#1 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

Inside a warehouse. No one's allowed to leave the warehouse. Fight to the death. No morals. Who wins. Why.

#2 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage. No disrespect, really, but you need to do research on the characters before you make a battle thread. This is a mismatch. 

#3 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it's a mismatch whatsoever. Spiderman has so many more tools than "tough skin".

#4 Posted by CharlieJade (422 posts) - - Show Bio

Cage owns, Spidey can only speed him or try rough him up but won't be able to put him down. Cage is way too hard, Spider-Man only can win if he gets some outside help
 
Cage destroys

#5 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbull said:
" I don't think it's a mismatch whatsoever. Spiderman has so many more tools than "tough skin". "  
First of all, Cage is superior to him in strength by a factor of 2.5 Second of all, SpiderMan can't even hurt Cage. He can't do anything to him. 
#6 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

WTF? 
Spider Man wins easy,he doesnt even need to touch Cage
#7 Edited by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:

" @redbull said:

" I don't think it's a mismatch whatsoever. Spiderman has so many more tools than "tough skin". "  
First of all, Cage is superior to him in strength by a factor of 2.5 Second of all, SpiderMan can't even hurt Cage. He can't do anything to him.  "
Um, his strength level is being overexaggerated by you. Also, Luke cage is completely vulnerable in other ways. Spiderman can blind him, suffocate him, etc. Spiderman is 100x more agile, faster, and maneuverable. With his webbing and whatnot, he can put the hurt on Luke. Seriously, how do you possibly see Luke getting a hold of Spidey?
#8 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbull said:
" @Silver2467 said:

" @redbull said:

" I don't think it's a mismatch whatsoever. Spiderman has so many more tools than "tough skin". "  
First of all, Cage is superior to him in strength by a factor of 2.5 Second of all, SpiderMan can't even hurt Cage. He can't do anything to him.  "
Um, his strength level is being overexaggerated by you. Also, Luke cage is completely vulnerable in other ways. Spiderman can blind him, suffocate him, etc. Spiderman is 100x more agile, faster, and maneuverable. With his webbing and whatnot, he can put the hurt on Luke. Seriously, how do you possibly see Luke getting a hold of Spidey? "
Uh, first of all, Cage can lift 25 tons. Spidey 10 tons. His strength is ahead by a factor of 2.5. Cage cannot be hurt by someone like Spidey. He'd need more strength to hurt him. His skin is too hard. He can't suffocate given the fact that Cage can break his webbing. Venom has broken Spidey's webbing, and his strength is roughly equal to Cage's. Spidey has no chance in the world. Now, please stop this. 
#9 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

You DO realize Spidey's webbing has MUCH more tensile strength. Triple wrapping Cage's face while dancing around him pummeling him with strikes is going to suffocate him in like 10 seconds.

#10 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke IS 2.5 times stronger than Spidey,but this wont help him 
first of all,Luke cant break Spider Man's web if he uses all of it on him 
second,he can easy web Luke's mouth (ya know....web down his throath) 
third,Spider Man can hurt Cage,specially with the usage of terrain,if he can hurt Rhino,classic Titania and even one shot Bulldozer,Luke is eventualy going down
heck,classic Iron Fist KO'ed the shIt out of Luke in one punch while holding back 
Spider Man wins and easy
#11 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbull said:
" You DO realize Spidey's webbing has MUCH more tensile strength. Triple wrapping Cage's face while dancing around him pummeling him with strikes is going to suffocate him in like 10 seconds. "
Not going to happen. Even if SpiderMan did dance around him hitting him multiple times, it wouldn't even hurt him. Cage has taken hits from characters far stronger than SpiderMan. Also, Spidey's webbing has been broken by characters with strength comparable to Cage. Just, please stop this. I'm a huge Spidey fan, and this is totally one-sided. 
#12 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
" Luke IS 2.5 times stronger than Spidey,but this wont help him first of all,Luke cant break Spider Man's web if he uses all of it on him second,he can easy web Luke's mouth (ya know....web down his throath) third,Spider Man can hurt Cage,specially with the usage of terrain,if he can hurt Rhino,classic Titania and even one shot Bulldozer,Luke is eventualy going downheck,classic Iron Fist KO'ed the shIt out of Luke in one punch while holding back Spider Man wins and easy "
What? Spidey has had a hard enough time hurting Venom. He can't hurt Cage.
#13 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Matezoide said:
" Luke IS 2.5 times stronger than Spidey,but this wont help him first of all,Luke cant break Spider Man's web if he uses all of it on him second,he can easy web Luke's mouth (ya know....web down his throath) third,Spider Man can hurt Cage,specially with the usage of terrain,if he can hurt Rhino,classic Titania and even one shot Bulldozer,Luke is eventualy going downheck,classic Iron Fist KO'ed the shIt out of Luke in one punch while holding back Spider Man wins and easy "
What? Spidey has had a hard enough time hurting Venom. He can't hurt Cage. "

