Vixen.I haven't seen any credible telepathy feats for M and Vixen can simulate all of M's powers.She probably more disciplined with the use of her abilities too.
" have to go with m here. flight, strength, invulnerability, and telepathy are a pretty deadly combo. "
I agree, M should take this. I'm not caught up on current Vixen, did she ever get her animal powers back, or is she still leeching off of her teammates? Either way, I'd say that M takes this.
@Vance Astro: That's what I was thinking, M hasn't even shown her telepathic feats. She let Cortex take over her and her Telepathy wasn't strong enough to get rid of him when they were in the hospital with her.
@Vance Astro: She's used it before. I can't remember which X-Factor issue it was, but it was one of the ones with Cortex. I'm thinking that it was issue 45 or 46.
" @Vance Astro: She's used it before. I can't remember which X-Factor issue it was, but it was one of the ones with Cortex. I'm thinking that it was issue 45 or 46. "
I'm not saying she never used telepathy.I know she has it.I'm just asking for an instance where she used it effectively in combat.
" @Vance Astro: She's used it before. I can't remember which X-Factor issue it was, but it was one of the ones with Cortex. I'm thinking that it was issue 45 or 46. "
I'm not saying she never used telepathy.I know she has it.I'm just asking for an instance where she used it effectively in combat. "
Ummm. *Gets nervous* I can't think of one -__- @Mr. Mercury: Wasn't she trying to read Shatterstar's mind to figure out what was going on and then Cortex took her as one of his avatars as well?
I'm leaning toward Vixen. M's strength is 10 tons. She's very durable, but Vixen has fought against several villains far more powerful than M before. She has much more versatility in her powers, and as Vance said, I think Vixen is more disciplined also.
@courtney12490 said:
She's like a weak Superman who also has telepathy and a really high IQ.
It's not like SuperMan is lacking IQ points though. Besides, M is always said to be this genius, but she's never really proven it. SpiderMan has shown more intelligence than she has, and he doesn't have the money to work in a lab.
@Silver2467: No, he's not, but M has a genius level IQ that may or may not be part of the rest of her enhanced senses. Superman is no box of rocks, but I also don't think that he's on her level intelligence-wise.
" @Silver2467: No, he's not, but M has a genius level IQ that may or may not be part of the rest of her enhanced senses. Superman is no box of rocks, but I also don't think that he's on her level intelligence-wise. "
You'd be surprised. He invented his android replacements. He's not just a brute. He's not the most intelligent character in DC, but he's pretty smart. Also, like I said, M has never really done anything to prove her supposed genius level intellect.
" @Silver2467: No, he's not, but M has a genius level IQ that may or may not be part of the rest of her enhanced senses. Superman is no box of rocks, but I also don't think that he's on her level intelligence-wise. "
You'd be surprised. He invented his android replacements. He's not just a brute. He's not the most intelligent character in DC, but he's pretty smart. Also, like I said, M has never really done anything to prove her supposed genius level intellect. "
SuperMan doesn't have telepathy anyway. That's a moot point. Besides, this isn't a SuperMan vs M thread. If it was, Supes would stomp. Besides, she doesn't have any real telepathic feats.
Vixen wins this because she can do damn near anything a writer needs her to do. Need super-strength (Rhinoceros Beetle 65 tons to Dust Mite 90+ tons), need super-speed (Humming bird 200 flaps per second), need invulnerability (armored beetle, which can take a hit from a possessed Superman), need energy attacks (Eels electrical and Anglerfish a laser-like beam), need someone with telepathy, telekinesis, matter rearrangement (Gorilla Grodd or the Shark), need someone to fight a magical creature (a Dragon) . Here the best part she can combine all these abilities
Hell, just have her mimic the abilities of Krypto with the mental powers of Grodd or the Shark and she solos half the heroes on Marvel and DC's Earth
Her powers are really limited by what she thinks she can do and the imagination of the writer. M can't win against that.
Dont see Monet taking a Majority...Vixens stonger, more agile, has rapid healing, and can become more durable in her armored beetle form that withstood a punch from a speeding Superman. Im thinking Vixens claws would be a key factor in this match as they could easily penetrate M, she wouldnt stand much of a chance agianst Vixen in close combat.
