LSSJ Broly VS Super Perfect Cell

nonsense. He could quite possibly lose, but it would a be respectable fight. Regular cell was facing Goku evenly, the same Goku Broly made his *****. Movie 8 Broly is potentially the same strength as a full-power pre-zenkai cell, if not stronger.

@dratini1331: exactly broly may not be one of the strongest but he did make goku and everyone else look stupid.

Here's how it is;

DBZ Logic: Higher PL wins.

Brolly: 1.4billion and rises indefinitely

SPC: 900million

Conclusion: Brolly wins

Feats Logic

SPC: State system-buster

Brolly: Confirmed Galaxy Buster

Conclusion: Brolly wins

Durability Logic

Perfect Cell: Blown apart by Kamehameha

Brolly: Completely unfazed by everything they threw at him sans Plot-Device.Conclusion: Brolly wins

@reikai: I posted another thread on this topic its a poll so if you thinks brolys better go vote.

@reikai: 1. Power Levels? Really?You of all people should know that those mean less than nothing to anyone at this point.

2. Good, retreat back to the only feat you ever use.

3. Notice you used Perfect Cell as an example instead of SPC? Because I did.

I respect your loyalty to a character you believe in and how hard you fight for him but that loyalty is simply misplaced. I'm done here.

@stupid_people: Should I also note that even when Brolly was in a Suppressed SSJ form, Vegeta's attacks did nothing to him? Whereas even in SP form, Cell was hit and distracted by a tired, beat up Vegeta? Should I have told you that instead?

Or that SPC relied on surprise to injure Gohan so he wouldn't be a threat to him anymore, something that wouldn't affect Brolly at all. It's not called loyalty. It's called having Sense.

2. Good, retreat back to the only feat you ever use.

It's all that's ever needed. SPC gets overpowered by another system-level figure. Brolly's destructive output is billions of times greater than that. Really, SPC is just as dead as the rest of them are.

In cells defense he had just killed trunks and was blinded by rage.

@jman11702: Brolly was beating the living crap out of Trunks, Goku and Gohan, and all Vegeta did was sit there and wet himself. That's the difference here. And even when Piccolo showed up, gave them senzus and let them recover with a Zenkai increase, Vegeta was still crying in a corner as Brolly re-pimpslapped all of them yet again. And when Vegeta finally got his $hit together, Brolly stomped him to holy hell in one hit.

Really, Brolly is the Juggernaut of the DBU. Nvm he has one of the coolest transformations in the whole series.

He scared the Super Saiyan out of Vegeta. That's how epic it was.

@reikai: did anyone die? if broly had killed goku and trunks vegeta and gohan would go nuts.

@dratini1331: SPC and FP Cell could've done the same thing.Notice how it took place before the Cell Games and both Goku and Gohan were not the same FPSSJ?Stop overrating Broly please.Movie 8 Broly is at most FP Cell at most but he is not SPC power or SSJ2 in movie 8.Movie 10 Broly would win over the SSJ2's with SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta giving him some trouble

@jman11702: If Brolly had killed them all, the story woulda been over. Period. And of course there's the comet that's like 1000x the size of the planet they were on. Coulda left them there and they all die and no one to use dragonballs and bring them back.

Really the only one Cell killed was Trunks with a Surprise Attack while Trunks was in his Base Form. That counts for nothing.

???? What are you even talking about? You're saying that in the week before the cell games, goku and gohan both got excessively stronger? You know, while they were relaxing? No. Not even close. Look, we know for a fact that Movie 8 trunks is the one after the time chamber. We also definitively know that the Vegeta in the movie is weaker than Goku based on showings, and that Gohan can go Super Saiyan. That means they were out of the time Chamber. Goku still being alive means it's before the Cell games.

There's no reason to believe they aren't FP SSj. End of story.

Even if cell wasn't going all out against Goku, he was still trying, and still took damage. The exact same attack that destroyed Cell's head, arms, and most of his torso, didn't even phase Broly. Broly is at least as strong as Perfect Cell. I don't think the one in Movie 8 is necessarily stronger than SPC, but he's mre than likely stronger than the regular perfect cell.

@reikai: c'mon cell was toying with them he trolled vegeta making him think he blown of his arm not even in spc form made quick work of android 16 who was stronger than 17 & 18. and only purpose was to kill goku. and not to mention spc broke pi*s*d of gohans arm and needed the power of everyone to beat him.

@dratini1331: For the fact they weren't FPSSJ's?Remember that these are different timelines and who knows what if they didn't finish training?Look I already gave my reason movie 8 broly loses but movie 10 wins.I hate debating with broly because everybody overestimates him to hell.I just hope you don't put Broly in the SSJ3 league.