and? Venom has a healing factor and laughed after Wolverine tried to stab him,plus he has taken blows from the Juggernaut and Professor Hulk (altough,he didnt stand much of a chance....hehe) 
plus,Spider Man was injuring (and even KO'ed) Gargan Venom AND he made Venom Angelo run like a scared kid because of the beating he was receiving 
even tough Luke IS more durable than they are,Spider Man has hurt people more durable than Luke Cage,several blows coming from everywhere will take him down 
or Spider Man can just web up Luke for some time and then web his insides,suffocating him :)
#14 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

and take easier,you dont have to get so angry :)
#15 Posted by Baddamdog (2223 posts) - - Show Bio

What's up with this new Luke Cage over-exaggeration!?

#16 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said: 

and? Venom has a healing factor and laughed after Wolverine tried to stab him,plus he has taken blows from the Juggernaut and Professor Hulk (altough,he didnt stand much of a chance....hehe) plus,Spider Man was injuring (and even KO'ed) Gargan Venom AND he made Venom Angelo run like a scared kid because of the beating he was receiving even tough Luke IS more durable than they are,Spider Man has hurt people more durable than Luke Cage,several blows coming from everywhere will take him down or Spider Man can just web up Luke for some time and then web his insides,suffocating him :) "

SpiderMan has a hard time hurting Venom, Carnage, Scorpion, Puma, Tombstone, and others. If you compare with how he consistently does against characters more durable than he is, his consistency trumps his few good showings against more durable characters. No disrespect, but if we go by that, we might as well include his fights with Firelord and Masterson. Consistency trumps PIS. 
#17 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

Luke Cage was OWNED by Hiroim, who's physical strength is only peak human level.

#18 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbull said:
" Luke Cage was OWNED by Hiroim, who's physical strength is only peak human level. "
Hiroim has the Old Power, which makes his physical attributes extremely high. He's not peak human. 
#19 Edited by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

@Silver2467 said:
he already KO'ed Venom with a speedblitz and made another cry 
 Carnage is a beast,great healing factor,much more durable than Venom and Spider Man never landed many hits on him 
he has owned Scorpion more than once (getting scans soon) 
Puma? Spidey doesnt land many hits on him and he is on Spidey's level IRC 
Tombstone? this guy fell from a bulding and tanked huge explosions AND Spider Man took him down with a single blow when he used web to cover his hand  
all these guys you mentioned (except Tombstone) are much faster than Cage and can actualy dodge Spider Man's attacks,if they stood still (or had regular speed....it is the same thing for Spider Man) they would be KO'ed in no time  
again,some web on Luke's mouth and he is dead,but you will probaly ignore this point again

 

#20 Edited by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
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@Silver2467 said:
he already KO'ed Venom with a speedblitz and made another cry 
 Carnage is a beast,great healing factor,much more durable than Venom and Spider Man never landed many hits on him 
he has owned Scorpion more than once (getting scans soon) 
Puma? Spidey doesnt land many hits on him and he is on Spidey's level IRC 
Tombstone? this guy fell from a bulding and tanked huge explosions AND Spider Man took him with a single blow when he used web to cover his hand  
all these guys you mentioned (except Tombstone) are much faster than Cage and can actualy dodge Spider Man's attacks,if they stood still (or had regular speed....it is the same thing for Spider Man) they would be KO'ed in no time 

 

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Not really. Spidey has battered Venom/Brock numerous times, and he just took it and battered him back. Carnage is not more durable than Cage is though. That's my point. He has defeated Scorpion, but Scorpion has defeated him also. Puma's just a little above Spidey in physical attributes. Tombstone's durability would be roughly equal to Cage (except inside, where he'd be more durable). Taking bullets, explosions, and high falls and then being one-shotted by Spidey doesn't add up. Again, consistency>PIS/WIS
#21 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

Seriously. Luke Cage is a street level brawler with hardened skin. Spiderman's skillset, dexterity, agility, and speed is immeasurably greater.  Luke Cage's entire advantage is strength, and if you think that's the only deciding factor in a comic battle, you're crazy.

#22 Posted by PrinceIMC (5422 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man is smarter, faster, more agile and has webbing and spider-sense. He takes Luke down.

