No he's not! In fact he does'nt have the power/ability to affect Omnivere or Multiverse in one grandgesture AT ALL!!! Jean WILL beat him.. "
Well since he was classed as an omniversal threat, then he probably can or has the potential to do so. However, I still believe that WPOTC takes this. It would be a tough fight though.
No he's not! In fact he does'nt have the power/ability to affect Omnivere or Multiverse in one grandgesture AT ALL!!! Jean WILL beat him.. "
Well since he was classed as an omniversal threat, then he probably can or has the potential to do so. However, I still believe that WPOTC takes this. It would be a tough fight though. "
Omniversal?
You mean he is more powerful than the presence?
the presence can only do his thing at a multiversal scale!
No he's not! In fact he does'nt have the power/ability to affect Omnivere or Multiverse in one grandgesture AT ALL!!! Jean WILL beat him.. "
Well since he was classed as an omniversal threat, then he probably can or has the potential to do so. However, I still believe that WPOTC takes this. It would be a tough fight though. "
Omniversal? You mean he is more powerful than the presence? the presence can only do his thing at a multiversal scale! "
No he's not! In fact he does'nt have the power/ability to affect Omnivere or Multiverse in one grandgesture AT ALL!!! Jean WILL beat him.. "
Well since he was classed as an omniversal threat, then he probably can or has the potential to do so. However, I still believe that WPOTC takes this. It would be a tough fight though. "
Omniversal? You mean he is more powerful than the presence? the presence can only do his thing at a multiversal scale! "
Omniverse = Multiverse as far as I'm concerned. "
Yeah. IFAIK omniverse contains all of the universes that has appeared ever.
" Mad Jim Jaspers was deemed to be an omniversal threat. White Phoenix of the Crown is only a multiversal threat. "
Except that the writers labeled him incorectly becasue as an OMniversal threat he would be a threat to our universe, the DC universe, Vertigo Universe, Preacher Universe, etc. . .
If he were properly labeled he too would be a Multiversal Threat.
yup.. but correct me if i'm wrong, but was the WPOTC ever classified as a threat? coz on HCT where she appeared, she healed a wounded universe out of compassion.. now the dark phoenix was a threat, claimed by many that she can destroy all that is.. i think that the WPOTC is the ultimate guardian of creation not deemed as a threat or whatever.. now, if she would be one, then i guess everyone is in big trouble.. coz in my opinion, a corrupted WPOTC (or im sure they'll change her name again to be suitable for her portrayal) would be a greater threat than MJJ could ever be since she is one with the primal force which was said and is continued to be argued (some say its just a hyperbole) "second only to the creator"..
"Jaspers can simply warp away all life in the cosmos from now till the end. It would be difficult to fight when there's no gas in the tank. The Phoenix Force exists and draws power from life force. If Jaspers were to remove all life in the universe that is and ever will be, it would be like putting Galactus in a universe where planets and other heavenly bodies are non-existent, and will never ever form. Then you have Galactus fight a powerful opponent, like another abstract. He will lose."What if" is a circumstantial situation. Mad Jim Jaspers IS reality manipulation. Even if WPOTC can do anything, it can't raise a feather it if has no power source to fuel its actions. "
i beg to disagree on your opinion.. the Phoenix Force does not derive its power from life or the sea of life unborn, rather the Phoenix is the source of the force of life.. the Phoenix Force is not a corporeal entity, rather it is a force, pure force, pure creation.. in order for it to manifest in the physical plane and assume its firebird form it mostly depicts, the force must tap into the limitless force originally it inteded for the unborn, thus denying these souls existence.. plus the Phoenix itself is the source of life.. its mere existence powers the very stars, and like what Roma and Death told Galactus when he was extracting the force from Rachel, denying the force to the universe is to deny the universe life and no life can ever come about it again.. plus the fact that one can never destroy life, for life has unknown origins.. if one would recall, even in our reality, all started from nothing.. endless darkness and eternal silence.. but then, out of the blue, a simple living organic matter is created and thus leading to what we our now.. it all goes down that even if one destroy all life, life itself will inevitably be restored.. from the simple logic that life came from nothing.. in the marvel universe, this cycle is the purpose of the Phoenix which ensures a new creation after destruction.. ensuring that life will rise from the ashes of death.. in addition, your rebutal was a perfect flaw, even if the Phoenix derives its power from life (which i stated incorrect), the mere fact that MJJ is alive testifies that no matter what he does, the Phoenix will live on, unless he decides in ending his own existence.. and if that happens, the Phoenix will just rise from the ashes all the void of nothingness, to ensure a new creation.. for it is its purpose.. to ensure the unbroken cycle of death and rebirth, creation and destruction.. so in context, my point is.. the White Phoenix of the Crown wins.. (please correct me if im wrong..) =P
@lord_oraculous016: no it should be a hyperbole based on only LT is second to TOAA, just b/c she has the power of life itself doesn't make her only second to the creator, i would consider multi eternity higher than her as well
" @lord_oraculous016: Well, Mad Jim Jaspers can simply will himself to become whatever he wants to be and do whatever he wants. He can make himself immune to all attacks. Good points though. "
WPOTC could will him to never exist, thus making his so-called ability to be immune to all attacks worthless.
@lord_oraculous016: I love reading your posts on the phoenix force. They're always full of intellect. Mmmmmm intellect. Anyways yeah I agree. The phoenix can simply just will him out of existance or deny him life. It's that powerful.
" @OblivionKnight: I don't know if the Phoenix's reality warping powers are superior to Jaspers'. "
well MJJ was an omniversal threat because(if I remember correctly) his reality warping was creating devastating ripples in reality. However, Phoenix Force has destroyed literally countless universes and created the same amount(although there may be a plus 1 to the number of universes created to the the universes destroyed due to the very first universe beign created and such). So it has limitless power since there are limitless Marvel universes. I think she could take MJJ.
"@lord_oraculous016: I love reading your posts on the phoenix force. They're always full of intellect. Mmmmmm intellect. Anyways yeah I agree. The phoenix can simply just will him out of existance or deny him life. It's that powerful. "
yes.. her only shown feat so fa is healing a wounded universe out of compassion.. that alone would show how a mere universe is probably almost insignificant to the likes of her, for she could just let it die- why the waste of effort???, but then the WPOTC is tainted with human compassion from the likes of Jean Grey, who was told by Death that since the dawn of creation, he has never met someone who values life more than her.. plus healing a wounded universe is her only shown feat so far.. one cannot claim it to be her highest.. plus the fact that feats are inconcise and varies greatly from one writer to another , but significance and importance to the very fabric of creation is something that the Phoenix Force has shown and maintained since its first appearance, putting it to its rightful place as one, if not the most important cosmic being in creation despite her high highs and low lows; a rank which no feat can put one into.. for like the Royals of the world, one cannot buy or rise to be among their ranks, for one must be born as one of them.. i also remember and much appreciate the Watcher's words during the final chapters of the Dark Phoenix Saga where Jean Grey ultimately sacrificed her life to save all that exist from her powers, he said "Jean Grey could have lived to become a God, but it was more important to her that she died as a Human." this ultimately shows that true power does not lie on how strong you are or how you can manipulate reality, but rather on how you value life and love, and how much you are willing to sacrifice for others (the very lesson i known our parents had taught us over the years).. plus the Phoenix symbolizes hope, and hope springs eternal..
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