idk jamie was able use his powers to change the white hot room something that wasnt warpable
While that is impressive MJJ did re-arrange and then put back the entire omniverse, and was as close to godly as it gets. His warps were explained as being all powerful, omniversal guardians like Roma, Matrix/ Merlyn were unable to fight him, he simply cannot be knocked out or anything unless he wants to, he was damn close to being a god as it gets. It was only his plot weakness, fury and his inability to warp reality were none exists that made him defeatable, but i suppose they had to come up with a way to beat a godly character without having someone like Living Tribunal fight him.
Jamie Braddock powers are similar but to a smaller scale.
idk jamie was able use his powers to change the white hot room something that wasnt warpable
While that is impressive MJJ did re-arrange and then put back the entire omniverse, and was as close to godly as it gets. His warps were explained as being all powerful, omniversal guardians like Roma, Matrix/ Merlyn were unable to fight him, he simply cannot be knocked out or anything unless he wants to, he was damn close to being a god as it gets. It was only his plot weakness, fury and his inability to warp reality were none exists that made him defeatable, but i suppose they had to come up with a way to beat a godly character without having someone like Living Tribunal fight him.
Jamie Braddock powers are similar but to a smaller scale.
good point how about earth-238 jasper you think jamie can beat him?
good point how about earth-238 jasper you think jamie can beat him?
Scale of operation doesnt really change to be honest. The only thing going for Jamie Barddock (not denying this isnt a good battle, just one has better feats) is , it was he who merged MJJ with Fury without MJJ noticing him. Also grasping for straws but Jamie has been said to be even more insane than MJJ so yeah he beats him for being more sane then the counterpart he is facing (hehe i know thats the worst logic).
Its very hard to say who would win, but i am just going with MJJ because his feats are on higher scale than Jamie, and i am just going with the one that has better feats :)
While they have never fought its very reasonable to think no. The reason i believe so is MJJ while extremely powerful, based on bio is still kept below Living Tribunal who while has improved on his status and powers after Secret Wars 2, still hasnt done anything to suggest he would be any more of a match to him then he was during the said story arc.
Pre-Retcon Beyonder is just way more impressive and the only person who could take him would likely be Thanos with HOTU (or anyone else with HOTU its HOTU that matters). HOTU and PR Beyonder , in scope of power , are beyond anything we have seen on Marvel Verse thus far.
idk jamie was able use his powers to change the white hot room something that wasnt warpable
While that is impressive MJJ did re-arrange and then put back the entire omniverse, and was as close to godly as it gets. His warps were explained as being all powerful, omniversal guardians like Roma, Matrix/ Merlyn were unable to fight him, he simply cannot be knocked out or anything unless he wants to, he was damn close to being a god as it gets. It was only his plot weakness, fury and his inability to warp reality were none exists that made him defeatable, but i suppose they had to come up with a way to beat a godly character without having someone like Living Tribunal fight him.
Jamie Braddock powers are similar but to a smaller scale.
When did he warp the omniverse? He was a threat to the omniverse only in theory and never in application, the Jaspers Warp only covered London. His other version became a bigger threat and it was only because his warps spread out it's no different than the Chaos Wave, breaching the branes, except the Chaos Wave was an actual threat to the omniverse. Roma also could not defeat the Adversary and in Excalibur 19 said there were forces at work more powerful than her, she was talking about Necrom and his sliver of the Phoenix and even Meggan was able to tap Merlyns Matrix and use it against him to destroy the tower, and he too was afraid of Necrom, so they are not nearly as powerful as people try to make them out be just because they couldn't handle MJJ. .
MJJ is brought back to life because of Wanda and is then one-shotted by Captain Britain and not heard from again until Die by the Sword, were he is merged with the Fury and killed by Blink. Jamie on the other hand after his return had he power to hold back a real cosmic being.
Jamie should win, MJJ needs there to reality around him to be effective, all Jamie needs are his strings, of which even MJJ is made out of the way Jamie sees the world.
If he really had the power to become God and "everything" as he implied then even in unspace he could have warped his body into his own universe providing him with the reality he needed, instead he was powerless and killed by brain fry.
When did he warp the omniverse? He was a threat to the omniverse only in theory and never in application, the Jaspers Warp only covered London.
X-men Die by the Sword Issue 01.
His other version became a bigger threat and it was only because his warps spread out it's no different than the Chaos Wave, breaching the branes, except the Chaos Wave was an actual threat to the omniverse. Roma also could not defeat the Adversary and in Excalibur 19 said there were forces at work more powerful than her, she was talking about Necrom and his sliver of the Phoenix and even Meggan was able to tap Merlyns Matrix and use it against him to destroy the tower, and he too was afraid of Necrom, so they are not nearly as powerful as people try to make them out be just because they couldn't handle MJJ. .
There is a huge difference between Chaos Wave and Jasper's warp, one was stated to make him a god within his warp, other was just watan wave of destruction.
