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#1 Edited by generator2000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: To the death. Who wins?

#2 Posted by NighThunder (2837 posts) - - Show Bio

specify who is emperorer

#3 Posted by Cjdavis103 (8573 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by generator2000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10269 posts) - - Show Bio

lolmeteor?

#7 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious stomps

#8 Edited by generator2000 (1012 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Edited by Jgames (1618 posts) - - Show Bio

Is this edo, bc IDK how palpatine going to kill him, although he have TP which should be enough to beat him but not kill him

#10 Posted by Nefarious (18674 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

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#11 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

Sidious can warp it away with a Force Storm.

#12 Edited by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10269 posts) - - Show Bio

@nefarious said:

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

Sidious can warp it away with a Force Storm.

How fast can he do that cuz second meteor

#13 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

Can I have feats for Madara?

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

As mentioned before, it might be possible for a Wormhole to BFR it. Also, even if Palpatine dies, he will retain his essence, and I'm not sure if Madara can harm him.

#14 Posted by ComicStooge (11991 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

@nefarious said:

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

Sidious can warp it away with a Force Storm.

How fast can he do that cuz second meteor

As fast as his near-relativistic reflexes allow him to. Anyway, it's not as if he can't leave it open. Palpatine has precognition with the Force, so he'd see it coming.

#15 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think I can get involved, as of my ignorance in regards to Madara Uchicha - but I can leave behind Palpatine's feats:

Palpatine is fighting faster than Anakin can see (Anakin has dodged Lightning and has demonstrated sub-light reaction speeds):

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

He appears to wield countless blades to Darth Maul:

Sidious raised his saber and flew at Maul, who parried desperately, his mechanical legs whirring as he sought to counter his former Master’s blows. Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.

Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor.

Source: Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

He kills three masters before Windu knows what has happened:

Before Mace realizes what has happened, Kolar, Tiin, and Fisto have fallen to Sidious's blade.

Source: The Complete Visual Dictionary

He bends Windu's saber with Lightning, stopping short of killing him in order to fake weakness and lure Anakin to the Dark Side. Proof he could have easily killed Windu at any instance:

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine overwhelms Yoda's Force Deflection/Absorption:

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness. Then there were only the two of them. Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine destroys a small army with a burst of Lightning:

He is the only being who can create Wormholes, and they destroy the surfaces of planets, annihilate fleets and transport beings across the galaxy:

He has mastered all known Force techniques and invented new ones at his leisure:

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

Source: Dark Empire Sourcebook

Palpatine's essence returns from the void by the sheer force of will alone:

Palpatine's body was destroyed. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take up residence in his clone body.

Credit to Silver2467

Source: Gamer #5

His mind was unreadable to Plagueis (before he even had training in the Force) and later to Shaak Ti and Vima-Da-Boda:

The fact that Palpatine was flustered, confused, possibly frightened was obvious. But when Shaak Ti attempted to read him through the Force, she found it difficult to get a sense of what he was truly feeling.

Source: Labyrinth of Evil

They got up from the bench and began to amble back toward the university complex. Plagueis submerged himself deeply in the Force to study Palpatine, but he was unable to glean very much. Humans were difficult to read in the easiest of cases, and Palpatine’s mind was awash in conflict. So much going on in that small brain, Plagueis told himself. So much emotional current and self-interest. So unlike the predictable, focused intellects of the Outer Rim sentients, especially the hive-minded among them.

There it was again, Plagueis thought: the deceptive cadence; the use of flattery, charm, and self-effacement as if rapier feints in a duel. The need to be seen as guileless, unassuming, empathetic. A youth with no desire to enter politics, and yet born for it.

Tenebrous had told him from the start that the Republic, with help from the Sith, would continue to descend into corruption and disorder, and that a time would come when it would have to rely on the strengths of an enlightened leader, capable of saving the lesser masses from being ruled by their unruly passions, jealousies, and desires. In the face of a common enemy, real or manufactured, they would set aside all their differences and embrace the leadership of anyone who promise a brighter future. Could this Palpatine, with Plagueis's help, be the one to bring about such a transformation?

