took jean grey down then took all of nates telekinesis away with little effort, this was all shortly after her battle with threnody which she masacred.

3: madelyne is a psionic entity. She is living psionic energy, how would you mind whipe her. Further more, when was the last time Emma battled another telepath other than Rachel (and that battle was totally rigged) every time Emma has ever battled jean on a telepathic level she has be raped with no lube. Now madelyne has defeated every person she has been in a battle with except Stryfe (people like to claim that she was defeated by jean but in truth it was the phoenix force that saved Jean that day) Madelyne's track record  Jean, nate, scribe, mount joy, tessa, miss steed, selene, trevor fitzroy, Holocaust, and even madame sanctity was afraid of her. You mentioned mindwiping like it's an easy thing to do. Such a violent psionic attack is a double edged sword, lest we forget Xavier and Magneto (Onslaught) Emma would end up just like the first psi who tried to mind wipe madelyne....dead.