#1 Posted by Sheps13 (21 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are bloodlusted

no prep

fight takes place on Earth

#2 Edited by Betatesthighlander1 (7462 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2953 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin, Supernatural's Lucifer is a planetary threat at best.

#5 Edited by Sheps13 (21 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: Character history:

God created the Archangels; Michael, Lucifer, Raphael, Gabriel, and Metatron. Lucifer formed an especially strong bond with his brother Michael. After the creation of mankind, Lucifer began to argue with his brothers and with God over these new, imperfect beings. The arguments became so heated and bitter that Gabriel chose to leave Heaven rather than watch the fighting continue. According to Lucifer, God commanded his Angels to venerate Man, but Lucifer refused, and was cast out of Heaven. As an act of defiance, Lucifer twisted a human being's soul to create the first demon, Lilith. He was then confined against his will in a Cage by God. The Cage could only open if sixty-six of the six hundred seals on the Cage broke. During his confinement, demons multiplied, and some worshiped him as their creator.

In 1972, Azazel possesses a priest at St. Mary's Convent, and killed eight nuns in the chapel. This sacrifice enables him to speak to the imprisoned Lucifer, whose cage opens beneath the convent. Lucifer tells Azazel that Lilith is needed to break seals that hold him captive in the Cage, and that Azazel needs to find a very special child.[1]

Lucifer is freed when the last seal is broken inadvertently by Sam when he kills Lilith.[2] While on Earth, Lucifer, with the help of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, causes chaos and natural disasters. He intends to destroy humanity and to kill Michael. Essential to Lucifer's plan is the possession of his destined vessel - Sam Winchester.

Sam and Dean try to find a way of defeating Lucifer without giving in to the plans of Heaven. They attempt to kill Lucifer with the Colt, but fail.[3] Eventually Sam comes up with a plan in which he will allow Lucifer to possess him, and then force him into the Cage. The initial attempt fails, but when Lucifer confronts Michael at Stull Cemetery, Sam manages to gain enough control to force himself and Lucifer into the Cage, pulling Michael in as well.

After Lucifer's defeat, a group of traditionalist angels, led by Raphael, hope to release both Lucifer and Michael to complete the Apocalypse as prophesied.[4] When Sam is released from the Cage, his soul remains behind, perhaps being abused by Lucifer and Michael.

Before Lucifer's imprisonment in the Cage, he had in possession the angel tablet and placed it in one of his crypts that he created to store his prized artifacts.

Powers:

Powers and Abilities

Lucifer can:

  • Teleport himself and others.[6]
  • Overpower primordial beings like pagan gods and all lower-classed angels.[7]
  • He had the power to make Castiel explode with a snap of his fingers.[6]
  • Manipulate weather. His presence on earth is signaled by massive tsunamis and tornadoes.[2]
  • Perceive the true forms of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, as he demonstrated when he saw Death's true form.[3]
  • Freeze objects. He freezes a window by breathing on it.[6]
  • Remain unaffected by time.[8]
  • Bind entities to his command by conducting a ritual, as he demonstrated with Death.[9]
  • Claims that he would be able to bring Sam back to life if Sam killed himself to stop himself becoming Lucifer's Vessel.

Weaknesses

  • The Colt can damage, but not kill, him.[3]
  • An Archangel Blade can kill Lucifer.
  • Michael can kill Lucifer.
  • If he has the weaknesses of other angels, he can also be confined by a circle of holy oil, and kept out by Enochian sigils.

ONE OF HIS BIGGEST FEATS IN THE SHOW WAS HE BINDED DEATH ( THE HORSEMAN)

also he slaughtered a bunch of Pagan gods in the show with ease including Odin (supernatural Odin)

lucifer vs pagan gods video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Ks59XGThg

Lucifer vs Gabrial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06rufZANUeM

#6 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheps13:

i watched the show (except this last season) i know what lucifer did, his best feats were when he was released and caused global natural disasters, and when it was stated that his fight with michael will destroy the earth (which wasn't even shown), yes he killed those pagan gods who were absolutely featless, Marvel's odin feats dwarf Lucifer's.

