LSSJ BROLY VS MAJIN VEGETA

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BROLY

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MAJIN VEGETA

I dunno, probably Vegeta? I don't think Broly should be much more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan (who was more powerful than all the other Z fighters combined, which was what beat Broly), and Majin Vegeta surpasses him in skill, power, and ruthlessness.

This was already answered in the other thread. They all die. Brolly is literally the most powerful figure in the DBU next to the Gods of Destruction. Brolly destroyed a galaxy. Neither Cell nor Buu nor Gohan nor any of the others ever came anything close to that level of destructive force.

IIRC, he was Destroying Planet by PLANET, he did not one shot any Galaxy.

@overlordarhas said:

Incorrect. That was Majin Buu who only destroyed a galaxy planet by planet as explained by the Supreme Kai during the Buu Saga. No such statement was ever made concerning Brolly, nor was it implied. And the fact that King Kai's reaction immediately followed the South Galaxy's destruction means it happened just that moment and was not gradual.

*face palm*

Broly, at Legendary Super Saiyan mode, is not more powerful than Majin Vegeta, who is, at least Super Saiyan 2 power levels. Broly is not beating Vegeta, no matter the "consensus" of other fans.

@herecomestheboom_headshot said:

It's not a consensus. It's a fact. Majin Vegeta = SS2 Goku

LSSJ Brolly >>> SS2 Goku, SS2 Gohan and SSJ Goten.

That's the fact of the matter. Vegeta never displayed anything that would even remotely place him on Brolly's level. Even by Power Scaling, Majin Vegeta would only be slightly above a System-Buster like Cell. Brolly is still a Galaxy Buster, placing him leagues beyond any of them.

@reikai: Wasn't Broly beaten the second time around by just the weaker SSJ2 Teen Gohan (weaker relative to him when he fought Cell) and SSJ Goten? I thought Goku was only there in spirit.

Broly should win.

No, it's consensus of fans. For it to be a fact, Toriyama must claim it. And he hasn't. And Broly is not a galaxy buster - he would have to literally destroy a galaxy to do that. Destroying every planet in a galaxy does not indicate Broly as a galaxy buster. Again, Broly is not more powerful than Majin Vegeta, who fought almost evenly with a Super Saiyan 2 Goku (arguably stronger, considering it wasn't the first time he went SSJ2 - so that's an understatement).

Well Goku nearly has his ass handed to him.

Of course, he hadn't transformed to Super Saiyan 2, yet.

And brings up another point. In the new movie, Goku absorbs the energy of 6 Super Saiyans. After doing so, he transformed into Super Saiyan God mode. The did the exact same thing in the Broly movie, powered Goku up so immensely that he became powerful enough to one-shot Broly. But, he hadn't transformed into Super Saiyan 2. He still one-shot Broly, in his Legendary Super Saiyan form. Yes, Broly somehow survived for his second movie, and it took Gohan (who hadn't trained in a few years and wasn't on par with his original Super Saiyan 2 power level), Goten (at Super Saiyan), and spiritual help from Goku (who wasn't actually there physically helping them), to blast Broly into the Sun.

So, we have a non-SSJ2 Gohan (perhaps SSJ 1.75), and Goten (SSJ 1.5) = should be roughly SSJ 2.5 between them taking finishing Broly. Why do I say Vegeta wins? Because his Majin enhancement made him stronger than a SSJ2 base form Goku (since Goku had already transformed into SSJ3 before, his power level would be very much higher than a base SSJ2).

By the SAIYAN BIO, they get stronger when they recover from a fatal injury.

So, Broly by surviving New Vegeta in Second Coming means that he is stronger than before :)

No, it's consensus of fans. For it to be a fact, Toriyama must claim it. And he hasn't. And Broly is not a galaxy buster - he would have to literally destroy a galaxy to do that.

I'm finding it hard to believe you know anything about the subject matter when the opening of the movie clearly proves this to us. And this was done while Brolly was in a Restrained Super Saiyan form.

No. Goku was there since Goten made a wish and the Dragonballs made it happen, which is why they were gone when everything was over. It's not like with Cell when Gohan was receiving Telepathic support from Goku. Goku was physically there, and everyone saw him, including Brolly.

The three of them were still losing until another Plot-Device was thrown in via Kid Trunks somehow managing to disrupt Brolly's energy boost to his attack. Something that shouldn't have in any way worked at all, but since it's a Plot-Device, it doesn't have to make sense.

The did the exact same thing in the Broly movie, powered Goku up so immensely that he became powerful enough to one-shot Broly. But, he hadn't transformed into Super Saiyan 2.