Again he tried to see deeper into Palpatine, but without success. The psychic walls the youth had raised were impenetrable, which made the young human something rare indeed. Had Palpatine somehow learned to corral the Force within himself, as Plagueis had concealed his own powers as a youth

Plagueis sat tall in the chair, in genuine astonishment. He could see Palpatine now in all his dark glory. Anger and murder had pulled down the walls he had raised perhaps since infancy to safeguard his secret. But there was no concealing it now: the Force was powerful in him! Bottled up for seventeen standard years, his innate power had finally burst forth and could never again be stoppered. All the years of repression, guiltless crimes, raw emotion bubbling forth, toxic to any who dared touch or taste it. But beneath his anger lurked a subtle enemy: apprehension. Newly reborn, he was at great risk. But only because he didn’t realize just how powerful he was or how extraordinarily powerful he could become. He would need help to complete his self-destruction. He would need help rebuilding those walls, to keep from being discovered.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Palpatine has passively drained the lives of twenty billion beings after effortlessly mind-wiping them:

"The galaxy is choked with beings. Billions die every instant. It is better to make use of this resource. At my retreat on Byss, the life force of its colonists supplied an energy pool to sustain my dark side experiments."

Source: Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side

Imperial ships ferried millions of immigrants to the planet Byss, where the Emperor fed off their life energies through the dark side.

Source: The New Essential Guide to Characters

After choosing Byss as his resort world, Palpatine lured eager nobles to the planet—then used his dark powers to enslave its people, channeling their life energies for use in his own vile experiments within the fell Imperial Citadel.

Source: The Essential Atlas

Years ago, Emperor Palpatine chose Byss as his private retreat, and Imperial architects and engineers were commissioned to build him an opulent palace. Several million humans were allowed to emigrate to the world, where the Emperor and his adepts used the dark side to feed off their life energies. The planet's population eventually reached almost 20 billion, and all outgoing communications were censored by security agents.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

#16 Edited by Talic (60 posts) - - Show Bio

I haven't seen Vitiate light up a planet with Force Lightning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfZhxeHmnhk

Is this what you meant by light up a planet or is there another example of the above? It appears to be a cinematic of the sort. Could he strike his opponent from hundreds of miles away with this lightning?

#17 Edited by The_Titan_Lord (4552 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara maybe.

#18 Posted by Earthquake_2123 (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Sidious until I see some feats for Madara.

#19 Posted by Edude117 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@nefarious said:

Madara drops a meteor on Emperor Palpatine.

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

#20 Posted by superdoom (239 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Edited by Earthquake_2123 (467 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks. I still believe Sidious wins majority unless Madara as a counter for these.

@shootingnova said:

I don't think I can get involved, as of my ignorance in regards to Madara Uchicha - but I can leave behind Palpatine's feats:

Palpatine is fighting faster than Anakin can see (Anakin has dodged Lightning and has demonstrated sub-light reaction speeds):

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

He appears to wield countless blades to Darth Maul:

Sidious raised his saber and flew at Maul, who parried desperately, his mechanical legs whirring as he sought to counter his former Master’s blows. Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.

Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor.

Source: Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

He kills three masters before Windu knows what has happened:

Before Mace realizes what has happened, Kolar, Tiin, and Fisto have fallen to Sidious's blade.

Source: The Complete Visual Dictionary

He bends Windu's saber with Lightning, stopping short of killing him in order to fake weakness and lure Anakin to the Dark Side. Proof he could have easily killed Windu at any instance:

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine overwhelms Yoda's Force Deflection/Absorption:

In the Senate Arena, lightning forked from the hands of a Sith, and bent away from the gesture of a Jedi to shock Redrobes into unconsciousness. Then there were only the two of them. Their clash transcended the personal; when new lightning blazed, it was not Palpatine burning Yoda with his hate, it was the Lord of all Sith scorching the Master of all Jedi into a smoldering huddle of clothing and green flesh.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

The end came with astonishing suddenness. The shadow could feel how much it cost the little green freak to bend back his lightnings into the cage of energy that enclosed them both; the creature had reached the limits of his strength.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Palpatine destroys a small army with a burst of Lightning:

He is the only being who can create Wormholes, and they destroy the surfaces of planets, annihilate fleets and transport beings across the galaxy:

He has mastered all known Force techniques and invented new ones at his leisure:

Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure.