#7 Posted by dondave (37333 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin

Online
#8 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer's best feats, which were shown. was murdering a bunch of featless Gods. Everything else is simply statements.

Moderator
#9 Edited by Saren (25671 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer's best feat was killing Gabriel, but Odin wins regardless.

Moderator
#10 Posted by BigCimmerian (8305 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin wins easily.

#11 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin

#12 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4129 posts) - - Show Bio

Lucifer's best feat was killing Gabriel, but Odin wins regardless.

right but he didn't do it because he displayed any power he was just more cunning and stabbed him with a weapon that Dean can kill an angel with, but like you said Odin wins:)

#13 Posted by NeonGameWave (7780 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin with ease.

Online
#14 Posted by jamesisaacs (214 posts) - - Show Bio

Supernatural's Lucifer can't be killed by Norse gods as they don't have enough people praying to them in the 21st century. If fight takes place on earth, the real world then that makes Lucifer stronger than Odin purely based on the fact that there are more worshipers of him on earth and even though it is supernatural logic, it still has to apply due to the arena for this match-up.

Supernatural's Lucifer is like DC's Lucifer in terms of ability, Odin cannot win.

#15 Edited by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

Supernatural's Lucifer can't be killed by Norse gods as they don't have enough people praying to them in the 21st century. If fight takes place on earth, the real world then that makes Lucifer stronger than Odin purely based on the fact that there are more worshipers of him on earth and even though it is supernatural logic, it still has to apply due to the arena for this match-up.

Supernatural's Lucifer is like DC's Lucifer in terms of ability, Odin cannot win.

No supernatural odin can't be compared with Marvel's, in supernatural he is completely featless, while Marvel's Odin can bust galaxies.

Not even close. DC's lucifer can survive multiversal busting attacks without a scratch (and then created a multiverse of his own) while Supernatural's lucifer was said to die because of his battle with michael (which would only cause planetary destruction).

#16 Posted by redbird3rdboywonder (4030 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomps

#17 Edited by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomp.

Now Lucifer vs. Hellsing's Alucard? Or Luci and War conspiring against all of Asgard? Those would be fun ones... :)

#18 Posted by jamesisaacs (214 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomp.

Now Lucifer vs. Hellsing's Alucard? Or Luci and War conspiring against all of Asgard? Those would be fun ones... :)

How can a vampire beat an angel?

#19 Edited by jamesisaacs (214 posts) - - Show Bio
@rolldestroyer said:
@jamesisaacs said:

Supernatural's Lucifer can't be killed by Norse gods as they don't have enough people praying to them in the 21st century. If fight takes place on earth, the real world then that makes Lucifer stronger than Odin purely based on the fact that there are more worshipers of him on earth and even though it is supernatural logic, it still has to apply due to the arena for this match-up.

Supernatural's Lucifer is like DC's Lucifer in terms of ability, Odin cannot win.

No supernatural odin can't be compared with Marvel's, in supernatural he is completely featless, while Marvel's Odin can bust galaxies.

Not even close. DC's lucifer can survive multiversal busting attacks without a scratch (and then created a multiverse of his own) while Supernatural's lucifer was said to die because of his battle with michael (which would only cause planetary destruction).

Galaxy buster against one of God's first Angels? SO WHAT, lmao! Lucifer can tussle with the Archangel Michael and the Supernatural version is practically the same as the DC version. Odin cannot win even with PIS. I can't believe you are basing your opinion off of environmental damage, ahaha!!

Not to mention that on Earth he gets the power up due to the amount of religious people who acknowledge Supernatural Lucifer's existence, he starts the battle full powered and then some more for the lulz.

#20 Posted by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@mightyrearranger said:

Odin stomp.

Now Lucifer vs. Hellsing's Alucard? Or Luci and War conspiring against all of Asgard? Those would be fun ones... :)

How can a vampire beat an angel?

