Lord Voldemort and Death Eaters vs Sauron's Army

The entirety of Saruon's army vs Voldemort and his Death Eaters.

6 hours prep for Voldemort and his Death Eaters, 3 hours prep for the army.

BFR allowed.

Battle takes place at black gate.

Battle ends in death.

Who wins?

Round 1: Voldemort vs 500 orcs.

Round 2: Voldemort vs the entire army.

Round 3: Voldemort and his death eaters vs the entire army.

Round 4: Death Eaters vs the Army.

Bump.

Sauron and his Nazgul could solo, no army is needed. Sauron is practically a god in the Lord of the Rings universe.

@theONEtaichou: Im a book worm, though I did see the films.

@Kingjohnrocks: hey MasterJohn what's up ?

Also sauron 's army curbstomp.

@KingOfAsh said:

The Witch King of Angmar beats him.

...The Witch king was killed..By a mortal girl. With a sword. He can simply use an invisible sword spell (sectumsempra) and jag it through his face. Also what's stopping him from just using Avada Kedavra on the Lich King? Plus he has his death eaters to help him, what's stopping them from casting multiple spells at the same thing and killing him?

Sauron wins if he's there. Otherwise the Deatheaters win.

@KingOfAsh said:

@Kingjohnrocks: No man can kill the Witch King, and he wasn't echniqually alive either, so Avarda Kerdabra wouldn't work.

Yet a mortal woman killed him.

Sauron wins all rounds I think.

Sauron's army stomps. The 9 can solo.

@SSJLozza said:

Sauron's army stomps. The 9 can solo.

Yet one of them, one of the Nazgul were snatched up by a Eagle, head chopped off by a man (who would have been killed by Avada Kedavra or fire) etc etc.

You must really hate Harry Potter.

@JamesKM716 said:

Sauron wins all rounds I think.

Reasons?

@Kingjohnrocks: There's WAY more of Sauron's Army than Death Eaters. and despite their skill, Numbers outweight power (generally)

@JamesKM716 said:

@Kingjohnrocks: There's WAY more of Sauron's Army than Death Eaters. and despite their skill, Numbers outweight power (generally)

So EU palpatine would fail against this army? Because he, like Voldemort, is immensely powerful in their respectful terms.

@Kingjohnrocks: EU Palpatine would blinkstomp Voldemort. He's MUCH more powerful than Voldemort. He's made Force Storms that've engulfed giant ships of tens of thousands. He's controled the midns of billions at a time. I don't think he'd have too much trouble.

This is why i put (generally) up there. There are exceptions to the rule.

If all of the Marvel Universe rebelled against TOAA, they'd lose. Some powers too much.

@JamesKM716

EU Palpatine would blinkstomp Voldemort. He's MUCH more powerful than Voldemort. He's made Force Storms that've engulfed giant ships of tens of thousands. He's controled the midns of billions at a time. I don't think he'd have too much trouble.

I realize this.

This is why i put (generally) up there. There are exceptions to the rule.

If all of the Marvel Universe rebelled against TOAA, they'd lose. Some powers too much.

But voldemort can cast spells without speaking, do wandless magic, teleport at thought, do multiple explosive/levitation/concealing spells, throw curses, engulf the army in fire, etc. He can do many things in this battle.

@Kingjohnrocks: But he's not all that quick. On another note, when does he actually do that stuff? I remember reading the novels but it was a while ago.

Voldemort is strong, but i don't think strong enough to take down an entire army of tens of thousands.

@JamesKM716 said:

@Kingjohnrocks: But he's not all that quick. On another note, when does he actually do that stuff? I remember reading the novels but it was a while ago.

Voldemort is strong, but i don't think strong enough to take down an entire army of tens of thousands.

Teleporting by thought, being able to move your hands and do magic, being able to deliver a mental assaul without doing it vocally, being able to deflect multiple spells at multiple times effortlessly, being able to cast curses without speaking (See duel at the Ministry, Dumbledore vs Voldemort) being able to possess someone by teleporting, that's strong to me. He's simply use tons of Avada Kedavras, Sectumsempra, explosive spells, fire to scorch, teleport by thought, do mental assaults to control them like puppets then have them attack their own army. Etc.

Is Sauron included? And if this is book versions, Sauron and his army should stomp.

@Hksaru said:

2. The Death Eaters are not walking invulnerable juggernauts, like Juggernaut. Their flying beasts are felled by arrows and they are felled by mortals with blades.

Wait..... what? You mean the Nazgul?

@sentryman555

Doesn't he only give Harry a mental assault?

