#101 Posted by GhostRavage (8825 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1: Ah man... Im kind of drunk right now... Maybe i'll explain later :'P

#102 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (16721 posts) - - Show Bio
#103 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio

okay..........so what i gather from this all is , the naruto team wins after a mid-diff fight?

#104 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1458 posts) - - Show Bio

Since one piece fans dont want to lose, i'll make sure they do

Madara summons his meteors to kill them all and obito protects them both by creating a shield or just flyng them both out of the vicinity

Survivors (if any) then face perfect susaboo and atomic destruction jutsu

#105 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio

any more...

#107 Edited by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio

buumpp

#108 Posted by Cardle_grave (458 posts) - - Show Bio

One piece stomps, Too Fast, and too strong

#109 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio
#110 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#111 Posted by IndieComicsFTW (3253 posts) - - Show Bio

@nighthunder: I am not a fan of Naruto or One Piece. I am strictly DBZ, Hellsing, and Yu Yu Hakusho for me.

#112 Edited by InFamous_Wolf (973 posts) - - Show Bio
#113 Posted by ThatGuyWithHeadPhones (10874 posts) - - Show Bio

okay..........so what i gather from this all is , the naruto team wins after a mid-diff fight?

mid diff... no, stomp

#114 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio
#115 Posted by dondave (36455 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

Online
#116 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@thatguywithheadphones: Jeez..i thought with whitebeard added it'd atleast be a good fight

it is a good fight, but there is a problem with Enel. Madara/Tobito have no way to deal with him.

#117 Posted by SirNeko (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Yuubito destroys anything he touches lmao.

#118 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

Eneru solostomps everyone minus Luffy.

#119 Posted by solon (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 has good chance

#120 Posted by SirNeko (960 posts) - - Show Bio

Eneru solostomps everyone minus Luffy.

How so? How does he counter a power that can destroy anything in it's way?

#121 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko said:

Yuubito destroys anything he touches lmao.

From what we have seen in One Piece, Logias can reform from ANY attack they receive in their Elemental forms or avoid getting hit by reform around an attack.

#122 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

Eneru solostomps everyone minus Luffy.

this

#123 Posted by Cooldes (4063 posts) - - Show Bio

Enel stomps weven without logia intag. His haki literally made him omniscient on skypea. He will not be touched.

#124 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko: You dont read Naruto, do you? Those black things only nullify ninjutsu. They would not do anything to Eneru. Edo Tensei were ninjutsu, which is why it destroyed them. It cannot destroy Eneru, much less touch him. Also, as a Logia type Devil Fruit user, Eneru has the power of elemental dispersion, he will just reform, or let an attack go right through.

Eneru is from a race of people that already has a kind of ability that lets them read thoughts, sort of prediction. His devil fruit powers enhance this ability to give Eneru a kind of god form Haki. No way either Obito or Madara can even touch him.

#125 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko: You dont read Naruto, do you? Those black things only nullify ninjutsu. They would not do anything to Eneru. Edo Tensei were ninjutsu, which is why it destroyed them. It cannot destroy Eneru, much less touch him. Also, as a Logia type Devil Fruit user, Eneru has the power of elemental dispersion, he will just reform, or let an attack go right through.

Eneru is from a race of people that already has a kind of ability that lets them read thoughts, sort of prediction. His devil fruit powers enhance this ability to give Eneru a kind of god form Haki. No way either Obito or Madara can even touch him.

people just forget, how ridiculous powerful logia users are without haki to attack them.

#126 Posted by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowlaville: o my god man

- Hulk is faster than Itachi

Whaaat....? He can jump fast but his other movements are slow, and when hulk jumps to try and dodge, he can cut him mid-air

- Totsuka Blade cannot cut through Hulk's tough skin. He has faced worse punishment without a scratch.

The blade never had trouble cutting thrrew anything before

Madaras Susanoo might be able to keep up with Hulk, but it cannot stop Hulk, if that is your implication. Onoki might very well be able to kill Hulk, but Hulks speed comes into play here. He is faster.