It was kind of a joking comment, lol. It would clearly be one of those "eternal battle" scenarios, but Alucard would probably win the war of the insults, at least. :)

#21 Posted by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Luci (and Mark Pellegrino) as much as the next guy, but HIS Luci doesn't have anything that stacks up to Odin's level of power based on canonical examples.


Not to mention that on Earth he gets the power up due to the amount of religious people who acknowledge Supernatural Lucifer's existence, he starts the battle full powered and then some more for the lulz.

This is the biggest bone I have to pick with this battle. Are we playing by Supernatural rules, where Odin is worthless because nobody worships him anymore? Or is it a Marvel Universe battle, where he's free to access all of his power? This needs to be specified in the OP before a conclusion can be drawn.

If we're playing in Supernatural-Earth, this would be spite. Well, either way, it could be argued as spite. Outside of the God-killings, Luci's greatest feat is pwning a Castiel who was fairly weak in comparison to his latter incarnations.

#22 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer said:
@jamesisaacs said:

Supernatural's Lucifer can't be killed by Norse gods as they don't have enough people praying to them in the 21st century. If fight takes place on earth, the real world then that makes Lucifer stronger than Odin purely based on the fact that there are more worshipers of him on earth and even though it is supernatural logic, it still has to apply due to the arena for this match-up.

Supernatural's Lucifer is like DC's Lucifer in terms of ability, Odin cannot win.

No supernatural odin can't be compared with Marvel's, in supernatural he is completely featless, while Marvel's Odin can bust galaxies.

Not even close. DC's lucifer can survive multiversal busting attacks without a scratch (and then created a multiverse of his own) while Supernatural's lucifer was said to die because of his battle with michael (which would only cause planetary destruction).

Galaxy buster against one of God's first Angels? SO WHAT, lmao! Lucifer can tussle with the Archangel Michael and the Supernatural version is practically the same as the DC version. Odin cannot win even with PIS. I can't believe you are basing your opinion off of environmental damage, ahaha!!

Not to mention that on Earth he gets the power up due to the amount of religious people who acknowledge Supernatural Lucifer's existence, he starts the battle full powered and then some more for the lulz.

again, not even close, DC's Michael has the demiurgic (God's) power which is capable of destroying the multiverse easily, and beat the spectre without much trouble, has supernatural michael shown anything close to this level of power? the answer is obviously no.

hardly means anything to Odin, Lucifer is still only a planet level threat, nothing more.

#23 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomps, Lucifer is only a planetary threat, and he cannot even destroy a planet by himself, only his fight with michael would. Odin's fight with Set shook the fabric of the universe and destroyed hundreds of galaxies and countless planets. Lucifer maybe a god in his universe, but in marval universe even thor could take him down.

#24 Posted by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheps13:

i watched the show (except this last season) i know what lucifer did, his best feats were when he was released and caused global natural disasters, and when it was stated that his fight with michael will destroy the earth (which wasn't even shown), yes he killed those pagan gods who were absolutely featless, Marvel's odin feats dwarf Lucifer's.

It wouldn't destroy the Earth, just fry a good portion of it as Michael kills Lucifer.

This isn't even close to a fair fight because of the supreme difference in power the characters are sporting - Odin is too big a fish.

#25 Edited by mightyrearranger (1578 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: This is why I'm curious if the OP wanted this fight on Supernatural Earth, Marvel-U Earth, or generic unpopulated Earth-like planet?

Because in scenario A, Odin would be greatly de-powered by lack of worshippers (and Lucifer is far better at converting followers). But in B and C: Odin wrecks with no problems, because Luci isn't the same type of threat at all.

#26 Posted by TheIrishDoctor (453 posts) - - Show Bio

Certain things should be taken into perspective.