Source: Dark Empire Sourcebook

Palpatine's essence returns from the void by the sheer force of will alone:

Palpatine's body was destroyed. Separated from his clones, Palpatine was forced to survive in the maddening, bodiless existence of the void. Through sheer will he retained his identity, crossing the gulf of space to again take up residence in his clone body.

Credit to Silver2467

Source: Gamer #5

His mind was unreadable to Plagueis (before he even had training in the Force) and later to Shaak Ti and Vima-Da-Boda:

The fact that Palpatine was flustered, confused, possibly frightened was obvious. But when Shaak Ti attempted to read him through the Force, she found it difficult to get a sense of what he was truly feeling.

Source: Labyrinth of Evil

They got up from the bench and began to amble back toward the university complex. Plagueis submerged himself deeply in the Force to study Palpatine, but he was unable to glean very much. Humans were difficult to read in the easiest of cases, and Palpatine’s mind was awash in conflict. So much going on in that small brain, Plagueis told himself. So much emotional current and self-interest. So unlike the predictable, focused intellects of the Outer Rim sentients, especially the hive-minded among them.

There it was again, Plagueis thought: the deceptive cadence; the use of flattery, charm, and self-effacement as if rapier feints in a duel. The need to be seen as guileless, unassuming, empathetic. A youth with no desire to enter politics, and yet born for it.

Tenebrous had told him from the start that the Republic, with help from the Sith, would continue to descend into corruption and disorder, and that a time would come when it would have to rely on the strengths of an enlightened leader, capable of saving the lesser masses from being ruled by their unruly passions, jealousies, and desires. In the face of a common enemy, real or manufactured, they would set aside all their differences and embrace the leadership of anyone who promise a brighter future. Could this Palpatine, with Plagueis's help, be the one to bring about such a transformation?

Again he tried to see deeper into Palpatine, but without success. The psychic walls the youth had raised were impenetrable, which made the young human something rare indeed. Had Palpatine somehow learned to corral the Force within himself, as Plagueis had concealed his own powers as a youth

Plagueis sat tall in the chair, in genuine astonishment. He could see Palpatine now in all his dark glory. Anger and murder had pulled down the walls he had raised perhaps since infancy to safeguard his secret. But there was no concealing it now: the Force was powerful in him! Bottled up for seventeen standard years, his innate power had finally burst forth and could never again be stoppered. All the years of repression, guiltless crimes, raw emotion bubbling forth, toxic to any who dared touch or taste it. But beneath his anger lurked a subtle enemy: apprehension. Newly reborn, he was at great risk. But only because he didn’t realize just how powerful he was or how extraordinarily powerful he could become. He would need help to complete his self-destruction. He would need help rebuilding those walls, to keep from being discovered.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Palpatine has passively drained the lives of twenty billion beings after effortlessly mind-wiping them:

"The galaxy is choked with beings. Billions die every instant. It is better to make use of this resource. At my retreat on Byss, the life force of its colonists supplied an energy pool to sustain my dark side experiments."

Source: Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side

Imperial ships ferried millions of immigrants to the planet Byss, where the Emperor fed off their life energies through the dark side.

Source: The New Essential Guide to Characters

After choosing Byss as his resort world, Palpatine lured eager nobles to the planet—then used his dark powers to enslave its people, channeling their life energies for use in his own vile experiments within the fell Imperial Citadel.

Source: The Essential Atlas

Years ago, Emperor Palpatine chose Byss as his private retreat, and Imperial architects and engineers were commissioned to build him an opulent palace. Several million humans were allowed to emigrate to the world, where the Emperor and his adepts used the dark side to feed off their life energies. The planet's population eventually reached almost 20 billion, and all outgoing communications were censored by security agents.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Each of those Jedi possess superhuman stats and Force precog and yet none of them could react.

#22 Posted by ferventking (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Palp from movies -> Madara stomps

EU Palp -> Palp stomps

#23 Posted by Earthquake_2123 (467 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferventking: Idk. Witout Palp using TP or BFR. I think it's close. I looked at the videos on Madara and his pretty much have precog and he's fast enough to blitz an entire army. He's pretty sick. It's not a stomp. I could Madara winning a few.

