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#1  Edited By KO-Kid

 
 
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So Dan Henderson was set to fight Anderson Silva until Nate Marquardt came into the picture at UFC 102. Henderson says if he is set to fight Nate then he is going to decline the fight and move up to 205. 
If he moves up to 205 and does good and gets good wins then he is going to end up facing The Dragon. Who do you think would win and how would they win?
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#2  Edited By capall

i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko
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#3  Edited By King_Saturn
Lyoto Machida would win this fight... though it could be very entertaining to see
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#4  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd?
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#5  Edited By capall
@KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "

hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go 
lyoto is undefeated so far 
has faced decent opponents so far 
never even been hit or hurt in the ufc 
younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately 
 
i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all
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#6  Edited By killermike
@capall said:
"@KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "
hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go lyoto is undefeated so far has faced decent opponents so far never even been hit or hurt in the ufc younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately  i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all "

Also Lyoto has never so much as lost a round, and Hendo doesnt have the speed.
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#7  Edited By capall
@killermike said:
"@capall said:
"@KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "
hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go lyoto is undefeated so far has faced decent opponents so far never even been hit or hurt in the ufc younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately  i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all "
Also Lyoto has never so much as lost a round, and Hendo doesnt have the speed. "

excellent point i forgot to mention sir
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#8  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" @KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "
hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go lyoto is undefeated so far has faced decent opponents so far never even been hit or hurt in the ufc younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately  i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all "
Henderson has beat most of the best guys out their including: 
Carlos Newton 
Antonio Nogueira 
Wanderlei Silva 
Renzo Gracie 
Vitor Belfort 
Michael Bisping 
Rich Franklin 
3 of those were KO's  
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#9  Edited By killermike
@KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" @KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "
hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go lyoto is undefeated so far has faced decent opponents so far never even been hit or hurt in the ufc younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately  i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all "
Henderson has beat most of the best guys out their including: Carlos Newton Antonio Nogueira Wanderlei Silva Renzo Gracie Vitor Belfort Michael Bisping Rich Franklin 3 of those were KO's   "

Lyoto has beaten good people too. Also Newton sucks he currently has a record of 14-13, Bisping really isn that good ethier, he fight nothing but cans.
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#10  Edited By geraldthesloth
@killermike: newton wasnt that bad in his prime..when hendo fought him
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#11  Edited By KO-Kid
@killermike said:
" @KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" @KO-Kid said:
" @capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Henderson is a KO specialist and has never been knocked out. He has more experience and great takedowns and ground game. How would he get KO'd? "
hendo can be beat, if you want to go by stats then here we go lyoto is undefeated so far has faced decent opponents so far never even been hit or hurt in the ufc younger, bigger and is been on fire of lately  i don't know if hendo will be ko'd, that was just my prediction thats all "
Henderson has beat most of the best guys out their including: Carlos Newton Antonio Nogueira Wanderlei Silva Renzo Gracie Vitor Belfort Michael Bisping Rich Franklin 3 of those were KO's   "
Lyoto has beaten good people too. Also Newton sucks he currently has a record of 14-13, Bisping really isn that good ethier, he fight nothing but cans. "
But not big names like Henderson and Henderson has more power.
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#12  Edited By capall

OK here we go: 
rashad (ko) 
thiago (ko) 
tito (unanimous decision) 
sokoudjou (submission) 
kazuhiro (unanimous decision)  
david heath (unanimous decision) - ok david is not that good 
sam hodger (unanimous decision) - ok sam's not that good 
vernon white (unanimous decision)
dimitri (tko)  
b.j. penn (unanimous decision) 
sam greco (split decision) - he done the best so far 
michael mcdonald (submission) 
rich franklin (tko) 
stephan bonnar (tko) 
kengo (unanimous decision) 
 
hmm, that's a pretty good stat to me, how about u?
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#13  Edited By KO-Kid

Ok, those have decisions that aren't really impressive and 2 of which yu even said aren't that good. Now if you want stats then here:   
 Crezio De Souza (TKO)  Eric Smith (Submission)
Bakouri Gogitidze(TKO) 
Renzo Gracie (KO)  
Akira Shoji (TKO) 
Shungo Oyama (TKO) 
Murila Bustamante(TKO) 
Kazuhiro Nakamura(TKO) 
Ryo Chonan (TKO) 
Akihiro Gono (KO) 
Wanderlei Silva(KO) 
Michael Bisping (KO) 
 
Way better stats than Machida and not even all of Hendersons wins either.