Lucifer is actually a being of pure energy, who, when viewed by any non-holy being, has their mind immediately obliterated because they cannot comprehend or handle it. That's Lovecraftian stuff right there. He has all the same powers as Gabriel, though he never shows it, he does claim that he taught Gabriel everything he knows and he is a more powerful Archangel than Gabriel. Gabriel can create his own alternate (fake) universe that follows his laws, manipulate time, revive the dead in an instant, and is a low level reality warper. It's just that for the sake of suspense and so that the human protagonists don't seem like jokes, they don't tend to fight this way. They cannot be killed except by an Archangel's sword, so they tend to pull back to just blows when fighting one another.

Is there any evidence that Odin could actually kill Lucifer? I mean, so far it seems that even if his body is totally obliterated an archangel won't die, and in fact would just immediately reform the body and come back. They are only killed from the inside out with a sufficient holy or demonic power. Is there any reason to think that Odin's powers could do that? I don't know.

Odin has WAAAAAAAAY more destructive feats, yes, but honestly I don't see how EITHER opponent could kill the other.

#27 Posted by Perpetr8rMike (590 posts) - - Show Bio

@theirishdoctor: Except that Angels and Archangels are only suppose to die from Angel Blades.. but Lucifer has killed Cas several times by snapping his fingers. It is pretty much understood that a more powerful being can kill them.

#28 Posted by TheIrishDoctor (453 posts) - - Show Bio

@perpetr8rmike:

"They only killed from the outside with sufficient holy or demonic power."

Angel blades are concentrated holy power from the angels. Lucifer's holy power is exponentially more powerful than that of Cas, so he kills him even without needing to concentrate that power. Odin's power is phenomenal, but is it specifically holy power? I know he's called a God, but I don't think he actually is in a literal sense in the Marvel world.

#29 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7031 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin curbstomps.

The Supernatural version of Lucifer is nowhere comparable to Vertigo's, not even close. It's asinine to say otherwise.

#30 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7031 posts) - - Show Bio

@theirishdoctor: Leviathans kill angels with no effort. Eve was able to turn off Castiel's powers. You're basically arguing semantics now.

#31 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

Certain things should be taken into perspective.

Lucifer is actually a being of pure energy, who, when viewed by any non-holy being, has their mind immediately obliterated because they cannot comprehend or handle it. That's Lovecraftian stuff right there. He has all the same powers as Gabriel, though he never shows it, he does claim that he taught Gabriel everything he knows and he is a more powerful Archangel than Gabriel. Gabriel can create his own alternate (fake) universe that follows his laws, manipulate time, revive the dead in an instant, and is a low level reality warper. It's just that for the sake of suspense and so that the human protagonists don't seem like jokes, they don't tend to fight this way. They cannot be killed except by an Archangel's sword, so they tend to pull back to just blows when fighting one another.

Is there any evidence that Odin could actually kill Lucifer? I mean, so far it seems that even if his body is totally obliterated an archangel won't die, and in fact would just immediately reform the body and come back. They are only killed from the inside out with a sufficient holy or demonic power. Is there any reason to think that Odin's powers could do that? I don't know.

Odin has WAAAAAAAAY more destructive feats, yes, but honestly I don't see how EITHER opponent could kill the other.

The vessel can be obliterated, but Godstiel had no issues killing Raphael with a wave of the hand. Odin is divine, that's kind of what makes him a god.

#32 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@isaac_clarke: This is why I'm curious if the OP wanted this fight on Supernatural Earth, Marvel-U Earth, or generic unpopulated Earth-like planet?

Because in scenario A, Odin would be greatly de-powered by lack of worshippers (and Lucifer is far better at converting followers). But in B and C: Odin wrecks with no problems, because Luci isn't the same type of threat at all.

Odin's powers work completely differently than the Supernatural pagan gods. There's no reason to assume his entering of Super-Natural universe would result in a loss of power.

#33 Posted by Wyldsong (5552 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin. Lucifer's feats and showings don't match up to Marvel's all-father.