#24 Posted by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

What's the Emperor's answer to Susano'o?

#25 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: I have no idea what that does. Perhaps you could elaborate?

Idk. Witout Palp using TP or BFR. I think it's close. I looked at the videos on Madara and his pretty much have precog and he's fast enough to blitz an entire army. He's pretty sick. It's not a stomp. I could Madara winning a few.

Where exactly is this stipulated?

#26 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio
@edude117 said:

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

Palpatine has never shown Force Barrier that can absorb a meteor. If an actual meteor hit him, he would be dead. His best option would be to BFR either himself or the meteor away, but in any case his spirit would still linger and I don't know if Uchicha can harm that.

Of course, when I referenced "meteor", I might a sizable one - not just a boulder which he could effortlessly TK away.

#27 Posted by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: Susano'o creates a gigantic, humanoid being that surrounds the user. As one of the strongest techniques granted to those that have acquired the Mangekyō Sharingan, it is the user's guardian deity. It acts as a shield and can also be used offensively.

#28 Posted by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: I didn't want a description. I wanted feats. But I'll assume the video is the best feat?

In any case - what is Madara Uchicha's best reaction feat?

#29 Posted by uberhikari (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine lolstomps. Madara dies a horrible death.

#30 Edited by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

Madara with a few susanoo hits and maybe a few Limbo Hengoku

#31 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: I didn't want a description. I wanted feats. But I'll assume the video is the best feat?

In any case - what is Madara Uchicha's best reaction feat?

Madara reaction speed is enough for him tom beat this guy

#32 Edited by Edude117 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova said:
@edude117 said:

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

Palpatine has never shown Force Barrier that can absorb a meteor. If an actual meteor hit him, he would be dead. His best option would be to BFR either himself or the meteor away, but in any case his spirit would still linger and I don't know if Uchicha can harm that.

Of course, when I referenced "meteor", I might a sizable one - not just a boulder which he could effortlessly TK away.

Are you sure he couldn't stop even a sizable one? Of course, one the size of a planet is going to crush him if he just stands there, but one the size of a city or even a state... After all, Jedi and Sith - much less powerful Jedi and Sith - have TK'd things like Star Destroyers which are roughly the size of a small city. I don't see why Sidious couldn't stop even a large meteor and hurl it back at Uchiha.

#33 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16006 posts) - - Show Bio

@edude117 said:

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

Palpatine has never shown Force Barrier that can absorb a meteor. If an actual meteor hit him, he would be dead. His best option would be to BFR either himself or the meteor away, but in any case his spirit would still linger and I don't know if Uchicha can harm that.

Of course, when I referenced "meteor", I might a sizable one - not just a boulder which he could effortlessly TK away.

this is the one they're talking about:

But madara doesn't have any answer to telepathy. Sure, he has eye-techniques to telepathically (Idk if it's telepathy exactly, it involves taking control of circulation system) paralyze people, or show them illusions and stuff, but nothing a direct telepath won't be able to overwhelm.

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#34 Posted by Juiceboks (7829 posts) - - Show Bio

@edude117 said:

@shootingnova said:
@edude117 said:

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

Palpatine has never shown Force Barrier that can absorb a meteor. If an actual meteor hit him, he would be dead. His best option would be to BFR either himself or the meteor away, but in any case his spirit would still linger and I don't know if Uchicha can harm that.

Of course, when I referenced "meteor", I might a sizable one - not just a boulder which he could effortlessly TK away.

Are you sure he couldn't stop even a sizable one? Of course, one the size of a planet is going to crush him if he just stands there, but one the size of a city or even a state... After all, Jedi and Sith - much less powerful Jedi and Sith - have TK'd things like Star Destroyers which are roughly the size of a small city. I don't see why Sidious couldn't stop even a large meteor and hurl it back at Uchiha.

Or better yet, just move out of the way.