How in anyway is hulk faster than naruto characters? yes his jump speed is fast but everything else simply is outclassed, he's a strong character, not one designed to be fast

And no, the 10 tails Jinchurikki Obito cannot harm hulk with those black orbs. Why? Because the black Orbs specifically destroy ninjutsu based moves (Edo Tensei is a ninjutsu technique). Hulks body is not ninjutsu. So, the best those black Orbs would be able to do is explode, perhaps doing some damage to Hulk, but that only makes him stronger. The black Orbs only react to cancel ninjutsu. And lastly don't underestimate Hulks speed. He jumps continents in single leaps.

Nononono, those black orbs have been said to be similar and superior to dust realease,

i think your talking when tobirama stated that the technique is related to ying-yang release, which allows it to nullify jutsu. So nope, the black orbs disintegrate whatever they touch, but they can also nullify jutsu.

#127 Posted by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@nighthunder: Yes, o my god.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yin-Yang_Release

Ive said this before on another thread, how Madara used the Yin Yang release to create White Zetsu, and how Hashirama (unwittingly) uses his chakra to give life to Earth (though it hasnt been stated yet as part of the Yin Yang release). Nowhere does it state the techniques ability to nullify anything but Ninjutsu. Sarutobis deduction was simply at the workings of the technique. It works similar to dust release, yes, but much superior, in that the shape is not dormant, and can be used for a number of applications (offense, defense etc.). It doesnt boast an ability to nullify everything. Even then, its useless if the target is intangible, as is the case of Eneru.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ten-Tails_Malleable_Chakra

All of that comes later, as Eneru can effectively dodge EVERYTHING either Madara or Obito throws at him. He knows they are coming way before they are, its like a mix of Rinnegans ability to sense chakra and Sharingans ability to predict movement.

#128 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@nighthunder: Yes, o my god.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Yin-Yang_Release

Ive said this before on another thread, how Madara used the Yin Yang release to create White Zetsu, and how Hashirama (unwittingly) uses his chakra to give life to Earth (though it hasnt been stated yet as part of the Yin Yang release). Nowhere does it state the techniques ability to nullify anything but Ninjutsu. Sarutobis deduction was simply at the workings of the technique. It works similar to dust release, yes, but much superior, in that the shape is not dormant, and can be used for a number of applications (offense, defense etc.). It doesnt boast an ability to nullify everything. Even then, its useless if the target is intangible, as is the case of Eneru.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ten-Tails_Malleable_Chakra

All of that comes later, as Eneru can effectively dodge EVERYTHING either Madara or Obito throws at him. He knows they are coming way before they are, its like a mix of Rinnegans ability to sense chakra and Sharingans ability to predict movement.

this

His Godly Observation haki combined with his Logia Powers, madara and tobito can do nothing to him. Some people have to stop underestimating Enel because of his pis fight against luffy.

#129 Posted by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio
#130 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

Juubito> ANY ANIME

he is confirmed to be immortal

#131 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@kenshirofistofwrath: ikr. Luffy was the perfect fucking counter to Enel.

Yes, and not only that. It is unbelievable how stupid Enel acted, especially towards the end of this fight. He sees Luffy rushing towards him with a huge goldball attached to his arm and what is Enel doing, he just stands there and tries to tank that hit. I mean wtf..., he knows that Luffy can hurt him and that his attacks do nothing on Luffy, but he stands still and let Luffy hit him.

#132 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio
#133 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio
#134 Posted by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Logia users are, in all sense of the word, within their element, immortal.

uh no Logia is in a sense weak

yeah - if you can exploit their physical body with haki or control a superior element, so madara/tobito can do nothing to enel

#135 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Logia users are, in all sense of the word, within their element, immortal.

uh no Logia is in a sense weak

yeah - if you can exploit their physical body with haki or control a superior element, so madara/tobito can do nothing to enel

Madara has all elements and yin yang which could create anything though will

Obito has the juubi and sharingan and rinnegan this is basically OP match

#136 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin: Are you magically giving madara knowledge of Enels weakness? Or Obito for that matter.

#137 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin: Are you magically giving madara knowledge of Enels weakness? Or Obito for that matter.

Logic is the correct term they would slaugther people if you dont watch or read naruto then you dont know anything because madara and obito has physcial combat beyond anyone in one piece and they have more elements and more trained skills them them and enels is just "trash" to them both hell a slap from juubito would kill enel

#138 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin: I read Naruto from to top to bottom. If it was just about physical prowess, WhiteBeard will singlehandedly own both Madara and Obito. But its not. Enel cannot be touched by either of them. His billions upon billions of electricity output is just massive. Take something like Chidori, and Raikiri. Multiply that by gazillion times, thats Enels output effortlessly.