#34 Posted by TheIrishDoctor (453 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Which they were able to do because they have powers that are holy/demonic in nature. And because they are older. Which is a bizzare rule, but whatever. The only reason I feel this MIGHT be a factor is that Lucifer isn't the body that he inhabits. He's an abstract being of pure holy energy. Which sounded really weird to call the devil but...that's what he is on the show. Not being a physical entity, I'm not sure if he can be physically damaged in any way/\.

I'm not saying that I think Luci would win. On the contrary, Odin's feats are INFINITELY more powerful. And honestly, odds are good that Odin's power could destroy Luci. But if someone wrote a crossover where Odin could not damage Luci, only destroy his body, I wouldn't call foul. I could theoretically see it happening.

#35 Edited by isaac_clarke (5448 posts) - - Show Bio

@omgomgwtfwtf: Which they were able to do because they have powers that are holy/demonic in nature. And because they are older. Which is a bizzare rule, but whatever. The only reason I feel this MIGHT be a factor is that Lucifer isn't the body that he inhabits. He's an abstract being of pure holy energy. Which sounded really weird to call the devil but...that's what he is on the show. Not being a physical entity, I'm not sure if he can be physically damaged in any way/\.

I'm not saying that I think Luci would win. On the contrary, Odin's feats are INFINITELY more powerful. And honestly, odds are good that Odin's power could destroy Luci. But if someone wrote a crossover where Odin could not damage Luci, only destroy his body, I wouldn't call foul. I could theoretically see it happening.

He was an archangel in the show, the Devil's just a name. He's supposed to be a Seraphim, but Archangels are a notch above everything else in Supernatural.

I don't know why - the Gods in Marvel are actually divine beings. Each Asgardian is apparently living batteries of Odin-power according to Doom.

#36 Edited by TheIrishDoctor (453 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, that's what I said. An Archangel. A being of pure holy energy. I just meant that it's a little odd to call the devil a being of holy energy. Regardless of the rules of the show, you have to admit calling the devil holy seems weird. Despite the fact that it is arguably true even in the actual religions that he is a part of. Especially Judiaism.

I wouldn't call the Marvel Asgardians Devine. Not while there is th One Above All who is totally unconnected to them. Beings of ancient magic seems more accurate. But again, that's just semantics. I'm just saying, I don't have an answer for this one.

#37 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio

IIRC odin can manipulate energy

#38 Posted by Rijehu (535 posts) - - Show Bio

I go with Lucifer.

#39 Posted by kotetsu454 (198 posts) - - Show Bio

I really hated how they de-powered Supernatural pagan gods even worse then god of War Gods. That being said.

Marvel Odin wins, as his biggest feat is indeed defeating a bunch of de-powered gods who operate on different rules than in the marvel universe. This version of Odin isn't suddenly going to be confined to supernatural universe and it's rules.

The Asgardians also can be considered holy as well as I believe Thors hammer as a holy relic kinda has completely obliterated vampires on touch alone?

#40 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17301 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin. Mismatch.

Online
#41 Posted by DarkRaiden (7247 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm Didn't Gabriel have Universal reality warp? If so....then Lucifer is stronger by proxy and would win. Also I remember Gabriel bringing a comic book to life, Hulk IIRC. So it's possible Lucifer could do the same but to....say Galactus.

#42 Edited by Dane (10596 posts) - - Show Bio

Gabriel's reality warps never seemed to affect more than his immediate surroundings. The Hulk they referred to was both off-camera and the Lou Ferrigno TV version. Hardly comparable to Galactus.

Also, the phrase 'stronger by proxy' doesn't have a place in structured arguments.

#43 Posted by IamInvincible2012 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

You can't beat Lucifer. Period.

#44 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2979 posts) - - Show Bio

@iaminvincible2012: I belive Micheal, Death, God Castiel and the winchesters themselfs would like to have a word with you. Odin wins. Better feats of poewr and magic.

#45 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by JwwProd (9448 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin.

#47 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17301 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin. Mismatch.

Online