#23 Edited by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

 
i am talking about Gargan and Angelo Fortunato,not Eddie 
and? he barely gets any hits on Carnage,Luke is going to get pounded all over the place before he can think 
yeah,on the first time they met when Spidey was a teenager,he has hurted while holding back on him,when he got angry and punched Scorpion with everything he got,he one shotted him,plus if he didnt dodge Spidey's attacks,he would be defeated easy
Puma? same with Scorpionn 
it does when Spider Man has KO'ed him more than once 
Spider Man suffers consistenly from PIS,how do you think freaking Hammerhead tags him? and enemies just as fast as he is,the brawlers that cant do nothing but be speedblized (classic Titania,Bulldozer,Tombstone,Luke Cage,etc....) will be defeated by Spider Man,in fact,Spidey had the upperhand against Luke (getting scans as soon as possible) 
all these occasions you named where when Spider Man either didnt get much (if any) shots at all and was holding back
and the web down the throat will kill Cage

#24 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
"  
i am talking about Gargan and Angelo Fortunato,not Eddie 
and? he barely gets any hits on Carnage,Luke is going to get pounded all over the place before he can think 
yeah,on the first time they met when Spidey was a teenager,he has hurted while holding back on him,when he got angry and punched Scorpion with everything he got,he one shotted him,plus if he didnt dodge Spidey's attacks,he would be defeated easy
Puma? same with Scorpionn 
it does when Spider Man has KO'ed him more than once 
Spider Man suffers consistenly from PIS,how do you think freaking Hammerhead tags him? and enemies just as fast as he is,the brawlers that cant do nothing but be speedblized (classic Titania,Bulldozer,Tombstone,Luke Cage,etc....) will be defeated by Spider Man,in fact,Spidey had the upperhand against Luke (getting scans as soon as possible)
and the web down the throat will kill Cage
"
Gargan and Angelo as Venom were both pretty pathetic. Gargan/Venom has higher physical stats than Eddie did as Venom, and he still gets demolished by SpiderMan. In fact, I think he did better as Scorpion than he did as Venom. He's hit Carnage plenty of times, and Carnage just laughs (as he always does). He and Venom have both taken swings at Carnage, and it hasn't done much. You mentioned healing factors, but Cage has one too. So, that's kind of a moot point. If Cage can't hit SpiderMan, than how can Rhino? Rhino is arguably the slowest (in combat, not travel; in travel I think he can run a little faster than a car) of Spidey's enemies. No one's untouchable, especially in head to head combat. How is Spidey going to get webbing down Cage's throat? He's not going to be able to just yank his mouth open, or Cage would hammer him. And Cage isn't going to do that willingly. 
#25 Posted by kitsuneconundrum (208 posts) - - Show Bio

spider-man's skill set is too diverse for luke cage to handle. too fast, too smart and with spider sense to boot. spider-man could use his better speed, senses and webs to increase his momentum and thus his striking damage enough to give cage a ko concussion. Not to mention of the things spider-man could use as a slingshot even in tight quarters.

#26 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-man would win.
 
No offense to Cage, but in this scenario he couldn't even touch him. Spider-Man super-human senses, far superior mobility allowing him to fight in 3 dimensions as well as gear and reflexes would carry the day. Spider-Man is quite capable of taking down Cage. Best case scenario for Cage here, he holds out a few moment, then Peter outwits and webs him in a cocoon ending this battle.
 
Cage just isn't fast enough or skilled enough to even tag a Spider-Man going all out at the best of his ability.

#27 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Spider-man would win.  No offense to Cage, but in this scenario he couldn't even touch him. Spider-Man super-human senses, far superior mobility allowing him to fight in 3 dimensions as well as gear and reflexes would carry the day. Spider-Man is quite capable of taking down Cage. Best case scenario for Cage here, he holds out a few moment, then Peter outwits and webs him in a cocoon ending this battle.  Cage just isn't fast enough or skilled enough to even tag a Spider-Man going all out at the best of his ability. "
Cage could break Spidey's webbing though. Characters weaker than him have been able to do it. 
#28 Edited by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467:
true about Gargan and Angelo,but Spider Man never got the chance to hit Eddie as hard as he does to then,same with Carnage 
Cage's healing factor is preety damn bad :P 
Rhino hits Spider Man thanks to the plot,thats the point,without PIS most of his villains would never tag Spider Man...Rhino,Hammerhead,Tombstone,Octopus,Tarantula,etc... 
how? he webs Cage against a wall and while he is trapped,he webs his mouth or he can web his noise,both are going to work (and no,Cage aint dodging web and yes,Spider Man has a fantastic aim,want scans of his aim?)
and Spider Man has constently taken blows from people far stronger than Luke and kept fighting,by this logic,Luke cant injure him either 
anyway,his fights with Luke (missing scans :( ) 
fight one 
Pic 1 
Pic 2     
 