#139 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin: I read Naruto from to top to bottom. If it was just about physical prowess, WhiteBeard will singlehandedly own both Madara and Obito. But its not. Enel cannot be touched by either of them. His billions upon billions of electricity output is just massive. Take something like Chidori, and Raikiri. Multiply that by gazillion times, thats Enels output effortlessly.

dude just stop because 1. whitebeard cant stop everything and madara shows more feats then him 2. Enel cant stop genjutsu or let alone a shinra tensei plus madara and obito are on a whole new level of beings enel isnt he claims to be a god? dude please madara and obito are real demigod level people if you dont remember senjutsu can only hurt obito lightning would just be a walk in the park for him and madara alone with his powers would punk enel like the child he is

#140 Edited by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Are you magically giving madara knowledge of Enels weakness? Or Obito for that matter.

Logic is the correct term they would slaugther people if you dont watch or read naruto then you dont know anything because madara and obito has physcial combat beyond anyone in one piece and they have more elements and more trained skills them them and enels is just "trash" to them both hell a slap from juubito would kill enel

madara/tobitos physical attacks won´t do anything to Enel and the same goes for their elemental attacks so they still can´t deal with him. So unless they magical gain the ability to use haki, they lose.

#141 Posted by OfficialRikudouSennin (631 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Are you magically giving madara knowledge of Enels weakness? Or Obito for that matter.

Logic is the correct term they would slaugther people if you dont watch or read naruto then you dont know anything because madara and obito has physcial combat beyond anyone in one piece and they have more elements and more trained skills them them and enels is just "trash" to them both hell a slap from juubito would kill enel

madara/tobitos physical attacks won´t do anything to Enel and the same goes for their elemental attacks so they still can´t deal with him. So unless they magical gain the ability to use haki, they lose.

like i said wrong again they could easily kill him soul removal? please unblockable feat

#142 Edited by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: I read Naruto from to top to bottom. If it was just about physical prowess, WhiteBeard will singlehandedly own both Madara and Obito. But its not. Enel cannot be touched by either of them. His billions upon billions of electricity output is just massive. Take something like Chidori, and Raikiri. Multiply that by gazillion times, thats Enels output effortlessly.

dude just stop because 1. whitebeard cant stop everything and madara shows more feats then him 2. Enel cant stop genjutsu or let alone a shinra tensei plus madara and obito are on a whole new level of beings enel isnt he claims to be a god? dude please madara and obito are real demigod level people if you dont remember senjutsu can only hurt obito lightning would just be a walk in the park for him and madara alone with his powers would punk enel like the child he is

Just relax. All you need to do is show proof of your claims. Im not as unreasonable as to deny factual evidence and continue debating. So far, I have been showing logical deduction based on feats, and debating on both ends. All you have done is call Enel "trash".

Genjutsu cannot work on Enel, because Enel doesnt have Chakra, he uses powers gotten from Devil fruit. The same reason why Obitos dark spheres dont work on Enel applies. In case you don't know, Enel can use electromagnetism. He can work his way around Shinra Tensei. However, strictly basing on feats, neither Madara nor Obito has shown any of the paths of pein feats as far as I know. The showcasing of feats you are talking about, as far as Shinra Tensei, is non-existent.

Again, Ill ask you to calm down lol. True, only Senjutsu, using natural energy (Senjutsu) works on Obito. However, in Naruto, they dont have Haki. Enels god haki allows him to predict the movement of the spheres in defense mode (assuming they are controlled by Obito), to get around to dealing some massive damage to Obito. I do agree, with those black spheres protecting him, it would be next to impossible to approach him, but Haki is a way around this problem.

Madara is powerful, but he has nothing on Enel. He no longer possess Gedo Mazo and does not have his creation abilities of Yin and Yang, as far as we know.