M had good telepathy feats back during Generation X when she was the combined twins, she expelled Emma from her mind with enough force to violently push her away, she also was able to bring Emma (when the threat of Onslaught was affect Emma) to the astral plane to make her see what she was doing to the other Gen X kids was wrong, she had incredible psi defense which protected her from the chaos that Onslaught was causing on the astral plane, even though telepaths like Emma and Chamber were affected. Oustide of that she only used it for communication and it's range was limited. When the Gen X kids were left drifting at sea, M needed to fly out far to effectively use her telepathy to contact another mind, she ended up exhausted and never getting close to anyone.
M had good telepathy feats back during Generation X when she was the combined twins, she expelled Emma from her mind with enough force to violently push her away, she also was able to bring Emma (when the threat of Onslaught was affect Emma) to the astral plane to make her see what she was doing to the other Gen X kids was wrong, she had incredible psi defense which protected her from the chaos that Onslaught was causing on the astral plane, even though telepaths like Emma and Chamber were affected. Oustide of that she only used it for communication and it's range was limited. When the Gen X kids were left drifting at sea, M needed to fly out far to effectively use her telepathy to contact another mind, she ended up exhausted and never getting close to anyone.
Wait, are we talking about the twins or Monet?
@EpitomeofCool said:
m....but not cause of the tp
Telepathy is her best bet, she is outmatch in every other department. Oddly enough, Vixen could come with the mental powers of Gorilla Grood to stop M's telepathic attack
M had good telepathy feats back during Generation X when she was the combined twins, she expelled Emma from her mind with enough force to violently push her away, she also was able to bring Emma (when the threat of Onslaught was affect Emma) to the astral plane to make her see what she was doing to the other Gen X kids was wrong, she had incredible psi defense which protected her from the chaos that Onslaught was causing on the astral plane, even though telepaths like Emma and Chamber were affected. Oustide of that she only used it for communication and it's range was limited. When the Gen X kids were left drifting at sea, M needed to fly out far to effectively use her telepathy to contact another mind, she ended up exhausted and never getting close to anyone.
M had good telepathy feats back during Generation X when she was the combined twins, she expelled Emma from her mind with enough force to violently push her away, she also was able to bring Emma (when the threat of Onslaught was affect Emma) to the astral plane to make her see what she was doing to the other Gen X kids was wrong, she had incredible psi defense which protected her from the chaos that Onslaught was causing on the astral plane, even though telepaths like Emma and Chamber were affected. Oustide of that she only used it for communication and it's range was limited. When the Gen X kids were left drifting at sea, M needed to fly out far to effectively use her telepathy to contact another mind, she ended up exhausted and never getting close to anyone.
Wait, are we talking about the twins or Monet?
@EpitomeofCool said:
m....but not cause of the tp
Telepathy is her best bet, she is outmatch in every other department. Oddly enough, Vixen could come with the mental powers of Gorilla Grood to stop M's telepathic attack
m has better durabilty than vixen.....and she needs to be close to use her tp, dobut vix will let her do that...
Monet is far too underdeveloped to to base a vote strictly off her body of work. When you look at her bio, her powers are a mile long, but when has she shown herself to really be THAT powerful? That seems to be what caused her to lose so many votes.
To me, even though her powers are largely conceptual still, M has everything that Vixen has, but to a greater degree. M (according to Marvel) has Invulnerability, regeneration, 10 ton class strength, 100 mph top speed, telepathy, enhanced senses... the works package. Vixen can giver herself a high degree of durability with one animal (armored beetle) but loses speed, flight, and senses. If she switches on the regeneration, she loses strength and a host of other things. Sure she can switch back and forth quickly, but in a fluid combat situation, I'll go with the babe who -as a fully developed character- would have all of her powers all of the time. Monet St. Croix
Monet is far too underdeveloped to to base a vote strictly off her body of work. When you look at her bio, her powers are a mile long, but when has she shown herself to really be THAT powerful? That seems to be what caused her to lose so many votes. To me, even though her powers are largely conceptual still, M has everything that Vixen has, but to a greater degree. M (according to Marvel) has Invulnerability, regeneration, 10 ton class strength, 100 mph top speed, telepathy, enhanced senses... the works package. Vixen can giver herself a high degree of durability with one animal (armored beetle) but loses speed, flight, and senses. If she switches on the regeneration, she loses strength and a host of other things. Sure she can switch back and forth quickly, but in a fluid combat situation, I'll go with the babe who -as a fully developed character- would have all of her powers all of the time. Monet St. Croix
Vixen is not Ultra Boy, she doesn't need to abandon one ability for another. She can combine the abilities of different animals if she need too.
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