@jman11702: He only injured Gohan's arm with a surprise attack, and everyone else was brushed away. The only support Gohan received was Emotional from Goku. That's all. So what if Semi-Perfect cell beat #16? He also got the crap kicked out of him easily by USSJ Vegeta. Before Vegeta went back into the Room of Spirit and Time for the 2nd time to increase his strength. And that Vegeta got bitchslapped by Brolly.

FPSSJ Goku was still stronger than that Vegeta too, and Goku still got smacked around like nobodies business. All of them were going all out, and Brolly never even got so much as scratched by them.

@reaverlation: If we assume that the timelines are completely different then we can't assume anything. We have to assume the timelines have the timelines have similarities, otherwise it's completely impossible to debate with characters.

@reikai: So who is the most powerful you think movie 10 broly can beat?

@xlab3000:

What reason would Cell have to hold back? He didn't before. I mean, we could make character judgements that hold no water and say something like "Well, he was being cocky and underestimated Gohan" yet I imagine if anyone turns around and says "Cell isn't a star-buster on statement alone" one would reply "Cell is an android with a brain that is smarter than a super-computer, he would know how powerful he is" (because that's about the only argument I see floating around backing up Cell's statement).

So what is he? A cocky, underestimating specimen of power who doesn't know his own strength, or a super-intelligent android who knows how strong he is, wasn't holding back, and as such, a less than 50% SSJ2 Teen Gohan could match his power with power and still ended up losing?

I think @deranged_midget had a better argument in that, Movie 10 Gohan was less prepared than Budokai Gohan in the manga.

@reikai: dude that was not a surprise attack spcell nearly killed vegeta and gohan (like an idiot) jumped in front of the blast. and check your dbz facts man gohan had help from krillin, yamcha, piccilo, tien, & vegeta thats the only way gohan beat cell, and goku admitted he couldn't beat him thats why gohan did it.

@dratini1331: honestly Broly is just a bad character.I already said my answer and I won't change it plain and simple M10 wins M8 loses

@jman11702: You should check yours. They all attacked Cell, and he knocked them away with just his aura. They didn't do crap to help in any way. The most Vegeta managed was a slight distraction and that's all, then Cell was back in focus. It just didn't matter because Plot Rage Gohan was putting out more power.

None of which matters because, again, Brolly's destructive capacity and power is so far beyond theirs it's ridiculous.

People is misunderstanding Broly's durability here. Cell was damaged by an attack, yeah, that doesn't mean he is less durable, let's not forget that he has Piccolo's healing factor, therefore he can regenerate. Broly may not have been scratched, but a Dragon Fist coming from Goku with the energy of a bunch of weakened warriors was enough to put Broly down. Movie 10 Broly was defeated by 3 SSJ 1, one of them is not even know if he was there. Broly durability is superior to Cell? maybe, but not that much.

For taking down Cell it took the combined efforts of Gohan (at SSJ2), Goku, a bloodlusted Vegeta, Piccolo, Yamcha, Tien and Krilin. And all of their attacks combined were doing nothing to SP Cell, heck, Cell was killed thanks to Gohan being able to unleash all his hidden potential at the precise moment. We can say for sure that SP Cell ≥ Broly in terms of durability.

And Broly was stomping the Z Warriors? Cell did it too. When he unleashead the Cell Jrs (who are almost as strong as Cell) nobody was able to even leave a scratch on them. SSJ 2 Gohan CURBSTOMPED them. And if the timeline was correct, the strength of the characters didn't change at all. So we can say that SSJ 2 Teen Gohan will STOMP Broly all days of the week.

@hart7668: Did you even watch the video I posted? He was toying with him during the kamehameha. Cell got distracted by Vegeta's blast what don't you understand and Goku told Gohan now and Gohan killed him with his kamehameha. Watch the freakin video. If Cell wasn't holding back he would've killed Gohan instead of going back and forward with the kamehameha.

@perethorn: you're gonna get attacked by reikai lol on Broly's power even though Hatchiyack was confirmed stronger than him and overestimates his power beyond what he is

@perethorn: Uh, no, it does mean he is less durable. Having a healing factor doesn't make you harder to damage. It just means Cell can recover from the damage. But even that, as indicated, can cost a lot of energy to do. After Goku's IT-Kamehameha combo, Cell's power dropped significantly.

On the other hand, Brolly's power is limitless and it continues increasing the longer he fights.

Cell did it too. When he unleashead the Cell Jrs (who are almost as strong as Cell) nobody was able to even leave a scratch on them. SSJ 2 Gohan CURBSTOMPED them.

And? You act as though that was somehow significant. Tien, Yamcha and Krillin getting the crap knocked out of them is no surprise to anyone, and Piccolo was actually defending himself because, of them all, he's the greatest tactician. And Goku never got his Senzu because Cell stole them so a tired, exhausted Goku was getting kicked around.

