i say thanos
Mad jim jaspers vs full power spectre vs thanos with ig
I say this WRATH ENTITY
MJJ is a Fifth Dimensional imp his going First In My Opinion.
Thanos With the IG gauntlet goes last. IMO
I would go for Mad Jim Jaspers cos he can do anything. Before everybody could make a move, MJJ is already playing playstation controlling Thanos in versus mode against Spectre.
Or he can create 3 Thanoses and 3 Spectres to fight the real Thanos and the Real Spectre.
If Proteus can do this, so can MJJ.
The full power of God vs. two others? Even with the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos can't stand to that. Mad Jim Jaspers comes dead last. He'll go first. Thanos can't defeat Spectre unbound (essentially infinite power), with or without IG.
"The Spectre even unbound, IMO has never shown the power anywhere near even the IG. And until the Spectre stops jobbing at every turn, I can not give him that much credit. #1: Thanos w/IG #2: MJJ #3: Unbound Spectre "
co-signed. Though #2 & 3 can be interchanchable depending on Spectre mainly. they (DC) have jobbed him too much for MJJ to not get the upper hand.
" @bumnut: Pretty much, yeah. Not to mention I don't think Spectre was at full power at that time as he is here. "
What does that mean, anyway, at full power? Backing by the Presence? Cause that's not full power, that's with aid or power ups. Spectre has his own defined powerset. Spectre unbound is Spectre in Day of Vengeance, and he was not, for the record, backed by the Presence. The Presence only reeled him end at the end of the series.
" @bumnut: The source of Spectre's power is the Presence. Spectre may retain his own power, but that doesn't mean he's the source of it. The Presence changes his power levels all the time to fit different situations. "
Not really. That's like saying the source is behind every being's power in the universe. As stated, Spectre is an Angel of Vengeance, and has his own defined powers and parameters, but the Presence can back him and give him the confidence in utilizing said powers more effeciently. That, I would label as a power up!
That's like saying the source is behind every being's power in the universe.How? The Spectre is an agent of the Presence. SuperMan won't get backed by the Presence because he doesn't really work for him. I mean, I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you said. I just don't follow.
" @bumnut said:That's like saying the source is behind every being's power in the universe.How? The Spectre is an agent of the Presence. SuperMan won't get backed by the Presence because he doesn't really work for him. I mean, I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you said. I just don't follow. "
What i'm saying is, that Spectre, even when people say unbound, has and is going by his own powers. Spectre being backed by the Presence has only hapend once, that I know of, and that's when he took on the AM in COIE. If it's hapened again, before or after, please feel free to give scans or references. That is why Spectre will never be on the same powerlevel as a being like the LT. Spectre being backed by the Presence is like saying Thanos being backed by the IG.
" @bumnut: OK. I mean, I don't completely agree, but I can see what you're saying. Although, the debate about him and LT has been going on for a while and probably always will. It's like the debate with Darkseid and Thanos. I generally prefer just to keep out of it; I don't know who to pick. "
That is fair enough and understandable. Feats alone, Spectre has never been on LT's level, they have completelty different roles, and LT does not require backing by TOAA/Presence. Darkseid is/was a beast, but alot of people have problems with the way DC have treated him and let him slide, where as Thanos has always been consistant, for me, is where the difference lies. Thanos was actually modelled on Darkseid, as Starlin has stated himself, who is Thanos's creater. Kirby actually modelled Darkseid after actor Jack Palance.
The Infinity Gauntlet should be the winner since it makes once supreme only beneath the Living Tribunal and TOAA.
" Jaspers . "why? At best it could be a stalemate between Jaspers and the gauntlet. But, based on the definition of the IG I would have to say the IG would overcome Jaspers even at the height of his powers.
" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "That's a funny claim. Where would you get the idea that the Infinity Gauntlet is only Universal?
" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal.
" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse." @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
The IG certainly wasn't. I can't imagine why you'd consider it a stalemate.