Correct, but being a master Legilimens he could give anyone a mental assault, just like snape.

And thats because him and harry have a special bond

I don't think possessing someone with Legilimens needs a special bond.

ure any wizard can control another wizard but from what I understand you can only do it one at a time.

And...? As far as I am concerned, he can use Nazgul to attack the Army if he wished.

Voldemort wasn't controlling every person under the imperius curse it was the whole death eater group.

This still doesn't wreck the point that Voldemort most likely wins.

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@SSJLozza said:

Sauron's army stomps. The 9 can solo.

Yet one of them, one of the Nazgul were snatched up by a Eagle, head chopped off by a man (who would have been killed by Avada Kedavra or fire) etc etc.

You must really hate Harry Potter.

I don't hate it but I think some people claim it's far more powerful than it actually is. Compared to comics, manga, anime and many fantasy books it's pretty low tier. I mean if the modern military actually fought the HP wizards it would be a curbstomp in the muggle favour.

@sentryman555

Ah sorry for some reason i thought you meant when Voldemort was putting images in Harry's head. I really think it would all come down to if wizards can control the 9.

No feats to suggest they can't control the 9.

An accomplished occlumens can stop a legilimens so thats not to say a person can't resist legilimancy

I know this, but no one in LOTR knows Occlumency. Also the 9 has no telepathic/mind control resistant feats.

from what I understand cause I only watched the movies, the 9 aren't exactly human so I don't know if legilimens would even work on them.

HP spells have worked on immortal magical beings before, FYI.

Voldemort couldn't even take over Hogwarts and that was with the help of giants and dementors. Just him and his death eaters versus all of Sauron's army just doesn't seem likely he can pull through.

I disagree. He was fighting HP wizards who had counters to most of his curses/spells. Here he is fighting a army that can not counter his curses/spells.

@SSJLozza said:

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@SSJLozza said:

Sauron's army stomps. The 9 can solo.

Yet one of them, one of the Nazgul were snatched up by a Eagle, head chopped off by a man (who would have been killed by Avada Kedavra or fire) etc etc.

You must really hate Harry Potter.

I don't hate it but I think some people claim it's far more powerful than it actually is. Compared to comics, manga, anime and many fantasy books it's pretty low tier. I mean if the modern military actually fought the HP wizards it would be a curbstomp in the muggle favour.

ALL HP wizards? I disagree. They could simply use disarming charms (expelliarmus, etc) on the Militaries guns, use telekenetic spells to stop bullets, create a shield around themselves as they fire spells. Also, what's stopping them from using Transfiguration spells? Example, bullets to sand (like Dumbledore did, Shards to sand) Missles to dust, etc. Also, what's stopping Dumbledore, Voldemort and the rest of the wizards from scorching the Military to death? There's many things HP wizards could do that can defeat the Military.

@sentryman555 said:

@Kingjohnrocks said:

I know this, but no one in LOTR knows Occlumency. Also the 9 has no telepathic/mind control resistant feats.

from what I understand cause I only watched the movies, the 9 aren't exactly human so I don't know if legilimens would even work on them.

HP spells have worked on immortal magical beings before, FYI.

I agree that it may work on the 9 because they don't appear to have any resist against mind control but what immortal magical beings were in HP? I'm not trying to knock you here but I read the books and don't remember such a thing.

cromantuala(15 foot long poisonous human eating spiders): Cedric and Potter defeated one that was positioned next to the Triwizard cup

Ashwinders(Fire snakes that are born from an unkept magical fire): Armando Dippet defeated one in Hogwarts old days

Vampires(Self explanatory):Vampire hunters used to exist in the older days of Harry Potter and it was a dangerous practice but it is now illegal

Basilisks(50 foot poisonous king of serpents that can kill you with a stare):Killed by Harry with the enchanted Sword of Gryffindor

Centaurs:Weren't necessarily killed because they have a good relationship but its been shown that magic can effect them

Chimaera(Large three heads, body of a bull, winged dragons tail magical creature): Has been killed before so magic works on them

Clabbert(Cross between a monkey and a frog with razor sharp teeth and horns):Tamed by wizards that keep them as warning signals, so magic works on them

Demiguise(Looks like an Ape with large black eyes and long silky hair and can turn invisible):Hunted by wizards to use their fur as pelts for invisibily coats so magic works on them

Doxy(Black Venomous fairly like creature):Hunted for their Venom so magic works on them

Dragons(Self Explanatory):The Committee of the Disposal of Dangerous creatures has dragon killers dedicated to killing dragons so I don't know what you mean by magic doesn't work on them , People also train and deal with them, Theyre hunted for their blood, claws, hearts(for wands),hide,liver, and meat. But if you want specific examples:

