Lord of the Rings vs Thor

- Lotr team is consisted of 100 mumakils, 100 cave trolls, 1 000 000 orcs, Saruman, Gandalf, Balrog, Smaug, All of the Nazguls and Sauron himself with the ring

- This is current Thor, he doesn't have Mjolnir or other equipment

- Everyone is bloodlusted, who wins and why?

Is this a troll thread?

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Is this a troll thread?

Nope, why? lol

book or movie ?

Thor, he can still summon powerful lightning bolts without his hammer.

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

Is this a troll thread?

Nope, why? lol

Because you stripped Thor naked and put him up against ranged characters and beings that can't die...

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movie LOTR if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

LOTR, Sauron and Gandalf The White=overkill vs. Thor

@Vaeternus said:

LOTR, Sauron and Gandalf The White=overkill vs. Thor

Can you explain? How they would win?

Sauron vs. Thor is something I'd like to see, and the addition of an army for Thor to smash beforehand would make this a helluva match

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf, and LOTR in general

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf...

This ^ plus you can't really kill Sauron unless you destroy the ring, which Thor doesn't have here much less any knowledge of so so yeah. I agree, LOTR wins here.

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf...

This

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

thor if it's movie version lotr

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf, and LOTR in general

I've read Lotr, Hobbit and Sillmarilion, you should read more comics, Thor can literaly tear apart Gandalf and Saruman with bare hands. They aren't gods, none of them have feats on planetary level.

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

What feats they have to put them above Thor?

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf, and LOTR in general

I've read Lotr, Hobbit and Sillmarilion, you should read more comics, Thor can literaly tear apart Gandalf and Saruman with bare hands. They aren't gods, none of them have feats on planetary level.

Rightttttttttt

And how is he suppose to reach them exactly?

I think mjolnir could change the results...

@BigCimmerian: @BigCimmerian said:

I've read Lotr, Hobbit and Sillmarilion, you should read more comics, Thor can literaly tear apart Gandalf and Saruman with bare hands. They aren't gods, none of them have feats on planetary level.

I agree, not even the Valar have feats on planetary level. Although I suspect Tulkas and Oromë might be able to put up a fight, but would probably still lose. Maybe all the Valar combine could take thor.

@BigCimmerian said:

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

What feats they have to put them above Thor?

In the books Sauron is a Maiar (comparable to Angels). Some of his feats include:

• Helped the other Ainui create the universe
• Very high level telepathy and illusion casting
• Survived an entire island continent being dropped on him
• Emits a death aura

Are just a few from the Silmarillion. Sauron is a completely different character in the books.

Thor might win.

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

What feats they have to put them above Thor?

In the books Sauron is a Maiar (comparable to Angels). Some of his feats include:

• Helped the other Ainui create the universe
• Very high level telepathy and illusion casting
• Survived an entire island continent being dropped on him
• Emits a death aura

Are just a few from the Silmarillion. Sauron is a completely different character in the books.

Yes, I think Sauron vs. Thor would be an absolutely epic final clash, and the army wouldn't even be that much of a pushover due to the support they've got and their sheer size. However I missed the point that Thor lacks Mjolnir... That would make it more difficult, but he would still surely make it to Sauron, though he'd then have no way of beating him.

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

What feats they have to put them above Thor?

In the books Sauron is a Maiar (comparable to Angels). Some of his feats include:

• Helped the other Ainui create the universe
• Very high level telepathy and illusion casting
• Survived an entire island continent being dropped on him
• Emits a death aura

Are just a few from the Silmarillion. Sauron is a completely different character in the books.

Got defeated in battle by a peak human, and a elf which might be a bit above peak human.... Got defeated in combat by a dog.....

Comparable to Doom losing to BP or squirrel girl

@Hksaru said:

Comparable to Doom losing to BP or squirrel girl

Not really SG is done more as a joke/parody. Is BP black panther, he realistically does stand a chance against doom. But more importantly Sauron defeat is in line with the universe he lives in. Elves on more then one occasion killed Maia in single combat, for example Ecthelion killing Gothmog and Glorfindel killing the unnamed Balrog which ambushed the refugees from the fall of Gondolin. So these two examples of a elf killing a Balrog in single combat. Maybe even more impressively, is that Lúthien (Half Elven half Maia) was able to cast a sleeping spell on Morgoth and his entire court after being captured, and Fingolfin (elf) was able to wound Morgoth seven times in single combat, then upon defeat he was able to hewed morgoth foot, and for ever after he had a limp, and the pain of the wounds or scars were never healed. (After the fight Thorondor the king of the eagles also flew down and marred morgoths face with his Talons and recovered Fingolfin body). After that fight he never left his fortress again. Although that was a weaken form of Morgoth because he spent much of his power in corrupting Arda.