#143 Edited by ghost_rider1 (3448 posts) - - Show Bio

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Logia users are, in all sense of the word, within their element, immortal.

uh no Logia is in a sense weak

yeah - if you can exploit their physical body with haki or control a superior element, so madara/tobito can do nothing to enel

Luffy beat the living crap out of enel....who you say is godly and cant be touched. Obito and madara is much faster than a pre-timeskip luffy. Anyway, im not gonna get into the chakra vs haki debate because all of that is speculation. I personally believe any kind of ninjutsu would indeed effect even logia type devil fruit users. Madara and Obito also can just use genjutsu if they want. And if that doesn't work, ninjas have rubber on their feets because of the sandals they where...and we all now what happens to enel when he comes in contact with rubber

#144 Posted by Cooldes (4063 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: luffy fight was PIS and CIS at it's greatest. But if you want to use it, at the start of the fight, luffy could NOT touch enel and enel even caught luffy's hand during luffy's gatlimg gun iirc.

They are not faster than enel or his ridiculous haki reaction time.

Chakara =/= haki

ninjutsu would not work on logia types unless it's a supieror element. Like magma release should work on ace.

Genjutsu requires chakara manipulation, and enel has no chakara

they have rubber on their feet. Ok? they don't know enel's weakness, and even rubber will conduct after extreme amounts of electricity.

#146 Posted by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1: Enel was plot beaten by Luffy. He is a perfect counter to Enel. Genjutsu as I said, will not work on Enel. Nothing happens to Enel when he comes into with Rubber. Electricity doesnt work on Rubber. But with the minimum quantity in a sandal lace, don't compare that with organic rubber like Luffy. Luffys can stretch, and even if wornout can regenerate. As said above, its PIS, CIS and even WIS, all bound together to beat Enel.

As a last point, Haki is not speculation. We know a weaker form of observation Haki exists in Naruto in the form of Sharingan. If anything, you are the one being speculative, avoiding all that has been said prior to the point in this thread. All of your points have been met and countered.

#147 Edited by KenshiroFistofWrath (349 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghost_rider1 said:

@kenshirofistofwrath said:

@officialrikudousennin said:

@lowlaville said:

@officialrikudousennin: Logia users are, in all sense of the word, within their element, immortal.

uh no Logia is in a sense weak

yeah - if you can exploit their physical body with haki or control a superior element, so madara/tobito can do nothing to enel

Luffy beat the living crap out of enel....who you say is godly and cant be touched. Obito and madara is much faster than a pre-timeskip luffy. Anyway, im not gonna get into the chakra vs haki debate because all of that is speculation. I personally believe any kind of ninjutsu would indeed effect even logia type devil fruit users. Madara and Obito also can just use genjutsu if they want. And if that doesn't work, ninjas have rubber on their feets because of the sandals they where...and we all now what happens to enel when he comes in contact with rubber

yeah - in a complete PIS fight. Ninjutsus won´t work, what will fire/wind/water/earth/air do against Lightning? Nothing, because without Haki you can´t hurt the pysical Body of a Logia and their Elemental Body can reform from any attack. Genjutsu won´t work

  1. People in OP doenst have Chakra
  2. How do you Genjutsu someone who is completly made of Lightning? There is no pyhsical Brain to use your chakra with, its too non-corporal and made out of lightning.

rubber on their feet? honestly,

have fun kicking that

giant made out of lighningt and youre dead, or he just shots Kami no Sabaki

around.

#148 Edited by Cooldes (4063 posts) - - Show Bio

I just rewatched the enel fight (the memories :D) and enel is very far out of their league.

He was teleporting around at some insane speeds.

His mantra is oh so very absurd.

He could casually blast 16 million volt el thors from his hands Kamehameha style. He could do this all the up to 100 million volts(casually that is, he can of course do WAY more volts).

He can traverse through any conducting medium(metals etc.).

He can create some very, very hot temps, and seeing as lighting is about 3x the temp of the surface of the sun, it's sufficent to say he could burn most things fairly easily.

He caught both of luffy's hands during one of luffy's gatling guns.

He completely outpaced luffy ln everyway, and this is a luffy who had just ran horizontally on the side of a building, and ran vertically up the side of the ship enel was on. (PreTs luffy was by no means slow as you can see).

basically, enel solo's due to not being able to be touched, and team 1 not being made of rubber.

#149 Posted by lowlaville (3972 posts) - - Show Bio
#150 Edited by NighThunder (3086 posts) - - Show Bio