Crum, a student, used a conjunctivitis charm to gouge a dragons eyes during the triwizard tournament

Fleur, another student, enchanted the creature and put it to sleep

The Macfusty clan takes responsibility for a specific breed

The people in Harry Potter literally breed these dragons and you're telling me that magic doesn't work on them

Dementors(Soul sucking creatures):I would go further into that but I'm pretty sure you didn't miss the point in the movie when Harry defeated like a hundred of them while he was falling from the air so magic works on them

Inferi(Reanimated undead that can't be physically harmed and are super strong):Dumbledore defeats an army of them while hes dieinig so magic works on them

And as for the rest that have been affected by magic because you don't seriously expect me to explain everything

Cerberus

Ghoul

Firecrab

Gryndlow(Horned water demon)

Manticores(Lion Scorpion)

Phoenixes that have been domesticated

Trolls

Sphinx

Sea Serpent

Werewolf

Unicorn

@sentryman555 said:

@Kingjohnrocks: I'll give you vampires and Inferi but I was talking about immortal beings not different magical creatures. The dementors count but only one spell works on them and that spell was made specifically to fight dementors. All of which are different from the nine, especially the witch-king. Also while magic does hurt dragons in HP I should point out that it takes a whole team of wizards to take down a dragon. You could make the argument that Voldemort is powerful enough to take one down by himself but I doubt he could take on more than one at a time.

I love how you try to downgrade these creatures even though there's clear discriptions.

You agreed with me that the Death eaters could win. Why continue an arguement?

Voldemort could take down a dragon, so could Dumbledore.

Voldy solos, they can't touch him, nor kill him due to horcruxes.

@KingOfAsh said:

Needless to say that Voldemort and his forces were defeated by mortals as well and even his most powerful Death Eater (Belatrix) was defeated by a housewive with very little combat training.

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@SSJLozza You must really hate Harry Potter.

You must really hate Lord of the Rings. I mean, you make a Harry Potter vs Lord of the Rings thread then you say that Voldermort and his forces win easily. And need I say that any Harry Potter wizard would be helpless without a wand?

I don't care what Rowling says, that was bad and inconsistent writing, and just fan jockin.

As for Voldy and his gang losing to mere mortals, Saruon's army couldn't have taken down Hogwarts either, nor could they have defeated those inside Hogwarts in this scenario. Also, Voldy and his DE's did in fact defeat Harry Potter multiple times, except of course Lily's love protected Harry (among others who died for him).

You can say that, but I'm curious how Sauron's army is getting the wands out of their hands before their entire army is destroyed?

@Kellar21 said:

Sauron's Army wins due to sheer numbers and Nazgul and The Witch King are undead beings,only one was killed and it was the witch king,MasterJohn stop trying to downgrade it like you always do,the sword was especially made to hurt beings like him.The one pipin use was also(a blade from Arnor)

You just keep confirmating you don't know squat about LOTR,also Armed Forces would stomp with Air Strikes and Snipers,no one on HP has bullet reaction time.

They never faced something like a ringwraith,or any undead to be exact(the ringwraiths are different even from those),the only way to kill them withou a blade from Arnor is to destroy the One Ring and that's one thing HP wizards can't do.

While the rest of the Army is made from mostly cannon fodder it is quite numerous(about 100.000 orcs and varied trolls and Uruk-hais).Death Eaters would be tired after the first 10.000,an they would have arrows and trebuchet projectiles straining their shields,now, show an AOE spell from HP that can deal with that(with size included),show a Death Eather fighting for hours without rest,show somenone who is able to kill a Dementor(the closest thing to a Nazgul).

With prep before the Military can fire they can simply put up a transfiguration shield.

I've read all LOTR book thank you.

I can say the Witch King has never faced Avada Kedavra either, Bellatrix can cast it at him if "no man can kill him". Tired? The Death Eaters have thrown spells like nothing and has teleported by thought while fighting. If that didn't drain them I don't think firing a few spells to take out the army would be of any trouble.

Sure I can show a few transfiguration feats that have the ability to block projectiles near-like arrows.

Snape Transfigures McGonagall's fire into a black serpent

McGonagall turned Snape's black snake to smoke and then transformed the smoke to daggers.

Daggers are similar to Arrows. Also, Dumbledore used a transfiguration shield to turn sharp pieces of glass (that could have killed him) into sand. This shows me they'd have no problem transferring an Arrow to dust.

Why would Death Eaters fight Dementors when Dementors are loyal to them? With dark magic, Voldemort can control dementors.