fight two 
pic 1 
pic 2 
 
Spider Man hurting Cage is not PIS when he has consistently damaged people as stronger as Luke,once again,the examples used are from characthers that can keep up with Spider Man's speed and ,such,arent getting speedblitzed,with enough blows Luke will be defeated,sure one punch to the head is not enough,but what about 10? 20? 50? 
do you know someone weaker than Cage who has downright tanked everything Spider Man had? and dont mention Venom,i am talking about a characther inferior to Cage that has shrugged off Spidey's best hits,you know one?
#29 Edited by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: strands sure, 5 inches of webbing covering his entire body in a cocoon, not a chance. Plus spider-man has humiliated the entire x-men rosters alone. Cage alone won't stop him. Spider-Man at his best is easily up there with Deathstroke as one of the most powerful real street levelers in comics
 
Here are the scans of the X-men fight (got them off another viner)
 



#30 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
" @Silver2467:
true about Gargan and Angelo,but Spider Man never got the chance to hit Eddie as hard as he does to then,same with Carnage 
Cage's healing factor is preety damn bad :P 
Rhino hits Spider Man thanks to the plot,thats the point,without PIS most of his villains would never tag Spider Man...Rhino,Hammerhead,Tombstone,Octopus,Tarantula,etc... 
how? he webs Cage against a wall and while he is trapped,he webs his mouth or he can web his noise,both are going to work (and no,Cage aint dodging web and yes,Spider Man has a fantastic aim,want scans of his aim?)
and Spider Man has constently taken blows from people far stronger than Luke and kept fighting,by this logic,Luke cant injure him either 
anyway,his fights with Luke (missing scans :( ) 
fight one 
Pic 1 
Pic 2     
 
fight two 
pic 1 
pic 2  Spider Man hurting Cage is not PIS when he has consistently damaged people as stronger as Luke,once again,the examples used are from characthers that can keep up with Spider Man's speed and ,such,arent getting speedblitzed,with enough blows Luke will be defeated,sure one punch to the head is not enough,but what about 10? 20? 50? "
Classic Cage wasn't as powerful as current Cage, if I remember correctly. Also, how is Ock too slow to hit him? He has four fairly strong and fast arms. I'm not sure I follow that. Also, Tarantula is a skilled combatant. Spidey hasn't always done well against them. Rhino hits Spidey because no one is untouchable. Again, consistency>PIS/WIS. It's not plot induced if it's consistent, and Spidey's been tagged several times by characters slower than he is.
 
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Silver2467: strands sure, 5 inches of webbing covering his entire body in a cocoon, not a chance. Plus spider-man has humiliated the entire x-men rosters alone. Cage alone won't stop him. Spider-Man at his best is easily up there with Deathstroke as one of the most powerful real street levelers in comics
 
Here are the scans of the X-men fight (got them off another viner)
 

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I've seen his humiliating the X-Men before, but it's not really comparable to this fight. All he did to Colossus was web him in the face and then run. But, let me ask you this. This fight is to the death. If this fight was in character, would that make much difference? I mean, maybe I'm just not looking at this in context, but I just have a hard time seeing Spidey hurt Cage. Cage is far from the most durable character in Marvel, but he's leagues above Spidey in that area. 
#31 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
 I mean, maybe I'm just not looking at this in context, but I just have a hard time seeing Spidey hurt Cage. Cage is far from the most durable character in Marvel, but he's leagues above Spidey in that area.  "
God yes he would kill him. He'd cocoon him, then rack his mouth open and fill his lungs with webbing. Or keep punching with his super-human strenght till he kills him or...
you get the idea. Cage may be far more durable then spidey, but spidey is quite capable of hurting him. All Peter has to do is immobilize him and then give him his dirtiest, cheapest shots.
#32 Posted by k4tzm4n (43285 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Man is bloodlusted? RIP Cage.
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#33 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Silver2467 said:
 I mean, maybe I'm just not looking at this in context, but I just have a hard time seeing Spidey hurt Cage. Cage is far from the most durable character in Marvel, but he's leagues above Spidey in that area.  "
God yes he would kill him. He'd cocoon him, then rack his mouth open and fill his lungs with webbing. Or keep punching with his super-human strenght till he kills him or... you get the idea. Cage may be far more durable then spidey, but spidey is quite capable of hurting him. All Peter has to do is immobilize him and then give him his dirtiest, cheapest shots. "
Okay, but what if he wasn't blood lusted? What if he was in character? Because this fight is to the death. My question is would it be different if Spidey was fighting in character. 
#34 Posted by The Mango (1477 posts) - - Show Bio

Since it's a fight to the death I'd say Cage, since Spidey can't really kill him.
 