Brolly kicked the $hit out of all of them, then they got Zenkai increases, and Brolly beat them all down again with no effort. Once again, SCP got beat by another system-buster. Brolly's galaxy-level at the LEAST. Hell Brolly did that in a Restrained Form, nvm in his Legendary form.

Broly for reasons already stated.

Hold on a second.

First, Broly power is NOT limitless. Watch the movie 8 & 10 again, that was never stated.

Second, he is NOT by any means a Galaxy Buster. He is at best multiple planet buster-small solar system buster. The Galaxy he supossedly destroyed was still there, with most of it untouched, he only attacked portions of the galaxy and created destruction there, but he never destroyed it. Heck, you want Galaxy busters? Check out Odin, Beyonder, even Bills was stated to be capable of.

Getting a beating by only a ki wave is defending himself? Ok, then yeah, Piccolo was holding his ground. And Cell one shotted Trunks who was > Vegeta. Broly NEVER killed anybody.

@perethorn:

First, Broly power is NOT limitless. Watch the movie 8 & 10 again, that was never stated.

Brolly states his power is rising. Confirmed in his character biographies issued by Viz and Bandai. That makes it canon. States that while he is in his Legendary form, his power will increase without limit.

Second, he is NOT by any means a Galaxy Buster.

Would you like to repeat yourself or should I stop hitting you? Those hater arguments have been utterly destroyed already. So don't pull this stunt again.

Broly NEVER killed anybody.

You mean beyond extinguishing incalculable sextillions of lives and annihilating octillions of stars and planets across the entire Southern Quadrant of the universe.

@reikai: Viz and Bandai? nice sources.

And IIRC, when his power started to rise, he needed to unleash it because his body couldn't hold it. So this makes pointless the assumption of limitless power because his body can't hold it.

That video is the perfect example of how things were misunderstood. Watch the original japanese dub or any other language of that scene and they only refer to the Galaxy being under attack, not destroyed.

And when i said that Broly never killed anybody, i was referring to Z warriors.

Broly > 5 Super Saiyans combined. FIVE Super saiyans combined was not enough to kill him outright.

Super Saiyan 2 is only double the power of Super Saiyan 1. In movie 10, the combined power of SSJ2 Gohan + SSJ2 Goku + SSj1 Goten is literallyexactly the same as the combined power Goku held during movie 8 against Broly. 5 Super Saiyan 1's combined is the exact same as two Super Saiyan 2's + SSj1 Goten. EXACTLY the same. Any two super saiyans combined = SSJ2. Since there were 5 originally in movie 8 and Broly still survived it, he is stronger than two and a half super saiyan 2's combined. MUCH stronger than Perfect Cell in movie 8. He probably got a Zenkai after that and became even stronger by movie 10.

Perfect Cell was killed by just one Super Saiyan 2. Cell is going to get obliterated by Broly casually. He is roughly on par with SSJ2 Gohan and Broly withstood the power of more than double the power that took out Cell.

@p0rtal: ? Goku nor Gohan were SSJ 2 with the Kamehameha thing if that's what you referring to, all 3 of them were just regular SSJ.

Also on a little unrelated note, did anyone else notice that Base Gohan actually did better against Broly then when he was transformed??

Gohan didn't even really fight Broly when he was transformed...looking at it now, I don't really even see the point now in having Gohan transform because barely anything happened when he was.

@p0rtal: The Cell jrs were powerful as cell and beating up the z fighters yet SSJ2 Gohan one shoted them all.There can be 10 SSJ3 Gokus but get destroyed by Super Buu.Movie 8 Broly would get destroyed by SPC.Movie 10 Broly would win though

Broly Pre Zenkai > 5 Super Saiyans, or two Super Saiyan 2's plus a half

Broly Post Zenkai > 3 Super Saiyans or a Super Saiyan 2 plus an extra 50%

SSJ2 Gohan during Cell Games > Cell > SSJ2 Gohan during his teen years

Don;t believe Gohan was SSJ2? Fine, no problem. Lets try that version too

SSj1 Gohan + SSJ1 Goku + SSJ1 Goten = Super Saiyan 2 + another 50%. It is in the ball park of being able to compare to and obliterate Perfect Cell.

Dont Believe Goku was really there? Fine, lets use that one as well

SSJ1 Gohan + SSj1 Goten = SSJ2 roughly. Still wasn't enough to break Brolys defense, yet is enough to incinerate Perfect Cell.

In DBZ, you can waste someone 4x your own power level, piccolo wasted radditz. Broly tanked the final blast and his defense held up firm for seconds. This means he is more than 4x as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 at the very least and OH MY GOSH would you look at that...broly is 4x a super saiyan 2? Hmm, where have I heard that before? Oh right, SSJ3 is officially 4x as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2. The Writers and Toriama calculated all that out years ago, it was setup perfectly and the estimatations I have are almost 100% accurate.