Irrelevant. The amount of energy in ones body has nothing to do with the ability to turn into a SS2. The transformations are a multiplication of ones power. What they were doing with Goku was an Addition to his power. If we tried to follow your line of thinking then every SSJ would only have a max PL of 150mil because that's what Goku had when he first went SSJ on Namek. Which would mean Cooler should've violated him utterly since his PL was 470mil in Ultimate Form.

And all Goku did was injure Brolly. That's all he could do. It was a One Time move. He wouldn't have the power for a second strike. Which is more similar to him facing King Piccolo in Dragon Ball and putting all his energy into one fist to finally win. However, all he did was injure Brolly enough for them to escape the planets destruction and Goku used Instant Transmission to teleport them all aboard the Capsule Corp spaceship Piccolo brought with him, believing Brolly would did when the Comet obliterated the planet. Clearly they were wrong.

Broly wins

Wasn't the one shot due to a wound Broly took as a child and Goku just got a lucky enough to hit that exact spot?

Gonna go with the guy who's power is Maximum.

since when?

it is just a rumor spread by borly's fans

broly never destroy the galaxy in fact the galaxy was still there in the movie

broly is just a little bit stronger than a ssj

ssj2 vegeta is gonna ko broly with 1 blast

@reikai: I dont understand how Majin Vegeta = SS2. That in itself makes no sense. Goku was SS2 and Majin Vegeta reach SS2 by Buu Saga.

Goku already mastered SS3.

So when did Vegeta become SS2 if not all his training post Cell Saga? I mean your saying he was never SS2. We all know that is a lie. He was SS2 and never reached 3.

@cadencev2 said:

No I was merely stating that Majin Vegeta is equal in power to SS2 Goku. Vegeta himself stated he knew Goku was stronger than him so he allowed himself to get cursed by Babidi in order to receive a power boost so he could fight equally with Goku. Vegeta could go SS2, but would still be weaker than SS2 Goku, hence Majin Vegeta = SS2 Goku.

THIS

Broly's a boss. He wins.

@reikai: Ok I see now. I thought you meant he Majin Vegeta was merely equal SS2 level in general.

I also remember from the Show that Goku as a Spirit was capable of using more energy where his living body drains to fast, also since he was already SS3 I believe he had a leg up in SS2 form vs Vegeta SS2 form due to that and the fact he needed less energy as a Ghost.

Partly. However, because Goku was 'dead' and in the Living World, his energy was Limited. Goku could only remain on Earth for a certain period of time and using SS3 to hold off Fat Buu was drastically draining away his remaining time.

That wasn't an issue in Otherworld. However, during the fight with Kid Buu when Goku was trying to regather his energy in SS3 form, it was shown the energy drain was more substantial because he was Alive again thanks to Elder Kai restoring Goku's life.

I knew you would use that scene.

The opening scene doesn't clearly prove anything. If it clearly proved anything, we would see Broly generating an energy ball and tossing it into the middle of the Galaxy, thus watching it explode. We would not see what we actually do see in that the Galaxy seemingly ate itself from the middle and spread toward the ends. In fact, I hate to be the beater of bad news, but that was used to exaggerate Broly's power metaphorically - if it was literal, there would be more destructive forces at play.

Since when was energy not an integral, adamant part of the series? Energy has everything to do with transforming. It's how Gohan transformed into a Super Saiyan 2; Gohan received a huge energy boost (dormant within him until anger broke his restraints) when Cell dropped a foot on 16's head. Gohan unleashed the full extent of his power when facing Cell in a Kamehameha bout. How energy works with Dragon Ball characters is that many of them already have the energy inside them, it's just locked in a spiritual box and unlocked when absolutely needed. It shows this multiple times in the series. Multiplying one's energy through transformation and having energy added to one's own energy is the same thing.

If the galaxy isn't literally destroyed then how do you explain what's happening in the intro? Even in the movie, King Kai says his own galaxy was at risk. Goku also states that Broly destroyed that galaxy later on too. You can't just assume that a scene in the movie is an exaggeration without having evidence.

Broly was also able to dominate an SS2 Gohan so he's at least in Maijin Vegeta's league. Just based on the galaxy busting I'd give him the edge.

I'm not assuming. I already explained why.

No, he wasn't able to. Gohan was weaker in his SSJ2 form against Broly, because he hadn't transformed in so long. That's an on-going issue in the series, which is stated many times throughout the Anime and Manga. If someone goes too long without transforming, they grow weaker and begin losing the ability.

The scene is showing over the course of time, the galaxy being wrecked only sped up, notice in the scene you see that it is broken up, its not destroyed instantly. No one wants to watch planets being destroyed for some odd amount of time...not to mention while King Kai says it is gone...he doesn't specify how its done or how long it took. All he says that it is gone, which could mean different things.

