Lucifer Morningstar vs living tribunal

Hi new here did I do my topic right?

no you did it wrong

@whitenekron: Yup. Already been done though.

Morals off/on?

Bloodlusted/In-Character?

Versions?

Location?

stalemate

Been done. LT wins.

LT.

LT is basically an avatar of TOAA. How much of TOAA's power he can access is still pure speculation.

Morningstar is similar to LT in the way he is technically an avatar of DC's god/presence/ultimate being, but its clear he contains 100% of god's will...rather being something he is allowed to tap into. He can control matter on the highest omnipotence scale, and is FULLY independent from his creator (yes, the creator could kill him anytime he wants but if you read his series, it is clear god wanted him to be able to rebel and oppose him).

So it's a tough fight really. I think Morningstar should surpass LT in reality warping powers. But LT also has access to creative powers. Meaning he can create stuff rather than change it, which is lucifer's strength.

If LT is allowed to tap 100% into TOAA's powers then LT wins.

If LT only gets to use a portion, then Lucifer should take this since he should be able to bend to his will whatever LT would use or make in the fight.

Tough battle really. I think it's on of those where stalemating is a valid conclusion.

I mean...it's essentially god going schizo and fighting himself.

Even I don't know, LT just seems a shade more powerful......

But because of that, I'll do a CaV with someone about this during spring break, now that would be fun.

After what happened in New Avengers #30 it's more difficult than before to determine where Lt's power level is at. It's pretty clear he's not number number 2 in the Marvel cosmic Hierachy now with potentially a whole race of beyonders above him and the yet to be revealed Rabum Alal(stupid Imo).

Nevertheless I think this is a stalemate or Lucifer slightly edging it. I believe the only beings that can put the Morningstar down permanently is an Omnipotent (His Father) or his own power used against him (Has already happened to a certain degree).

Just too extremely high tier cosmic entities...who knows such things...stalemate...they are essentially part of creation theirselves...it could be like the system...checks and balances...depends on what the issue falls under and who is going against the natural order that of the ONE supreme being has intended...one can go crazy thinking of such things lol...

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@jedixman@saren@vance_astro@god_spawn

Stalemate or LT.

Lucifer Morningstar

Lucifer is impossible to defeat even though LT is stronger than Lucy by feats . It's been said that only presence has the will and power to defeat Lucifer

LT

Lucy by feats.

LT by power.

@kingofkings1: Actually, Lucifer has better feats.

@baron_von_santa: Oh ! thank you

@kingofkings1: no problem. I checked a few days ago, forgot to post it.

@transcendence: actually Lucifer has endless reality warping power from what i heard

Yes. His reality warping and matter manipulation is on an infinite scale. He should be able to give LT a run for his money and quite possibly defeat him as well.

Great post. I think this pretty much sums up the debate. I really think the only conclusion is stalemate, because we don't know the upper limit of LT's powers (and there must be an upper limit, since he is below TOAA.)

@baron_von_santa: Can you post some scans ?

Lucifer Morningstar is the more demonstrable candidate.

It's said that while The Presence is alive, Lucifer's flames can burn anything in existence (except the Presence) as they are enforced by the Presence's power and Lucifer's will. It's also pretty well demonstrated within his reality that it's true. So it becomes as much as case of DC's Presence vs Marvel's TOAA as anything since their respective #2's have powers scaled against their creators.

LT 10/10

Lucifer Morningstar stomps.

This^

Is this show Lucifer or comic?