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#35 Edited by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: I guess the video wasn't impressive enough... He can split mountains with ease and his perfect susano'o form is nigh indestructible and it can be activated faster than lightning strikes. His reaction speed and normal speed is at least hypersonic. Plus with his sharingan (red eyes) he can read and predict his opponents movements. It's kind of like seeing them move in slower motion. All of this isn't even including his Rinnegan. The rinnegan basically gives him 6 crazy powers on top of the ones he already has. He can pull and repel any object, absorb any energy attack (including lightning), bring people back from the dead, summon enormous monsters, rip out peoples souls (must be close to do it), and he can summon technological weapons.

Here it shows Nagato (guy with the Rinnegan) using 3 of his 6 powers with the Rinnegan at once. The right arms are tech weapons, the left arm is pulling out a soul, and one of his monsters is holding the yellow one.
Here it shows his repelling attack. It is strong enough to push anything away. The third picture shows him pushing so hard that he ends up destroying an entire village.
This power of the Rinnegan is able to absorb IMMENSE amounts of power and energy. I don't see why it wouldn't soak up the Emperor's lightning.

#36 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio
@edude117 said:

Are you sure he couldn't stop even a sizable one? Of course, one the size of a planet is going to crush him if he just stands there, but one the size of a city or even a state... After all, Jedi and Sith - much less powerful Jedi and Sith - have TK'd things like Star Destroyers which are roughly the size of a small city. I don't see why Sidious couldn't stop even a large meteor and hurl it back at Uchiha.

I wasn't challenging his ability to save himself from such meteors, but I was contesting the idea he could use Barrier to defend himself from it. That seems almost unlikely.

I guess the video wasn't impressive enough... He can split mountains with ease and his perfect susano'o form is nigh indestructible and it can be activated faster than lightning strikes. His reaction speed and normal speed is at least hypersonic. Plus with his sharingan (red eyes) he can read and predict his opponents movements. It's kind of like seeing them move in slower motion. All of this isn't even including his Rinnegan. The rinnegan basically gives him 6 crazy powers on top of the ones he already has. He can pull and repel any object, absorb any energy attack (including lightning), bring people back from the dead, summon enormous monsters, rip out peoples souls (must be close to do it), and he can summon technological weapons.

Here it shows Nagato (guy with the Rinnegan) using 3 of his 6 powers with the Rinnegan at once. The right arms are tech weapons, the left arm is pulling out a soul, and one of his monsters is holding the yellow one.
Here it shows his repelling attack. It is strong enough to push anything away. The third picture shows him pushing so hard that he ends up destroying an entire village.
This power of the Rinnegan is able to absorb IMMENSE amounts of power and energy. I don't see why it wouldn't soak up the Emperor's lightning.

Interesting. Even so, hypersonic speeds is about Anakin/Mace level. They can't even see Palpatine fighting, so I'm somewhat confident he can speedblitz.

For Palpatine's Lightning, it has bent Lightsaber blades (I will discuss that later), lit up entire planets and destroyed small armies.

Regarding bending a lightsaber, that is fairly impressive, since a lightsaber blade's feats include:

@shootingnova said:

Lightsabers' best feats include piercing fireworms, which live their whole lives in lava, slicing through neuranium, an incredibly dense substance that subtle warps the space and time radiate from it and slashing through capital ship hulls, which sustain anywhere from hundreds of thousands to millions of tons on top of them.

#37 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (23193 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine SLAUGHTERHOUSE.

#38 Posted by Edude117 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@edude117 said:

@shootingnova said:
@edude117 said:

And then Sidious tanks it with a Force Barrier. :)

Palpatine has never shown Force Barrier that can absorb a meteor. If an actual meteor hit him, he would be dead. His best option would be to BFR either himself or the meteor away, but in any case his spirit would still linger and I don't know if Uchicha can harm that.

Of course, when I referenced "meteor", I might a sizable one - not just a boulder which he could effortlessly TK away.

Are you sure he couldn't stop even a sizable one? Of course, one the size of a planet is going to crush him if he just stands there, but one the size of a city or even a state... After all, Jedi and Sith - much less powerful Jedi and Sith - have TK'd things like Star Destroyers which are roughly the size of a small city. I don't see why Sidious couldn't stop even a large meteor and hurl it back at Uchiha.

Or better yet, just move out of the way.