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#14  Edited By killermike

Lyoto also has age on his side.
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#15  Edited By capall
@KO-Kid:
u also forgot to mention some notable losses that hendo has and lyoto doesn't have any 
some of the fights that hendo had was also easy giveaway victories as well
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#16  Edited By killermike
@killermike said:
Hendo doesnt have the speed. "
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#17  Edited By JThree47693

Machida. Hendo is strong and has good knockouts, but it wouldnt help him any if he couldnt hit Lyoto. If Silva was able to submit Hendo, then Machida could do it also.
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#18  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" @KO-Kid: u also forgot to mention some notable losses that hendo has and lyoto doesn't have any some of the fights that hendo had was alos easy giveaway victories as well "
Henderson has won more than twice of Machida's matches and his wins almost double all of Machida's matches.
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#19  Edited By Cross82

I like Hendo, but I would definitely give the edge to Machida. My question though, is Machida good enough to fight from his back if Henderson were able to get the takedown? Everywhere else though,  Machida outclasses Henderson IMO.

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#20  Edited By Static Shock

Machida.

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Lyoto will make Dan drink his pee
 
...And look at that pic of Lyoto, it looks like somebody wants a sip...

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#22  Edited By capall
@Cross82:  
 lyoto is a bjj black belt himself
 has plenty skills on his back pending that the he even goes on his back
 

@KO-Kid:
false, hendo's record is 25-7
the reason hendo has more victories is b/c he been in the game longer thats all
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#23  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" @Cross82:   lyoto is a bjj black belt himself has plenty skills on his back pending that the he even goes on his back @KO-Kid: false, hendo's record is 25-7the reason hendo has more victories is b/c he been in the game longer thats all "
True, 
His winning record does ALMOST double Machida's record and all of Hendo's fights together does more than double all of Machida's.
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#24  Edited By capall
@KO-Kid:
doesn't give him any clear advantage here tho 
lyoto does have enough experience and skill set to win this
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Machida wins.
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#26  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" @KO-Kid: doesn't give him any clear advangate here tho lyoto does have enough experience and skill set to win this "
The only way I would think Lyoto would win is if they exchange, Lyoto would land more shots but if Hendo catches him its done and if Hendo takes him down and gets the mount then Machida would be done.
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#27  Edited By capall
@KO-Kid:
possibly however highly unlikely
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#28  Edited By KO-Kid
@capall said:
" @KO-Kid: possibly however highly unlikely "
That Hendo could take down Machida?
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#29  Edited By Arvinak

Hendo is a great fighter, but I cannot see him defeating Lyoto, Lyoto would probably KO Hendo, nobody really saw Rashad hurt, no one ever really saw much happen to Rashad, and Lyoto destroyed him. Hendo loses and if not by KO, then by unanimous decision for sure.

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#30  Edited By KO-Kid
@Arvinak said:
" Hendo is a great fighter, but I cannot see him defeating Lyoto, Lyoto would probably KO Hendo, nobody really saw Rashad hurt, no one ever really saw much happen to Rashad, and Lyoto destroyed him. Hendo loses and if not by KO, then by unanimous decision for sure. "
Unainimous decision is how I see him losing if he did.
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#31  Edited By Korg

Hendo would look like he was moving in slow-motion. I love Dan Henderson, but Machida would embarrass him. What is Hendo going to do, hit him with the BRH? The mere notion is absurd. He would have to rely on his wrestling, and we have seen how wrestlers do against Lyoto.

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#32  Edited By gunswordfist
@capall said:
" i'll go with lyoto here via 2nd round ko "
Is this a joke? Dan Henderson has never been Ko'd and Lyoto is not strong enough to do. Probably all the guys Lyoto has knocked out our previously undefeated fighters with untested chins (Rashad, Rich Franklin, Thiago Silva) I don't know who would win this one but it would definitely not be Machida by KO.
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#33  Edited By KO-Kid
@Korg said:
" Hendo would look like he was moving in slow-motion. I love Dan Henderson, but Machida would embarrass him. What is Hendo going to do, hit him with the BRH? The mere notion is absurd. He would have to rely on his wrestling, and we have seen how wrestlers do against Lyoto. "
You have to remember that Machida always backs up and Henderson always moves foward so they both would be where they want to.  
If Henderson makes Machida circle the ring like Bisping did then Henderson could catch him, all Machida does is back up and I see Machida falling for the same thing Bisping did while backing up. Now if Hendo misses and it goes to the ground then it would be more interesting.
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#34  Edited By Korg
@KO-Kid:
Comparing Machida to Bisping is hilarious. 
 
