Expanded universe versions. Luke is 20 years after battle of yavin. Revan is before being betrayed by malak. Vader is 6 years before battle of yavin. Mace windu is........before getting force pushed out of a window......I don't know him very well. On coruscant Jedi temple 60 feetaway.
@comicstooge: But this is 20 ABY Luke. His saber skills would be sharp,but diminished,especially his speed(force speed though). Mace is still relatively young,maybe,how old was he anyway. Hard for me to tell.
@comicstooge: But this is 20 ABY Luke. His saber skills would be sharp,but diminished,especially his speed(force speed though). Mace is still relatively young,maybe,how old was he anyway. Hard for me to tell.
He would only be about 39, that's not very old. Mace was 53 at the time of his death.
@comicstooge: I could never tell his age,my only exposure to mace was the movies,and Sam Jackson didn't look in his 50s,so I couldn't tell. Still,I always vote Luke. Was hard trying to think of a fair matchup,to be honest.
@comicstooge: I could never tell his age,my only exposure to mace was the movies,and Sam Jackson didn't look in his 50s,so I couldn't tell. Still,I always vote Luke. Was hard trying to think of a fair matchup,to be honest.
Putting Luke in his mid-20's against anyone who isn't Palpatine is kinda pointless, because he's the strongest force wielder to ever live.
@comicstooge: I know that much about Luke. Would it have been more balanced if it was Yoda 300bby instead of mace? Also do you have any comic recommendations with Luke as the main character,beside dark empire and thrawn trilogy? I have those.
@comicstooge: I know that much about Luke. Would it have been more balanced if it was Yoda 300bby instead of mace? Also do you have any comic recommendations with Luke as the main character,beside dark empire and thrawn trilogy? I have those.
@comicstooge: Right, graphic novels. I need the pictures,trust me when it comes to imagination, I'm not even a George Lucas. Gotta have that visual support. With Luke as the main character,please.
@comicstooge: Right, graphic novels. I need the pictures,trust me when it comes to imagination, I'm not even a George Lucas. Gotta have that visual support. With Luke as the main character,please.
Team luke wins he is stronger in the force than any of them, and at that time he has achieved near true mastery status. If it becomes a pure lightsaber fight, Mace has a chance due to Vaapad but if Luke can roll them over with the force especially with Revans assistance. I would flip the teams Luke and Vader vs Revan and Mace that would be a great battle I could see it going either way.
Revan solos. Or Luke solos. Either way, mismatch. Revan and Luke were both the "chosen ones" of their respective eras and did things no one else could do. The only thing that made Mace cool was being played by Samuel L. Jackson.
@reikai: I actually made a Luke and cancerous vs Regan and boba. Here it is. http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/luke-skywalker-and-canderous-ordo-vs-revan-and-bob-1477435/
Revan solos. Or Luke solos. Either way, mismatch. Revan and Luke were both the "chosen ones" of their respective eras and did things no one else could do. The only thing that made Mace cool was being played by Samuel L. Jackson.
Revan did nothing in lightsaber combat, or in force really, that Vader or Windu did not match or do better. Your argument is invalid.
Revan solos. Or Luke solos. Either way, mismatch. Revan and Luke were both the "chosen ones" of their respective eras and did things no one else could do. The only thing that made Mace cool was being played by Samuel L. Jackson.
Revan did nothing in lightsaber combat, or in force really, that Vader or Windu did not match or do better.
Your argument is invalid.
Revan did nothing in lightsaber combat? Nothing except defeat Mandalores , and numerous Sith Lords in melee combat, not to mention countless Jedi Masters (which he prided himself on killing without using Force powers). Revan was also a master in various martial-art and saber forms. He was a field General who personally led his forces into the fray of battle. Revan may not have been the greatest Light Saber artist of his era, but he is more than worthy of being considered among the elite.
He also did nothing in Force powers either? Hmm, nothing except master the "Razor's Edge" between the Light and Dark side, enabling him to harness the Light and the Dark side of the Force simultaneously and move freely between both forms, something no other Force user besides Luke Skywalker has ever accomplished . Singlehandedly hold off the nearly god-like powers of Emperor Vitiate, in a duel he nearly won. As a captured prisoner, resist his attempt to invade and control his mind while managing to counter-invade the Emporer's mind over the span of three centuries! Nothing besides instantly destroying the second most powerfull Sith Lord in the True Sith Empire, Darth Nyriss, by reflecting an insanely powerfull annhilation technique similiar to what Luke Skywalker employed to waylay an entire army. Nothing except being acknowledged by his contemporaries (Jedi and Sith) as one of the most powerfull Force sensitives of his entire era.