Well, of course he could do that. But I'm pretty sure his TK alone could easily stop a large meteor mid-flight.

#39 Edited by Edude117 (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Oh, jeez. When people were talking about sizable meteors, I was thinking they were talking about planet/large moon size meteors. That? And at such speeds? lawl

#40 Edited by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio
@shootingnova said:
Here it shows Nagato (guy with the Rinnegan) using 3 of his 6 powers with the Rinnegan at once. The right arms are tech weapons, the left arm is pulling out a soul, and one of his monsters is holding the yellow one.
Here it shows his repelling attack. It is strong enough to push anything away. The third picture shows him pushing so hard that he ends up destroying an entire village.
This power of the Rinnegan is able to absorb IMMENSE amounts of power and energy. I don't see why it wouldn't soak up the Emperor's lightning.

Interesting. Even so, hypersonic speeds is about Anakin/Mace level. They can't even see Palpatine fighting, so I'm somewhat confident he can speedblitz.

Well like I also mentioned about the Sharingan, you are able to detect someone moving very fast. "The Sharingan is able to track fast-moving objects before finally giving some amount of predictive capabilities to the user, allowing them to see the image of an attacker's next move from the slightest muscle tension in their body and counter-attack or dodge without any wasted movement. However, even though the user may be able to see an attack or know it is coming, their body may not always have time to react." Since Madara has such fast speed and reaction time he will likely be able to react to the Emperor even if he is faster than hypersonic due to the sharingan.

For Palpatine's Lightning, it has bent Lightsaber blades (I will discuss that later), lit up entire planets and destroyed small armies.

That's pretty wild. They made him really powerful in the comics. But the Rinnegan has never shown even the slightest amount of weakness or overload when it comes to absorbing energy based attacks.

I'd say this is one of the largest energy attacks that he's every absorbed. As you can see that attack (Giant Rasen-shuriken) is enormous and a very impressive feat. Especially considering what a normal sized rasen-shuriken can do.
The first two scans show the destruction radius of a normal rasen-shuriken. So imagine the radius size of the giant rasen-shuriken (3rd scan) that Madara absorbed with his Rinnegan.

#41 Posted by RetconCrisis (3338 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine can react to Madara's meteor, since it took forever to his meteor to even pass the lower level of the atmosphere.

#42 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: Palpatine fights at near-relativistic speeds (near light speeds). I doubt Uchicha could even see him fighting.

#43 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9485 posts) - - Show Bio

Palpatine wrecks Madara and the rest of the Naruto-verse.

#44 Edited by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: Light speed..? Okay I can understand amping these characters up a little in the comics but damn... How do you go from this...

...To a FTL continent buster?

#45 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: You don't compare the movies with the EU. Their power levels are vastly different. And Palpatine isn't FTL. I said "near" light speeds.

Palpatine is fighting faster than Anakin can see (Anakin has dodged Lightning and has demonstrated sub-light reaction speeds):

Anakin blinked and rubbed his eyes again. Maybe he was still a bit flash-blind—the Korun Master seemed to be fading in and out of existence, half swallowed by a thickening black haze in which danced a meter-long bar of sunfire. Mace pressed back the darkness with a relentless straight-ahead march; his own blade, that distinctive amethyst blaze that had been the final sight of so many evil beings across the galaxy, made a haze of its own: an oblate sphere of purple fire within which there seemed to be dozens of swords slashing in all directions at once.

The shadow he fought, that blur of speed—could that be Palpatine?

Their blades flared and flashed, crashing together with bursts of fire, weaving nets of killing energy in exchanges so fast that Anakin could not truly see them—but he could feel them in the Force. The Force itself roiled and burst and crashed around them, boiling with power and lightspeed ricochets of lethal intent. And it was darkening.

He could feel the end of this battle approaching, and so could the blur of Sith he faced; in the Force, the shadow had become a pulsar of fear.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

He appears to wield countless blades to Darth Maul:

Sidious raised his saber and flew at Maul, who parried desperately, his mechanical legs whirring as he sought to counter his former Master’s blows. Sidious’s sabers were a blur, a whirling cage of deadly plasma. Maul danced away from one blow, then reversed his movement to avoid another, and then there were too many to count, and then there were even more than that.

