Lucifer Morningstar stomps. Infinity Gauntlets are universal, Lucifer is mutliversal.
This universal/multiversal stuff is brought up all the time. Yet as far as I can tell is just speculation. Is there any evidence for a difference in power between something that exists in every universe and something that is unique?
Lucifer Morningstar stomps. Infinity Gauntlets are universal, Lucifer is mutliversal.
This universal/multiversal stuff is brought up all the time. Yet as far as I can tell is just speculation. Is there any evidence for a difference in power between something that exists in every universe and something that is unique?
Lucifer Morningstar stomps. Infinity Gauntlets are universal, Lucifer is mutliversal.
This universal/multiversal stuff is brought up all the time. Yet as far as I can tell is just speculation. Is there any evidence for a difference in power between something that exists in every universe and something that is unique?
This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:
Lucifer Stomps and ripp Doom out of the existence. He a builds himself a universe (just a test version for him),Lucifer is pure will and might will himself back from total annihalation at the "hands" of his own power,kill the Midgard Serpent (Dc version),Alongside his brother Michael Demiurgos created the Multiverse and later created 2 godess in this multiverse,humiliated the Spectre,warps Morpheus's dimension and isn't worried about incurring the Dream Lord's wrath......
Im sorry most of them are out of order. Essentially Lucifer will not be killed or harmed by Doom. Yes, the IG allows him to manipulate the cosmos, but Lucifer's ability allows him to do the very same but on a much greater scale. His power does not depend on being in a specific universe. in fact, Lucifer gives up his powers to go to specific dimensions so he won't completely destroy them with his mere presensce. He was capable of shaping a universe and a multiverse. He killed the immortal snake meant to torture Loki(?). He passed the source wall. He showed himself capable of surviving and reforming from a multiverse busting blast from the release of the Dunamis Demiurgos- God's very power. He is out of death's reach- meaning, combined with his ability to reform from ANYTHING the IG does to him, he has absolute claim over his own soul. There's nothing Doom can do to him, even with prep. Powerless, we've seen Lucifer take on Gods and demons like they were mere playthings. It would've been fairer if you gave Lucifer NO prep- five minutes of prep for him is the equivalent of a lifetimes worth of prep for the average man(not that Doom is an average man, of course.)
The person with the most scans of Lucifer would be @aztek_the_lost to my knowledge.
Nope. If not for the fact that Lucifer's power exceeds the power of the IG (Muliversal>universal) then because Lucifer's power is divine in nature and Im not sure how the IG would even work against it.
Lucifer Morningstar stomps. Infinity Gauntlets are universal, Lucifer is mutliversal.
Alternate IGs : Yes .
616-IG : Nope .
@matchesmalone21said:
@Hyper_God: doesn't matter Lucifer still stomps
Already addressed his post .
Come back with a better reply .
No. Hahaha :p
Concession accepted .
@jeanroygrant said:
@Baldy said:
@jeanroygrant said:
Lucifer Morningstar stomps. Infinity Gauntlets are universal, Lucifer is mutliversal.
This universal/multiversal stuff is brought up all the time. Yet as far as I can tell is just speculation. Is there any evidence for a difference in power between something that exists in every universe and something that is unique?
This omniversal big bang doesn't even scratch him:
Nope. If not for the fact that Lucifer's power exceeds the power of the IG (Muliversal>universal) then because Lucifer's power is divine in nature and Im not sure how the IG would even work against it.
Considering that you're referring to the alternate IGs(which aren't even functional outside their native realities) which Doom is equipped with in this thread , your point is absolutely correct .
Nope. If not for the fact that Lucifer's power exceeds the power of the IG (Muliversal>universal) then because Lucifer's power is divine in nature and Im not sure how the IG would even work against it.
Considering that you're referring to the alternate IGs(which aren't even functional outside their native realities) which Doom is equipped with in this thread , your point is absolutely correct .
Honestly, even if the OP put them in Universe 616 or somehow made it so the IG worked outside 616, Doom still wouldn't be able to do much of anything to Lucifer.
Nope. If not for the fact that Lucifer's power exceeds the power of the IG (Muliversal>universal) then because Lucifer's power is divine in nature and Im not sure how the IG would even work against it.
Considering that you're referring to the alternate IGs(which aren't even functional outside their native realities) which Doom is equipped with in this thread , your point is absolutely correct .
