Lucifer Morningstar vs. Michael Demiurgos

I always considered them equal, but then again I haven't seen them fighting that much.

Note to self: Find and read the whole Lucifer series.

Well I don't know.

I'm a green lantern fan so I'll say will can help him get through Michael's attacks. But my guess is as good as any.

(SNIFF) i don't know who these guys are

"I always considered them equal, but then again I haven't seen them fighting that much.

"may I point out that Lucifer is the one who killed Michael...but at the same time that Michael has (with confidence) threatened the life of Lucifer...so, does that really equate to equality?"

"King Saturn said:

"aztek the lost said:

"may I point out that Lucifer is the one who killed Michael...but at the same time that Michael has (with confidence) threatened the life of Lucifer...so, does that really equate to equality?"

As I Have Said Before... the DCU and Logic doesnt always go together... but from what has been stated... both of them are Equal..."

well, okay, but from what you've seen of their powers (not what has been stated) do you have an opinion on which one would win in a fight (the one in the comics doesn't count cause they were both injured and one of them was holding back)"

"King Saturn said:

"I would say Lucifer wins based on feats alone and what we have seen in Comics... "

awesome! that means we agree on whose the better of the brothers in a fight"

Personally from what i've seen and read, Michael. I mean isn't that the entire point, Lucifer is a more wily fighter, but Michael has all the power behind him. Though the Demiurgos confuses me somewhat. But based on my knowledge, i'll have to go with Michael.

I thought they where equal both getting there power from god?

"I thought they where equal both getting there power from god?"

Mike is more powerful than Lucifer, so in a DIRECT confrontation, like a battle, Mike wins easily (i.e., Mike drove Lucifer out of heaven without breaking a sweat). In an INDIRECTfeud, Lucifer wins through manipulation and strategy.

I don't take into account the battle they fought near the tree because Lucifer was possessed by Fenris, Michael was trying to free Lucifer from possession rather than trying to kill him, and both were severely weakened by their journey to the tree

I say Lucifer is the most powerful.

" They are considered equal. They complete each other. Lucifer can't create something out of nothing, and Michael can't give shape to his creations. But, in Dream's words: ' Save his creator, he is, perhaps, the most powerful being there is" (on Lucifer).
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Maybe Their one in the same.

" @m0ntyb0y: but in the comics Michael doesn't cast Lucifer down from Heaven...Lucifer walks out of Heaven by his own free will and Sandalphon defeats Michael...to me it seems like Michael is a few steps below Lucifer "

Didn't Morningstar end up killing Michael? I know Michael let him and was not at full power but Lucifer won. In a straight up head to head battle then Michael is more powerful, Lucifer is smarter.

"In a straight up head to head battle then Michael is more powerful, Lucifer is smarter. "

" @Morpheus_:  I'm aware of one(while Lucifer was possessed). What was the outcome of the other? "

 lucifer only powerful in cunning,trick and strategy because he is an evil.

" lucifer only powerful in cunning,trick and strategy because he is an evil. Mike have superior power than lucifer and michael is also a great in strategy. and who create those two being "

who create lucifer and michael ? and that i write wrong in post

" who create lucifer and michael ? and that i write wrong in post "

" @thedarkgodzz:  The Presence created them(of course). "

" @Ziro said:

" There's no way of knowing. "

ha! this made me laugh...there's no way of knowing any of these battles, that's the entire point...it sparks debate "

I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er. 
And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.
 
It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation.

" I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er.  And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.  It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation. "

"@Supreme Marvel said:

" I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er.  And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.  It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation. "

Lucifer already killed Michael without preparation. Since we are going on the Vertigo versions of the characters. And despite the fact that they were both already weakened, Lucifer was also possessed, and as such, was using his powers far less competently than he would have, otherwise.
 
Point remains, that Lucifer does not require prep to pose a threat to Michael. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

"@Supreme Marvel said:

" I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er.  And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.  It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation. "

Lucifer already killed Michael without preparation. Since we are going on the Vertigo versions of the characters. And despite the fact that they were both already weakened, Lucifer was also possessed, and as such, was using his powers far less competently than he would have, otherwise.
 
Point remains, that Lucifer does not require prep to pose a threat to Michael. "

So, has Michael been seen ever since? Or is has he been completely gone? "

They are both capable of killing each other, but I believe Lucifer would gain the slight majority. And Lucifer has already survived a release of the Demiurge when he used it to create his new universe. 
 
@Morpheus_: Remind me, how exactly did Lucifer come to rule over Hell? I remember in The Sandman Lucifer describes himself as being cast out of heaven and falling all the way to Hell. But in Lucifer, didn't Yahweh bring Lucifer to Hell and tell him that it was the farthest point from the Primum Mobile? 
 
Also, Michael did not die naturally. His daughter absorbed the entirety of his power into herself, so he is not technically "dead". If you remember, Michael reformed himself after he was killed by Lucifer. 

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@Morpheus_: Remind me, how exactly did Lucifer come to rule over Hell? I remember in The Sandman Lucifer describes himself as being cast out of heaven and falling all the way to Hell. But in Lucifer, didn't Yahweh bring Lucifer to Hell and tell him that it was the farthest point from the Primum Mobile?  Also, Michael did not die naturally. His daughter absorbed the entirety of his power into herself, so he is not technically "dead". If you remember, Michael reformed himself after he was killed by Lucifer.  "

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er.  And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.  It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation. "

Lucifer already killed Michael without preparation. Since we are going on the Vertigo versions of the characters. And despite the fact that they were both already weakened, Lucifer was also possessed, and as such, was using his powers far less competently than he would have, otherwise.
 
Point remains, that Lucifer does not require prep to pose a threat to Michael. "

"I don't take into account the battle they fought near the tree because Lucifer was possessed by Fenris, Michael was trying to free Lucifer from possession rather than trying to kill him, and both were severely weakened by their journey to the tree "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Supreme Marvel said:

" I will say Michael solely on the bases his a fit motherf@#%er.  And although I'm an Atheist, I still believe in Michael for the win.  It's like saying Batman will win against Superman. I'd never see Batman win without preparation. "

Lucifer already killed Michael without preparation. Since we are going on the Vertigo versions of the characters. And despite the fact that they were both already weakened, Lucifer was also possessed, and as such, was using his powers far less competently than he would have, otherwise.
 
Point remains, that Lucifer does not require prep to pose a threat to Michael. "

  @m0ntyb0y said:

"I don't take into account the battle they fought near the tree because Lucifer was possessed by Fenris, Michael was trying to free Lucifer from possession rather than trying to kill him, and both were severely weakened by their journey to the tree "

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