Maul’s saber spun out of his hand, bouncing away across the floor.

Source: Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy

He kills three masters before Windu knows what has happened:

Before Mace realizes what has happened, Kolar, Tiin, and Fisto have fallen to Sidious's blade.

Source: The Complete Visual Dictionary

He was bending Mace's lightsaber with his Lightning as well:

Lightning blasted the clouds above, and lightning blasted from Palpatine's hands, and Mace didn't have time to comprehend what Palpatine was talking about; he had time only to slip back into Vaapad and angle his blade to catch the forking arcs of pure, dazzling hatred that clawed toward him. Because Vaapad is more than a fighting style. It is a state of mind: a channel for darkness. Power passed into him and out again without touching him. And the circuit completed itself: the lightning reflected back to its source.

Palpatine still made no move to defend himself from Skywalker; instead he ramped up the lightning bursting from his hands, bending the fountain of Mace's blade back toward the Korun Master's face.

Mace's blade bent so close to his face that he was choking on ozone. "Anakin, he's too strong for me—"

This was beyond Vaapad; he had no strength left to fight against his own blade.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

And how can Madara get past these Wormholes which annihilate the surface of planets/moons and wipe out entire fleets?

#46 Posted by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: If you are getting ur "near light speed" sources solely based on the 3rd movie when he fights the four jedi then I am sorry but Madara is WAY faster than that. Also, I never denied that the EU was different from the movies, hell I doubt anyone is arguing that. I just don't understand how it strayed so far from the movie feats to:

"He is the only being who can create Wormholes, and they destroy the surfaces of planets, annihilate fleets and transport beings across the galaxy"

#47 Posted by uberhikari (2443 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: If you are getting ur "near light speed" sources solely based on the 3rd movie when he fights the four jedi then I am sorry but Madara is WAY faster than that. Also, I never denied that the EU was different from the movies, hell I doubt anyone is arguing that. I just don't understand how it strayed so far from the movie feats to:

"He is the only being who can create Wormholes, and they destroy the surfaces of planets, annihilate fleets and transport beings across the galaxy"

Because the novelizations expand on the movies. And the books are all canon, so trying to deny the feats from the books is useless. EU Palpatine godstomps Madara. It's not really debatable.

#48 Edited by ShootingNova (15523 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: Are you even paying attention? These speed feats don't come from any movie. They come from novels/sourcebooks which tell us Mace could not see Palpatine until he was amped, Anakin could not see Palpatine fighting, Maul saw "more than countless" blades being wielded by Palpatine, etc.

For a demonstration of their speed levels, Mace's speed includes generating afterimages, striking six times before Kar Vastor could react, moving his lightsaber faster than thought, moving at blinding speeds, and this:

(10:20 onward)

(Up to 3:06)

(10:03 onward)

(Mainly 11:00 onward)

Anakin's speed includes generating afterimages, drawing his lightsaber faster than thought, encasing himself in the light of his blade, moving blurringly fast, moving and fighting imperceptibly fast, moving fast enough to appear in several places at once, and so on.

Maul has moved faster than a droid could see, moved at blinding/blurring speeds, fought imperceptibly fast, dodged blaster bolts at a close-range, etc.

Yet none of them could even react to Palpatine. That is Palpatine's speed level. Not what you see in the movies.

I have yet to see light speed feats from Madara.

#49 Posted by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@uberhikari: Clearly it isn't. And I'm not denying that it's canon I just think its dumb that they amped the crap out of them as soon as they hit the books. I mean an argument could be made that Palpatine could beat powerhouses like Martian Manhunter or Superman. IMO that really shouldn't be the case considering how much weaker the jedi and sith were in the movies.

Madara could absorb Palpatine's lightning. I realize that Madara would lose but Palpatine's not completely superior in every department.

#50 Edited by Noone301994 (3797 posts) - - Show Bio

@shootingnova: I know you were talking about the novels I was just asking you as a confirmation. And I think you posted those videos to show me just how fast (if not, faster) that Windu and Palpatine could move in the novels. But again, just to confirm... Is that the extent of their speed? In the videos you showed me? Because again Madara can move quicker than anything I saw in those videos.