Broly is literally 4x as strong as Perfect Cell and Super Saiyan 2 in general. Maybe a bit less if you used SSJ2 Gohan during the cell games because he was stronger than himself later on in his teens. But, thats not the case. Gohan was SSJ2 in movie 10, he never lost the ability and people are using animated movie logic with manga logic and neither ever follow the other. In a windy situation, you probably cannot tell an ssj2 and ssj1 hair apart, nor do SSJ2s always have lightning around them.

The Cell Jrs were probably a quarter the strength of Cell himself, taking on weakened Z warriors and beating them. Gohan is capable of outputting 32x more power than any Cell Jr. If Cell Jrs are 1/4 Cell himself. Where does this logic come from? That you can kill someone 4x as powerful as you. So, mutliple everything by 4x and you have a base reading for the potential Gohan is capable of when he was fighting the Cell Jrs, he took them out like it was nothing at all.

ehhhh I'd argue that o.0 Broly is almost Buu level.

@nighthunder: then you would be wrong my friend for suggesting that idea.Broly at best is High SSJ2 Tier and would die to every Buu(except good buu who wins in a good fight.)

@nighthunder:

I'd argue against that, but i'm not going to get into it. Broly arguments are very tedious and often end up hostile more times than not.

@reaverlation: ehh i disagree. Broly is galactic level, ssj2 is cell+ level at best.

@nighthunder: power levels are everything.frieza destroyed a planet like trash but get obliterated by Ultimate Gohan.Bills is supposed to be galactic level but get annihilated by omega shenron.

@reaverlation:

@reaverlation: Hey dude in trying to keep the mood nice so when you read this, take it as a joke. But can i simply ask..

Are you high? I only ask because most of everything you said did not correlate....ate all

@nighthunder: no no not at all.just don't want people getting the wrong idea about DBZ and Broly.I'm not trying to come off that way (or high lol I'm clean).Just people like Reikai who believe Broly can take on SSJ4 Gogeta or Frieza can beat SSJ Vegito because it is frustrating really especially with Broly taking on Buu saga powerhouses where he doesn't belong.

@reaverlation: i sorta..see. And i disagree with broly being able to take ssj4 gogeta or freiza beating vegito, BUT, i do think he's atleast low buu saga level.

@nighthunder: Everyone has their opinions. However, Brolly wrecked 1/4th the universe. I doubt even the Writers realize what they hell they made him accomplish with that. Majin Buu spent several years eliminating planets within a single galaxy. While Brolly accomplished cosmic-level decimation in a matter of seconds.

GT is just filled with nothing but Hyperbole. There is nothing backing their power claims and craptons more indicating how weak and vulnerable they are. I mean, cripes, they get knocked around by guys who use Music to control them.

@reikai: i don't reall a fulll power gt kid goku getting knocked around by the para-para brothers. And besides, goku couldn't overcome magic, not like its low showing.

And besides, gt kid goku also has the best featgoku ever did, busting a hole through a dimenson.

@nighthunder: PPB weren't using magic from what I could tell. It was tech. And the whole thing with being incapable of destroying Luud unless ya hit its nucleus inside and out was pathetic. As far as dimension hole, that's not much of a feat. That pocket dimension was already collapsing. Nvm what he did made no sense at all, considering he could've just used IT to get out of there and back to Old Kai or wherever rather easily.

Still, the very abity to focus your ki and break through a hole in reality is still impressive/ and i thought that world prevented him from doing certain things i thought.

@nighthunder: see this is what I mean.saying things like GT characters lose to Broccoli.Reikai believes that GT Characters didn't destroyed galaxies or universes that they are weak.Thats why he says that Omega shenron and SSJ4 Gogeta lose to broly or other homebase absurd things of that manner.

@reaverlation: well..yeah....

@nighthunder: We got mages and magic users who can cross dimensions with ease and create pocket spaces. Doesn't make them more powerful than Goku and certainly not universe busters. Hell, Mukuro in YYH can cut the entire 3rd dimension with her fingers. Could she beat Goku? Not likely.

reaverlation and those like him tend to greatly over exaggerate GT's abilities. The entire series is hyperbole with no evidence whatsoever to back it. Nobody would believe Thanos had FTL reflexes until we proved it by showing how often he smacks notable FTL'ers around all the time, who even make note of their speed and have proven their status multiple times.

Hell, nobody believe Vampire Hunter D could pwn Jedi because they only ever saw the animated feather films. Wasn't until I showed up with statements from the novels that they all quieted down and ran scared. Claims of power tend to have very little meaning without the proof to back it.