Yeah this guy did nothing....
Unless they've re-written the history books, Mace Windu's accomplishments don't even come close to matching those of Revan or Skywalker for that matter. Vader while infamous and iconic, was nowhere near as effective and powerful as he was before Kenobi put him in his black suit, and by the time of epsiode IV Vader mostly relied on his insanely strong Force abillities. Which was good enough, because he didn't really have to worry about fighting any more Force users after Order 66. In fact Vader nearly was killed by Darth Maul's clone, and only managed to defeat him by relying solely on his superior Force powers. So, for someone to "blanket-ly" assert that what Revan accomplished in lightsaber combat or Force abillites wasn't anything that Windu or Vader couldn't match or do better, shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.
IMO, Mace Windu and Vader are not even in the same league with Revan and Skywalker. To break it down... Windu would lose to Vader, Vader and Windu would be easily solo'd by Revan and by Skywalker, Vader and Windu paired together would still get solo'd by both Revan and Skywalker. And in a one-on-one Skywalker would take Revan in an epic fight for the ages. Bear in mind Vader lost his potential when he was put into the black suit. He's slow and clumsy and had half of his body replaced.
Revan did nothing in lightsaber combat? Nothing except defeat Mandalores , and numerous Sith Lords in melee combat, not to mention countless Jedi Masters (which he prided himself on killing without using Force powers). Revan was also a master in various martial-art and saber forms. He was a field General who personally led his forces into the fray of battle. Revan may not have been the greatest Light Saber artist of his era, but he is more than worthy of being considered among the elite.
He also did nothing in Force powers either? Hmm, nothing except master the "Razor's Edge" between the Light and Dark side, enabling him to harness the Light and the Dark side of the Force simultaneously and move freely between both forms, something no other Force user besides Luke Skywalker has ever accomplished . Singlehandedly hold off the nearly god-like powers of Emperor Vitiate, in a duel he nearly won. As a captured prisoner, resist his attempt to invade and control his mind while managing to counter-invade the Emporer's mind over the span of three centuries! Nothing besides instantly destroying the second most powerfull Sith Lord in the True Sith Empire, Darth Nyriss, by reflecting an insanely powerfull annhilation technique similiar to what Luke Skywalker employed to waylay an entire army. Nothing except being acknowledged by his contemporaries (Jedi and Sith) as one of the most powerfull Force sensitives of his entire era.
Yeah this guy did nothing....
Unless they've re-written the history books, Mace Windu's accomplishments don't even come close to matching those of Revan or Skywalker for that matter. Vader while infamous and iconic, was nowhere near as effective and powerful as he was before Kenobi put him in his black suit, and by the time of epsiode IV Vader mostly relied on his insanely strong Force abillities. Which was good enough, because he didn't really have to worry about fighting any more Force users after Order 66. In fact Vader nearly was killed by Darth Maul's clone, and only managed to defeat him by relying solely on his superior Force powers. So, for someone to "blanket-ly" assert that what Revan accomplished in lightsaber combat or Force abillites wasn't anything that Windu or Vader couldn't match or do better, shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.
IMO, Mace Windu and Vader are not even in the same league with Revan and Skywalker. To break it down... Windu would lose to Vader, Vader and Windu would be easily solo'd by Revan and by Skywalker, Vader and Windu paired together would still get solo'd by both Revan and Skywalker. And in a one-on-one Skywalker would take Revan in an epic fight for the ages. Bear in mind Vader lost his potential when he was put into the black suit. He's slow and clumsy and had half of his body replaced.
With a single comment, you've confessed to not knowing a things as it pertains to Mace and Vader. Bravo.
@comicstooge: But this is 20 ABY Luke. His saber skills would be sharp,but diminished,especially his speed(force speed though). Mace is still relatively young,maybe,how old was he anyway. Hard for me to tell.
This is an absolutely ridiculous comment. Luke isn't even at his strongest by 20 ABY, and he still stomps. Luke only increased with every passing moment after he be became a Jedi. He never decreased in ability until, arguably, into the Legacy era (40 ABY), and he was still the undisputed most powerful Jedi in history. He is currently in his 60s; he is still stronger and faster than Mace and Yoda.
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