Lucifer Morningstar runs the manipulation gauntlet

@jwwprod: Why would't I be? It's only manipulation battle, and Thor is nigh omniscient, much much wiser than Odin and pretty cunning. That's just my opinion.

@bigcimmerian: So is Lucifer (kind of).

You probably meant is instead of if right?

@living_monstrosity Lucifer has an amazing powerset, but he is boring, since they prefer to manipulate rather than use his power. Lucifer is so cunning and manipulative who could knock most enemies simply with a little conversation.

@bigcimmerian said:

I fixed it ;)

Bump.

Stops at round 3. And HOTU > LT.

True

he clears easily people don't seem to realise that being omniscient in fiction is impossible as the writers who write it in the first place themselves aren't even close to that also lucifer has feats of manipulation to back it up unlike thanos and lt who are stated to be so but have done no such thing eg lt abstarcts weren't smart enough to figure the beyonders weaknesses their rather dumb actually

Bump to say he clears. I also wanna say that the hotu and god doom (even with pre retcon powers) aren’t doing jack to Lucifer and maybe Yog COULD do something but I don’t think Yog can beat Lucifer.

This isn't a fight, but a challenge for Luci to manipulate the guys here. Don't care about the comics dudes, but he ain't manipulating Yog. The flying spaghetti monster would probably just ignore him.

too bad. lucifer destroys yoggy

Stops at 3 4 or 5.

He probably stops at Yog-Sothoth.

stop at Yog

Stops at Yog

I mean unless we take The Heart to just be universal because it happens outside 616, meaning it's non-canon, technically if you don't get "technical" it should be higher than The Living Tribunal.

If you're talking about Mianupluation, the guy has Omni-Reality, which basically is Omniscience.

To be vividly more clear he did defeat the Tribunal.

To be clear, this has to be Multiversal M-Body the reason is that unless it was just the Universe he destroyed, I'm pretty sure Marvel Universe: The End made a clear message, that it was a Multiverse.

Now as for Doom, it doesn't matter if his power is inconsistent. His power source: The Beyonder was at the time the most powerful guy in Secret Wars(The original One). He was more powerful than the Abstract, Him, and Molecule Man. In fact, they were terrified of the two.

Since Doom had his power, in this Godly Form, which he manages to Siphon the energy, he should be more powerful.

And Yog should be below LT, Doom, and Thanos.