Luther Strode vs Master Chief Hand-to-hand

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VS

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Hand-to-hand only.

Current Master Chief, without armor.

Current Luther Strode.

Random encounter.

In character, but fighting as best they can and looking to end the fight quickly.

Fight to the Death/KO.

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@deranged_midget - Master Chief expert

@strider92 - Luther Strode expert

What do you guys think?

LS, Master Chief really doesn't have h2h feats outside of the suit

Master Chief has more physcal feats than skill feats and even than they are very,very,very few.

Master Chief beat, what was it, four highly-trained soldiers before a dropped pin hit the floor?

And that was at age 14.

Jmarshmallow

Master Chief dies. This is like pitting Shepard against Kenshiro. Luther cannot be killed and he can split a man in two with is hands. This is Spite.

dude lol Master Chief has nigh unbrekable bones he's stronger than LS he's not getting ripped apart in half.

@cara_hunter: @nelomaxwell: Just wait till Deranged and Strider get here. Trust me, this is a completely even fight. I can represent Luther but I'd rather let someone else have a go.

@nelomaxwell: And no, it's not "spite". Spite is when you intentionally set up a match to see a character lose, which isn't what I've done here.

@i_like_swords: I'm a halo found but I have to admitt the only H2H feats with out his suit I know of is the O.D.S.T. v.s teenager scan

that's pretty much it ever since Chief has been fighting h2h with his suit (which increases his speed,reflexes and strength) and even then most of his h2h battles with the suit are very short.

I would say Luther but its not a stomp. Physically MC is not as fast but he has the reaction feats to keep up. Ultimately MC puts up a good fight but gets overwhelmed by Luther's durability and speed.

@cara_hunter: I don't believe that last part. If it can bleed Luther can kill it. The way of Cain is all about murder.

Not saying that John wins this, but I'll post some feats for him out of suit.

• Even as a child, John overpowers other kids in a game of King of the Hill.

• Chief taking down ODST soldiers like they're nothing at the age of 14.

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• John and his teammates, fresh after augmentation, dent and take down improved UNSC exoskeletons.

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It's in the Halo reach book 50+ drop would not even break his bones but he would suffer internal bleeding (that's when he was a teenager too)

A 30 meter meter drop actually, and this is when he was a teenager and without any armor.

pg.89

I don't know. John hasn't had any hand-to-hand feats out of his armour since his first training exercise out of augmentation. In that status, he killed and/or brutally injured five ODST's which are the UNSC's best trained soldiers excluding the Spartans themselves and he's proven strong enough to dent the armour of Mark I MJOLNIR exo-skeleton suits with ease and that he's fast enough to dodge point-blank shots.

Aside from that without their armour, Spartans were able to lift three times their own body weight, move at up to speeds of fifty-five KM/h and have reflexes so fast that they are able to think, react and see things happen in slow motion. Their reflexes only get exponentially faster during combat when their adrenaline is pumping. Additionally, their bones are coated in a near-unbreakable carbide ceramic.

With his MJOLNIR Mark VI armour though, his physicals and reflexes are increased by a factor of five. John, while in possession of inferior armour has been capable of shattering the skulls of Elites, who are considerably larger than Spartans, in but a few hits, and slaughtered rooms full of Brutes by his lonesome.

In regards to a suitless John vs Luther, not sure John could pull it off. At best, John is a 1-2 tonner without his armour with his biggest advantage centering around his speed, life time worth of training and ridiculous reflexes. From what I've seen of Luther, it's going to take a lot more than that to take him down.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: I thought it was 50 feet lol

Agreed. I'd go as far as to state that Luther may have a slight strength advantage but John has the advantage in speed and reflexes, even without his suit.

It's more than 50 feet. John speculated that he could survive a 30 meter drop.

That's 98 plus feet. That's a huge drop!

how much joules/kinetic energy is that?

Luther is supposedly a comfortable 5 tonner in strength.

I agree with both of your analyses for the most part, but I'm still undecided who wins. There's a few a factors to consider

Luther has better healing, but Johns bones are much more durable.

They have comparable speed feats.

Luther is stronger and likely has better striking feats, but John has the skill and experience to make up for it, which is where Luther lacks drastically in comparison.

Luther

I believe it is over 132.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: mega or regular?

Regular.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: mmm I thought it would be more lol!

wasn't chief trained in every style of combat?

Luther, but it won't be easy.

@cara_hunter: Still impressive for a teenager. By now, John is probably stronger due to his experience, even out of the suit.

@eternalnature: He was trained in many martial arts styles, but there's no proof that he was taught every martial arts style.

I think arguably, Master Chief can hang hand to hand based off his millisecond reaction.

Though, I'd trust Deranged_Midget and YNCG's judgement.

I still need more feats from Luthor to really draw a conclusion.

I can help you there

He easily dodges machine gun fire and tears through fodder like nothing

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Here's a reaction feat for the Librarian

Luther fought this guy evenly for the good part of an issue, and ended up defeating him.

There's also Luthers precognition

First scan is Luthers first showing of precog. Next showing is him using precog on the Librarian, his physical equal. It's stated that with it he's able to "see the thousands of moves someone will make before they move." It's not used by him all the time for some reason, but it's there.

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Luther wins

@i_like_swords: Does the precog work against foes that are faster than him?

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Honestly not sure. But from what I've seen, no. He's only used it on Librarian who was his physical equal at the time.

@i_like_swords: Then I think that that precog might be useless since Chief is faster than Luther is.

@i_like_swords: Chief has done the same. He has reacted to missiles (iirc) and has also torn through fodder foes. Would be a close fight though. I don't know who'd win.

@monsterstomp: I know, Chiefs no slouch in the physical department either, and he's also a lot more skilled. It's a close fight.

@yourneighborhoodcomicgeek: Yeah, sounds about right.

@i_like_swords: Exactly, and its not like Chief doesn't know how to fight. He regularly fights foes that are stronger than him and all soldiers are trained in hand to hand.

Luther wins

Since Luther Stode's been depowered, the fight is much closer. I'd say Master Chief takes it.

Spite

Do you actually understand the definition of that word, in this context?

Luther wastes Chief.

*laughs at my previous comments*

Noob.

he was never depowered.

Unless he's talking about Jordan's tweets.

@gojira2014: @monsterstomp:

I wish me & @iragexcudder would have never asked. Still haunts me till this day.

I remember something about those tweets, which contradicted his other tweets with his artist iirc. Some tweets stated Luther was weak, and others stated he was Sabertooth + Task Master + Spider Sense = Strode or some over powering nonsense.

Either way those tweets are very contradicting iirc.

Pandoras Box?

@gojira2014: