Mad Jim Jaspers & Phoenix Force v Spectre & Anti-Monitor

Team Dc or Marvel?

DC

DC if it's COIE Anti-Monitor

Team DC if COIE AM

Team Marvel if SCW AM

Anti-Monitor beats them all easily

@werewolf1238910: Do you know Mad Jim?

If this is COIE Anti-Monitor then DC team wins (though MJJ will give them a hard fight).

If this is current then Marvel team wins.

I don't think even COIE AM can take MJJ. However DP seems to be a weak link, so I'm unsure who'll win this.

Either Spectre or the Monitor soloes.

@eisjfiejss said:

I wouldn't say that.

@hulkman123: @eisjfiejss: pheonix force in its white crown form is multiversal it alone can beat AM who was drained By lex and Dr light so his power is finite. MJJ is a limitless warper and can solo team dc

@hulkman123: it

@thanosii: That's what I was thinking as well...

COIE Anti-Monitor solos

Spectre solos(depends on a version)

@thanosii: I agree, WPOTC and MJJ could cause some serious multiversal havoc

no It can't. AM is multiversal hisself and was casually busting/eating Universes. and MJJ isn't limitless, his powers don't operate outside of any reality.

New 52 spectre IIRC has a battle with the Phantom stranger that was tearing apart the multiverse and had to be stopped by the presence.

@thanosii: First of all, he was not drained by Alex and Dr. Light. Dr Light drained the star that AM was consuming and blasted him with it. Secondly, that version of Anti Monitor was the extremely weakened version of his former multiversal powerhouse level. Thirdly, MJJ is not a limitless reality warper since he could not erase The Fury and was weak outside of reality. Also none of the versions of the phoenix has the necessary feats to put down Anti Monitor, who was alone without the amp that the infinite positive matter universes provided stalemated The Monitor, who was as powerful as the those universes themselves. How is Mad Jim Jaspers going to beat someone who effortlessly depowered Mr Mxyzptlk, arguably defeated Zero Hour Parallax, who had the power to recreate much of the Pre Crisis Multiverse, one shotted Thunderbolt (Another being from the 5th dimension) and gave arguably the third most powerful being in DCU, Michael Demiurgos, a good fight?

MJJ should stomp. Easily if in any kind of reality.

@darkraiden: how would he stomp?

@killemall@rolldestroyer

Depending on the version either of team 2 could solo.

Phoenix and MJJ both have the same problem, both are packing tremendous potential, neither have feats on panel to stand at this level though.

He's supposedly Omniversal with his warp and someone told me he straight up replaced Eternity one time because he wanted to. I mean he made The Fury, which could possibly win the fight for him alone.

@darkraiden: ''Supposedly omniversal'' does not mean anything when you don't have the necessary feats or claims to support your argument.

Cool, but i happen to feel differently on this particular case.

How would they take down the PF,it rebirths itself,amirite?

I'm not sure where people got that this is WPotC from?

And as far as I know, WPotC was featless anyways? I recall her holding universes in her hand though, which I guess is a decent feat?

@jeanralphio: that doesn't matter as the Universe doesn't need life to exist as Phoenix or MJJ can't put down Spectre let alone Anti-Monitor.

@reaverlation: PF plays with multiple universes like toys,IIRC I read somwhere on here that on 2 seperate occasions,2 different PF hosts combined 2 Universes and one did it with out even knowing and those are only the hosts.

@jeanralphio: At best I saw her repair a universe as her best feat which Spectre has done easily and beating those who can repair/destroy universes easily and yet Anti-Monitor is more powerful than Spectre.Team 1 gets stomped

@reaverlation: I'm not saying who would or who wouldn't win but you keep saying "her",I'm not talking about Jean Grey. I'm talking about the all encompassing Phoenix Force. Other hosts and the entity itself have done other things,it isn't just JG. Search for and read the whole "Phoenix Force vs Goblin Force vs Le Bete Noir" thread.

Interesting match-up.

I like him, but MJJ isn't soloing anyone

1, His warp was "stated" to be able to affect the Marvel Omniverse if left unchecked, but we never saw it happen. Even so Spectre or AM isn't going to just sit and watch MJJ do anything before they go in for the kill.

2, MJJ is a HUMAN who can't operate outside reality. Spectre or AM can just warp him away into non reality and torment him. Heck Spectre held two realities apart one time.

3. There is literally nowhere he can send Spectre that he can't come back from.

4. WPOTC is more of a threat IMO but she isn't taking down Spectre.

+1

MJJ could pull it of, if he wasn't mucking around, however I believe the Dc team wins 6/10.