The rest i am more inclined to agree, doesnt change the scope of MJJ's powers though.
MJJ is brought back to life because of Wanda and is then one-shotted by Captain Britain and not heard from again until Die by the Sword, were he is merged with the Fury and killed by Blink. Jamie on the other hand after his return had he power to hold back a real cosmic being.
Not sure how or why that changes MJJ's power to be honest, specially the part Wanda resurrected him, frankly i am closer to saying "so what?".
Fury were his kryptonite the existence of it should no lessen his powers its just a plot used to defeat someone as powerful.
Jamie should win, MJJ needs there to reality around him to be effective, all Jamie needs are his strings, of which even MJJ is made out of the way Jamie sees the world.
We can agree to disagree but needing the reality was just a plot device to beat him, alongside Fury, not sure how that would apply on this fight, i for one done see Jamie going to a distance universe, destroying everything in it and making it devoid of everything like Fury did , within an unspecified time frame, and take MJJ there. Its more likely going to be a head on fight, and MJJ has better feats.
When did he warp the omniverse? He was a threat to the omniverse only in theory and never in application, the Jaspers Warp only covered London.
X-men Die by the Sword Issue 01.
His other version became a bigger threat and it was only because his warps spread out it's no different than the Chaos Wave, breaching the branes, except the Chaos Wave was an actual threat to the omniverse. Roma also could not defeat the Adversary and in Excalibur 19 said there were forces at work more powerful than her, she was talking about Necrom and his sliver of the Phoenix and even Meggan was able to tap Merlyns Matrix and use it against him to destroy the tower, and he too was afraid of Necrom, so they are not nearly as powerful as people try to make them out be just because they couldn't handle MJJ. .
There is a huge difference between Chaos Wave and Jasper's warp, one was stated to make him a god within his warp, other was just watan wave of destruction.
The rest i am more inclined to agree, doesnt change the scope of MJJ's powers though.
MJJ is brought back to life because of Wanda and is then one-shotted by Captain Britain and not heard from again until Die by the Sword, were he is merged with the Fury and killed by Blink. Jamie on the other hand after his return had he power to hold back a real cosmic being.
Not sure how or why that changes MJJ's power to be honest, specially the part Wanda resurrected him, frankly i am closer to saying "so what?".
Fury were his kryptonite the existence of it should no lessen his powers its just a plot used to defeat someone as powerful.
Jamie should win, MJJ needs there to reality around him to be effective, all Jamie needs are his strings, of which even MJJ is made out of the way Jamie sees the world.
We can agree to disagree but needing the reality was just a plot device to beat him, alongside Fury, not sure how that would apply on this fight, i for one done see Jamie going to a distance universe, destroying everything in it and making it devoid of everything like Fury did , within an unspecified time frame, and take MJJ there. Its more likely going to be a head on fight, and MJJ has better feats.
what is the scan supposed to show? he did not warp the omniverse, the full scope of his Jaspers warp was London, so it changes the scope in which you are trying to portray his power. You said he re-arranged and put the omniverse back together, that scan say talks about the Chaos Wave and how it tore down and re-arranged the omniverse and when it was reversed so was the damage, except when it fixed itself he was still there after he was brought back due to the Chaos Wave.
You are missing the point, his warps were a threat because like the Chaos wave they had the potential to spread to and infect other realities. That is were you can draw a comparison, except the Chaos Wave actually did this and he did not.
It changes it because obviously he was brought back weaker as it took less than Fury and unspace to kill him this time, he was one-shotted, gone for months and then killed by Blink.
You're the one that brought up his weakness to begin with, It applies because Fury didn't destroy the universe and everything, he teleported them outside of it. Jamie can teleport Betsy and Rachel from the White Hot Room, which exist outside of normal time and space, he also teleported a group of Xmen and his friends from his masters realm another plane of existence where time stood still, not far fetched for him to be able to teleport MJJ outside of reality and render him powerless. Jamie sees the world different and was watching things and pulling strings from other world, Both of them have the power to control their bodies via warping and Jamie showed that in his warp he is "God" too when he warped Excalibur and controlled them with a remote control and tv set.
the more current MJJ and he is not even as theoretically powerful as the one Fury killed.
When did he warp the omniverse? He was a threat to the omniverse only in theory and never in application, the Jaspers Warp only covered London.
X-men Die by the Sword Issue 01.
Isn't it Wanda's feat?
I'm confused too, as to why this is supposed to prove MJJ warped the omniverse when it clearly makes reference to the Chaos Wave doing the warping, re-arranging and repair after it was reversed, by Meggan no less.
@LordOfAllHumans: @czarny_samael666: Apologies, i seem to have mis-read that. I thought that was Jasper's feat given i was reading a trade paper back version of Die by the Sword, didnt even think for once it was supposed to be reference to earlier story arc .
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