King Kai's reaction being IMMEDIATE to the destruction means it Just Happened and wasn't over a period of time. Nowhere was it ever stated or even hinted at that it was over time like with Kid Buu.

If you're saying that Broly destroyed a spiral galaxy over time then you're saying he destroyed a galaxy of a few hundred billion stars over a few years. That Broly absolutely destroyed Vegeta via speed blitz then. Ironically by trying to make the galaxy feat weaker you're actually making it far more impressive.

Spovovich and Yamu displayed a degree if "immortality", ie putting a broken neck back. I assume Majin Vegeta would share this trait, thoughts?

@reikai: when does a galaxy spin that fast in 13 seconds. rssj broly is not a galaxy buster. even in the middle of the movie Broly destroyed planets before heeven got the device on his head when he was a child. even as a adult lssj Broly only destroyed a planet. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD6BCDB5B98AB2317 Majin Vegeta wins.

On screen, Broly has destroyed a city during a FLASH BACK.

and here is a pIc. where Paragus trying restraining him.

If he is a GALAXY BUSTER then PARAGUS should be long dead, he cannot survive a GALAXY exploding, he is not that strong or fast enough.

BTW, a regular SAIYAN has the ability to Destroy Planets.

Really? Do all galaxies spin a the same speed? Some more? Some less? Do some look like cubes? Do you know? No, you don't, so don't try that BS with me. And Brolly nuked that planet effortlessly, just to torment the little aliens. That's all. He's a psychopath. It's what they do.

@reikai: like I said a galaxy doesn't spin that fast in 13 seconds

@xlab3000 said:

And since you have zero proof they don't since we can't see or study the entirety of the universe and we're talking about a Fictional Universe, what you're trying to suggest is irrelevant.

@reikai: https://www.google.com/search?q=diameter+of+milky+way+in+km&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS514US514&aq=2&oq=diameter+of+mil&aqs=chrome.3.57j0l3j62l2.8484j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If broly destroyed one planet at a time to destroy that galaxy it would hae taken him a longer time then he was even alive for . The number of planets and stars in a galaxy are in the trillions and up

Broly must be light speed then if he destroyed the planets one by one like people are saying he did.

he woud have to be faster than light . considering the miky way galaxy is over 100,000 light years in diameter

The fact is, there are no on screen feats that he does.

Spiral galaxies have a certain range of length. There's no getting around the fact that Spiral galaxies have to be incredibly long. Even a small galaxy like that would take millions of years for anyone to see a perceptible change. If a galaxy is showing a visible change in motion like in the intro, if the change was within Broly's lifetime and if the motion was a natural phenomena, then the logical conclusion is that stars naturally move at several thousand times the speed of light.

There's only two possibilities. If Broly blew up the galaxy in one shot then logically the entire galaxy is being ripped apart by incalculable forces. The spinning can easily be explained by the force which is literally beyond our understanding of physics. The other possibility is that Broly took a few years to do so but then that means that stars are travelling at Flash levels of speed for no apparent reason.

@godtriggerhulk: Didn't Vegeta kill himself with a ki bomb or something?

Broly wins

"The Legendary Super-Sayian is a Saiyan with a seemingly endless supply of energy".

And that's why he's galaxy buster...

Lol. Broly clearly destroyed a galaxy. This is worse than the downplaying of Safer Sephiroth.

Also, the second possibility is even more likely to be false because

1) in the video we can clearly see/hear the explosion

2) king kaioh sense the destruction of the galaxy all at once, and not over some year

It is clear that he destroyed a Galaxy, the question is, does he one shot it or gradual destruction?

Does it matter? It's a freakin' galaxy! Either Broly is ultra fast or ultra powerful. Or both. Take your pick. Also, if he did it over time, the light from the stars would still take years to reach the camera.

I'd tend to agree. I just wanted to make it clear that the interpretation that Broly blew up a galaxy in a few years has some even bigger holes than the one-shot interpretation. Usually most people dislike the galaxy busting so argue the latter explanation because they think this makes Broly's feat less impressive and more manageable. This is actually the exact opposite. On the combat level, Brolly would be destroying over 200,000 stars an hour for a decade and each of those stars are thousands of lightyears apart. On the theoretical level stars are traveling at 1000x faster than light speed to explain the galaxy rotation in the intro.

By trying to make the galaxy busting more manageable, the exact opposite is being true. The single star busting Broly is by far more powerful. He could speedblitz the one shot Broly easily.

My one problem with the movie was that Goku should've played to Vegeta's ego more when it came time to defeat Broly. Would've made more sense than Vegeta just caving in for no apparent reason.

Also, a power level of 10,000 as a NEWBORN should be addressed.