VERSUS
Rules:
- Luke as of The Shadows of Mindor.
- Standard equipment. Darach has a single lightsaber.
- Standard morals.
- Fight takes place in the Death Star throne room.
- Start 15 feet apart.
- Win by death or KO.
Who wins and why?
Quite sure Luke stomps.
SoM Luke, not GM Luke.
Luke at this point has bested Lumiya, fought evenly with Darth Vader, defeated Flint, briefly held his own against Celeste Morne, and should be very much ahead in skill.
Collectively, I'm not sure how he'd fair in a duel against both. So sabers can go either way depending on if Luke can kill Darach.
Force abilities put Luke decidedly ahead of Zallow, and he has much greater raw power than Darach. So I could favor him in all out and force as well
Luke kills them both in a spectacular fight.
@burnface: What feats does Luke have at this point to substantiate this?
Luke manipulated several Proton bombs 100's of feet in the air. He also has some pretty insane TP feats, and rock solid absorption showings.
@dccomicsrule2011: The absorption showing?
He caught five blaster bolts in his palm, shots that were fired at point blank range, and dispelled them with a smirk on his face.
Honestly in regards to accumulative feats I don't think Luke has much of an advantage ( if any ) in regards to the force.
Based on?
@darkdefender: You're overstating their accomplishment. In other words, you're describing them delivering a Force push; it's not that momentous a feat. And lifting machinery is nowhere near Luke's ballpark at this stage. His control, Force mastery, exhibited versatility, and working knowledge, to say nothing of his Skywalker-peculiar Force potential and innate power, surpasses anything I've seen for the duo in this thread.
I'm open to the idea of them winning, but if their best feats entail what you listed, then Luke has this won.
@darkdefender: Of course TKing a trained Force sensitive requires more power, but you're still overstating a relatively basic Force feat. Jedi and Sith land Force pushes on one another all the time. It can be the product of a momentary lapse in their defenses, exploitation of timing, or equality in Force power. It's not that prodigious an accomplishment. If Ven or Kao had outright ragdolled, that is, directly dominated and defeated a Sith on power alone, that would be different. But just pushing them away? Jedi do this constantly. Even less powerful characters can push more powerful ones in varying circumstances.
For power, you're making the mistake of relegating a character's power to their TK, which is hardly the only application of the Force indicative of power. Luke's best showings at the time would be overpowering Vader through his innate potential and use of the dark side, and defeating Cronal in the Dark. Against Cronal, a sorcerer of fairly titanic power, Luke defeated him in a willpower/telepathic/light-vs-dark contest. That's more impressive than just landing a Force push. Concerning TK, he has supported an AT-ST (before LSaSoM for the record), altered the trajectory of several torpedoes, casually pushed down groups of people, levitated himself and Leia from a fifty meter drop, and so on. He has exhibited skill enough with Deflection to briefly redirect Palpatine's Lightning before being outmatched, a feat very few Jedi could accomplish; Force Lightning is nearly impossible to deflect according to Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. That was again a version of Luke less powerful than that featured in this thread. His power stacks up fairly well. In comparison with characters like Vader or Cronal, Luke at his best is a rival for them; Blackhole even mused that Luke is already more powerful than Vader by LSaSoM, something he is qualified to say given his long experience with Vader and his potent Force/Dark senses. That sets a high benchmark for him, one easily surpassing Ven or Kao. Even if you disregarded it as a "character's opinion" (a weak refutation in this case considering Luke did overpower Vader in RotJ, just through a means he wouldn't employ in this thread), his various examples of demonstrated power set him on a level far outstripping anything you've provided from the team, which consists of just Force pushing a Sith, not that impressive.
As it stands, if Ven and Kao have no showings other than what has been so far presented, Luke has the Force edge distinctively.
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