But if it was incapacitation, I'd say Spider-Man takes it 7/10.

#35 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"
Spider-Man is bloodlusted? RIP Cage. "
Grim Hunt should be published once every six months with Back in Black as a back-up story to show what Spider-man can do when he's serious.
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#36 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
"My question is would it be different if Spidey was fighting in character.  "
at the best of his ability, the difference would be Peter would K.O him instead of killing him.
#37 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Silver2467 said:
"My question is would it be different if Spidey was fighting in character.  "
at the best of his ability, the difference would be Peter would K.O him instead of killing him. "
Usually when he's in character, he doesn't use his powers to the best of his abilities though. See that's my point. This fight is to the death. In which, I guess I can agree with you guys that Spidey wins, but if he's in character, fighting in his usually foolish manner, I'm not sure I can see him winning. 
#38 Posted by redbull (1396 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes but in comics, most characters are never bloodlusted so you never see them fighting to the kill. If you did, Nightcrawler would teleport 90% of everyone's heads off every time he fought. We're speculating a to-the-death fight here, so the characters are maximizing their abilities here.

#39 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: He'd win, his use of terrain, the massive amounts of impedement he can throw at Cage with his webs, his vastly superior mobility and reflexes along with his sufficient strenght would carry the day.
#40 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Silver2467: He'd win, his use of terrain, the massive amounts of impedement he can throw at Cage with his webs, his vastly superior mobility and reflexes along with his sufficient strenght would carry the day. "
In character, I'm not sure I can see that happening. Since they're fighting to the death here, I guess my mistake was not acknowledging that they're fighting to the death. But in character, Spidey doesn't fight all the well. He goofs around, doesn't strategize, and holds back. Only when he's serious/bloodlusted does he stop making jokes, prepare for a fight, and use his full power. 
#41 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio

Spiderman knows cage, bloodlusted and serious or not he'll win. He knows what will happen if Cage manages to hit him, he won't let that happen. He'll win.

#42 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach said:
" Spiderman knows cage, bloodlusted and serious or not he'll win. He knows what will happen if Cage manages to hit him, he won't let that happen. He'll win. "
He's tried that with villains he knows too, but they've still hit him. 
#43 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@redbull said:
"Yes but in comics, most characters are never bloodlusted so you never see them fighting to the kill. If you did, Nightcrawler would teleport 90% of everyone's heads off every time he fought. We're speculating a to-the-death fight here, so the characters are maximizing their abilities here."

super true,the good guys hold back for sure,in this fight if spidey doesnt hold back cage is beaten defo,cage cant hit him,spideys punches are pretty hard people dont forget,in time spidey wins.
#44 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: one hit won't K.O spider man unless it's a face punch, He'll get up see Cage (who is actually his friend) is serious and end it like he does against super brutes with human mobility.
#45 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach:  I never said one hit would KO him, but Spidey's not untouchable (as he shows constantly). In character, I really just don't see SpiderMan winning. He's lost a lot of fights that he could, with his power set, win fairly easily, but he's lost anyway because of the way he essentially restricts himself when he fights. 
#46 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: I can't think of anything else to add honestly. Based on his victories and showings even when he isn't acting at his best, I think spidey would win. I've made my arguments, but if I can't convince you. Then we'll have to agree to disagree as I really don't know what else to say that would not just be me repeating myself.
#47 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Crom-Cruach: Fair enough. Good convo, Crom. 
#48 Posted by Crom-Cruach (8849 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467: cool :)
#49 Edited by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
"
Spider-Man is bloodlusted? RIP Cage. "
Grim Hunt should be published once every six months with Back in Black as a back-up story to show what Spider-man can do when he's serious. "
agreed :P 

@Silver2467:
because Spider Man can move faster than Ock can see,same with Tarantula and every skilled fighter and Rhino,you cant hit what you cant see,Cage cant see him,cant dodge him,cant counter attack,cant block,he cant do anything here 
#50 Posted by the darknessss (2750 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" @Crom-Cruach: Fair enough. Good convo, Crom.  "

@Crom-Cruach said:
" @Silver2467: cool :)"


nice to see a proper debate here.