Honestly, even if the OP put them in Universe 616 or somehow made it so the IG worked outside 616, Doom still wouldn't be able to do much of anything to Lucifer.
There's no "somehow"or "if" when it comes to the 616-IG . It IS a power that's far beyond universal , and this is a proven fact based on its showings in Ultraforce , and the ability of the incomplete IG to redirect the UN's blast on itself , along with a few more showings .
Anyways , that entire point is moot , because you're presuming that the two IGs that Doom is equipped with are as powerful as the 616 version , when that's not the case . Alternate IGs have been portrayed as being weaker than the real deal long before Hickman introduced the Council of Reeds .
The entire point is moot though , because those two IGs only function in their native universes . Outside of it , they are useless trinkets . Based on this fact alone , Lucifer stomps in this thread with no effort .
Beyonder wins. It's not in-character of Doom to face Lucifer with two pocket reality Guantlets, however, it is in-character of Doom taking Beyonder's power before fighting Lucifer.
Beyonder wins. It's not in-character of Doom to face Lucifer with two pocket reality Guantlets, however, it is in-character of Doom taking Beyonder's power before fighting Lucifer.
And since that is not specified in the OP that isn't happening. It's Doom with IG vs Lucifer Morningstar.
I wonder how many people have actually read the first infinity saga from one end to the other?
In the case we are presented with, the infinity gauntlets wouldn't work, so it's literally a non-fight, but in reality 616, the gauntlet makes the wielder all powerful, he controls every aspect of the universe, every particle, principle, occurrence of the universe and anything in that universe has to bend to it. Put that fight in 616 with the original gauntlet and even someone as powerful as Lucifer will be a toy in the hands of the wielder. That's what the gauntlet was designed for in the MU, to be supreme. That is also why they later had to resort to the trick of creating the Heart of the Universe out of nowhere a few years later to be able to tell an other story of the same kind without having to restore the gauntlet.
Also, this is pure speculation, but I have the feeling that the power of Lucifer finds its justification in the role that he is playing in the DC verse. This function is already fulfilled by other abstracts in the MU, so he very likely would be rendered powerless the second he enters 616.
I wonder how many people have actually read the first infinity saga from one end to the other?
In the case we are presented with, the infinity gauntlets wouldn't work, so it's literally a non-fight, but in reality 616, the gauntlet makes the wielder all powerful, he controls every aspect of the universe, every particle, principle, occurrence of the universe and anything in that universe has to bend to it. Put that fight in 616 with the original gauntlet and even someone as powerful as Lucifer will be a toy in the hands of the wielder. That's what the gauntlet was designed for in the MU, to be supreme. That is also why they later had to resort to the trick of creating the Heart of the Universe out of nowhere a few years later to be able to tell an other story of the same kind without having to restore the gauntlet.
Also, this is pure speculation, but I have the feeling that the power of Lucifer finds its justification in the role that he is playing in the DC verse. This function is already fulfilled by other abstracts in the MU, so he very likely would be rendered powerless the second he enters 616.
Every ability you've stated is also Lucifer's. There's nothing he can't bend to his will except his brother Michael and the Presensce. His powers extend to the multiversal level. We saw what happened when an all encompassing power in a reality meets the IG with LT. Without the HoTu, nobody except LT in MU can truly challenge Lucifer.
And no it's not. Otherwise, his power's would've been gone once Yahweh left reality. His powers are not universe/reality specific unless there's nothing for him to manipulate.
@kcaz said:
lucifer is at living tribunal's level. no way doom can even stand a chance. i heard before that lucifer + michael = presence
The bolded is somewhat of a misconception. Together they can do the one thing the only the Presensce can do: creation. They can create something from nothing and manipulate it to any effect of their choosing. This is why they're usually labeled as equal to the Presensce when combined. However, while theoretically possible, we don't know if they gain omniscience or omnipresensce(although, their very long life spans and roles in creation of the universe does give them vast knowledge.)
Beyonder wins. It's not in-character of Doom to face Lucifer with two pocket reality Guantlets, however, it is in-character of Doom taking Beyonder's power before fighting Lucifer.
And since that is not specified in the OP that isn't happening. It's Doom with IG vs Lucifer Morningstar.
No it's not. It's Doom using two generic versions of the IG. Not the original. That's what the OP meant.
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