Because the Infinity Gauntlet it beyond universal and made one supreme only beneath LT." @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:The IG certainly wasn't. I can't imagine why you'd consider it a stalemate. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:It's a multiversal threat at best. Saying it made one supreme only beneath the LT isn't a fair assumption either. He never fought MJJ. In fact, no one used it to really influence the multiverse. IT was hinted at that it could, but no one really acted on it. All he fought and influenced were a bunch of universal entities. He never battled someone whose abilities extend beyond the multiverse.Because the Infinity Gauntlet it beyond universal and made one supreme only beneath LT. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:The IG certainly wasn't. I can't imagine why you'd consider it a stalemate. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:That was a bad choice of words by the authors of those issues because the Omniverse includes our own universe and DC/Vertigo, and the Preacher Universe, etc (per Marvel's Definition). At best MJJ (and HOM Wanda for that matter) are only Mutiversal threats." @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
It couldn't be omniversal? I mean, a single Gem (Time) has performed Universal feats, and even nullified from existence an entire Universe: (Soul)" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
It's a multiversal threat at best. Saying it made one supreme only beneath the LT isn't a fair assumption either. He never fought MJJ. In fact, no one used it to really influence the multiverse. IT was hinted at that it could, but no one really acted on it. All he fought and influenced were a bunch of universal entities. He never battled someone whose abilities extend beyond the multiverse. "" @Lance Uppercut said:
Because the Infinity Gauntlet it beyond universal and made one supreme only beneath LT. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
The IG certainly wasn't. I can't imagine why you'd consider it a stalemate. "" @Lance Uppercut said:
Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
Rune, with the Time Gem only completely freezes the entire Time-stream. The Soul Gem alone erased the old Magus' Timeline (an entire Universe) from existence, while simultaneously altering the future of 616.
Why didn't the IG in the hands of Thanos/Nebula/Warlock affect the omniverse? Because Thanos only wanted 616. (although technially this is Multiverse-like), because Nebula was half-crazed (stipulation) and thus was "defeated" and because Warlock didn't want any Universe. Thanos curbstomped the power of the infinite prime Multiverse (616 Eternity) in one move.
Anyway, when the gems are all together the wearer is supposed to be granted absolute omnipotence. I don't see Jaspers above that.
" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:Oh, well I just went literally by what it said on-panel. I guess it could be wrong, though." @Lance Uppercut said:That was a bad choice of words by the authors of those issues because the Omniverse includes our own universe and DC/Vertigo, and the Preacher Universe, etc (per Marvel's Definition). At best MJJ (and HOM Wanda for that matter) are only Mutiversal threats. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
" @Lance Uppercut said:Once again, what omniversal feats did it perform? All we saw was that it could effect universes.It couldn't be omniversal? I mean, a single Gem (Time) has performed Universal feats, and even nullified from existence an entire Universe: (Soul) Rune, with the Time Gem only completely freezes the entire Time-stream. The Soul Gem alone erased the old Magus' Timeline (an entire Universe) from existence, while simultaneously altering the future of 616. Why didn't the IG in the hands of Thanos/Nebula/Warlock affect the omniverse? Because Thanos only wanted 616. (although technially this is Multiverse-like), because Nebula was half-crazed (stipulation) and thus was "defeated" and because Warlock didn't want any Universe. Thanos curbstomped the power of the infinite prime Multiverse (616 Eternity) in one move. Anyway, when the gems are all together the wearer is supposed to be granted absolute omnipotence. I don't see Jaspers above that. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
It's a multiversal threat at best. Saying it made one supreme only beneath the LT isn't a fair assumption either. He never fought MJJ. In fact, no one used it to really influence the multiverse. IT was hinted at that it could, but no one really acted on it. All he fought and influenced were a bunch of universal entities. He never battled someone whose abilities extend beyond the multiverse. "" @Lance Uppercut said:
Because the Infinity Gauntlet it beyond universal and made one supreme only beneath LT. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:
The IG certainly wasn't. I can't imagine why you'd consider it a stalemate. "" @Lance Uppercut said:
Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:
" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
And absolute omnipotence... except when it comes up against the LT? The LT isn't even omnipotent. The only omnipotent being is TOAA. Mephisto in his own realm is said to be omnipotent.
" @A Touch of Class (ATC) said:I'm not explaining this to you again." @Lance Uppercut said:That was a bad choice of words by the authors of those issues because the Omniverse includes our own universe and DC/Vertigo, and the Preacher Universe, etc (per Marvel's Definition). At best MJJ (and HOM Wanda for that matter) are only Mutiversal threats. "" @TheJuggernautpunch said:Lance has it right. MJJ was a threat to the omniverse. "" @A Touch of Class (ATC): Too bad , IG is universal , Jaspers is Multiversal . "Too bad Jaspers is way beyond Multiversal. "
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