@gunswordfist said: 

" Probably all the guys Lyoto has knocked out our previously undefeated fighters with untested chins... Rich Franklin"

Hahahaha WHAT?    
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#35  Edited By gunswordfist

Youtube it Korg.

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#36  Edited By KO-Kid
@Korg: Fail ,
I'm not comparing, I said if he does the same thing. Did I put a post of Bisping vs Machida or compare their stats? No. I simply said IF he makes the same mistake. I would never compare them, we all know Machida would kill Bisping.
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#37  Edited By Korg
@gunswordfist said:
" Youtube it Korg. "
No need to. You're saying Rich Franklin has an untested chin. That's what I'm laughing at. 
 
@KO-Kid said:
" @Korg: Fail "
That's where I stop reading what you have to say.
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#38  Edited By KO-Kid
@Korg said:

" @gunswordfist said:

" Youtube it Korg. "
No need to. You're saying Rich Franklin has an untested chin. That's what I'm laughing at. 
 
@KO-Kid said:
" @Korg: Fail "
That's where I stop reading what you have to say. "
That's when I laugh in satisfaction. 
 

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#39  Edited By gunswordfist

I said it was untested when Lyoto knocked him out.

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#40  Edited By Korg
@gunswordfist said:
" I said it was untested when Lyoto knocked him out. "
That's still inaccurate. Just because someone hasn't been knocked out, does not mean their chin hasn't been tested. Case in point: Fedor.
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#41  Edited By gunswordfist
@Korg said:
" @gunswordfist said:
" I said it was untested when Lyoto knocked him out. "
That's still inaccurate. Just because someone hasn't been knocked out, does not mean their chin hasn't been tested. Case in point: Fedor. "
Hahahaha. What's Fedor's super chin has to do with this? Anyway, Machida hasn't knocked out anyone with a great chin (especially not on Hendo's level). That's my point.
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#42  Edited By Korg
@gunswordfist said:
" Machida hasn't knocked out anyone with a great chin"
What are you basing this on? Franklin has a great chin. I would say on Hendo's level, since Hendo was unable to KO him. Rashad also has a good chin.
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#43  Edited By gunswordfist
@Korg said:
" @gunswordfist said:
" Machida hasn't knocked out anyone with a great chin"
What are you basing this on? Franklin has a great chin. I would say on Hendo's level, since Hendo was unable to KO him. Rashad also has a good chin. "
I'm not saying any of their chins are bad. Just not on Hendo's level.
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#44  Edited By capall
@Korg said:
" @gunswordfist said:
" Machida hasn't knocked out anyone with a great chin"
What are you basing this on? Franklin has a great chin. I would say on Hendo's level, since Hendo was unable to KO him. Rashad also has a good chin. "

what is hendo level? how do u measure this exactly?
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#45  Edited By Korg
@capall said:
"how do u measure this exactly? "
In gallons, I believe. Litres if you're using the metric system.
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#46  Edited By capall
@Korg said:
" @capall said:
"how do u measure this exactly? "
In gallons, I believe. Litres if you're using the metric system. "

lol
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#47  Edited By Arvinak

I don't know why people are placing Hendo on a greater level than Rashad or Franklin, I know Hendo beat Franklin, but it does not mean he is vastly superior, Hendo has never been knocked out and neither had Silva or Evans before taking on Machida and down they went, so who is to say Hendo would survive the same assault? Tito barely managed to get by, but was shut down the entire fight and pretty much did nothing. 

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#48  Edited By Electricity

I hate to say it cuz Henderson's one of my favorites but machida

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#49  Edited By Electricity
@gunswordfist:
Machida knocked thiago silva out and rashad evans. both were undefeated before they fought him
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#50  Edited By lagoon_boy
machida would win here it would be like chuck vs tito machida being the iceman