But over all there is multiple occasions of elves, humans and animals defeating Maia in single combat, and even a Vala as powerful as Morgoth could not recover from injuries caused by Fingolfin and Thorondor. Yes they were peak humans, elves and animals and in many cases they also died but it indicates that the physical form which Maia could take was not that much above peak human.

Thor prays,"Dear mother, plz send help"

Gaia sends rock giants. End of story

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Thor, he can still summon powerful lightning bolts without his hammer.

His strength is ridiculous, and the people he fights are 100+ ton

.

Well, this depends. Sheer numbers could culminate in a victory, but it isn't too likely. Throwing in millions of garbage like trolls and orcs won't really do too much. And which Balrog is this? I assume Durin's Bane? Having Gothmog in the LotR team.... well, Thor without Mjolnir relies heavily on physical attributes, which he has massive advantages over anybody in the LotR team, but regardless magic can certainly harm Thor.

While we know Sauron, Saruman and so on to be "powerful", we don't necessarily have a whole lot of feats for them.

To be short, if its purely physical match, regardless of whether it is books or not, then Thor wins. If otherwise, book versions murderstomp hardcore.

Thor wins

LOLOLOLOLOL LOTR in a stomp alot of those characters are way above thors level in a 1v1

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ImBoredLetsDebate said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Caionsouza said:

book or movie ?

I'm still not sure, you can use whatever version you want for now.

It has to be movies if Thor is suppose to stand a chance...if it is books then Gandalf easily solos.

Movies Gandalf The White might be able to solo, and Sauron+Sarumon+Gandalf def. can beat him imo.

lol please explain how Gandalf can solo? This is comic book Thor, not the one from movies. No one from Lotr can solo Thor.

It doesn't matter which it is. You stripped him naked, literally. What feats does he have without his equipment? Gandalf and Sarumon are both beings that can't die and are basically gods. You should read up on Gandalf, and LOTR in general

I've read Lotr, Hobbit and Sillmarilion, you should read more comics, Thor can literaly tear apart Gandalf and Saruman with bare hands. They aren't gods, none of them have feats on planetary level.

Rightttttttttt

And how is he suppose to reach them exactly?

By running at them maybe?

lotr wins in a stomp

LOTR curbstomps if Thor doesn't have Mjolnir.

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@Strider92 said:

@BigCimmerian: Is this movie or book LOTR? If its book versions then Thor gets stomped hard. Gandalf, Sauron and Saruman could solo. Book versions are FAR more powerful than the movies ones.

What feats they have to put them above Thor?

In the books Sauron is a Maiar (comparable to Angels). Some of his feats include:

• Helped the other Ainui create the universe
• Very high level telepathy and illusion casting
• Survived an entire island continent being dropped on him
• Emits a death aura

Are just a few from the Silmarillion. Sauron is a completely different character in the books.

Thor's feats:

- Survive being in the black hole

- Lifting Asgard

- Harming Galactus, Glory, Serpent etc

- Fighting for 80 days nonstop killing millions of enemies without Mjolnir or other abbilities

- He is nearly invulnerable, only beings with enough strength and magical attacks can harm him

- Thor can walk on stars and sun without any discomfort

- He can use godblast without Mjolnir, this attack made Galactus flee

If you still think that he doesn't stand a chance I will give him belt of strength, Mjolnir and Destroyer armor

@darkelf35 said:

LOLOLOLOLOL LOTR in a stomp alot of those characters are way above thors level in a 1v1

Yes, because Thor is weaker then humans and elves.

@BigCimmerian: Also Thor is good at H2H, in raganarok issue 2 or 3 Captain america commented on it.

Too everyone saying lotr stomps.Care to show some feats to back up these clamis?

Thor stomps this,none of these characters have done anything to put them on Thors level.Thor would one shot all of them.

I don't get why people belive that just because Sauron is a big persona in LOTr he would be the same in Earth-616. 
His feats mentioned in this thread are actually nothing. 
1.You say "high level telepath"? High level telepath is one that planet level feats. In way similar to how Xavier used fear of all Skrulls from Skrullos against Galactus, Shadow King controlled many people in different part of world or Onslaught making psionic wave that was felt by most of telepaths on the world. 
Who was actually controlled by Sauron? Nazgul's? I don't think that Thor will even take any ring from Sauron, so this barely matters here. Saruman? He went evil, but he never was trully controlled by Sauron. And if Sauron will try to corrupt Thor, he is only making him more dangerous. 
 
Actually Sauron would be very low level telepath that can corrupt his targets trough long persuasion, not psi-bolts or taking his enemy to Astral Plane. He would have problem with Monet (X-Factor), Sage (Hellfire Club) or Karma (New Mutants). Let alone Mimic, Mantis or Dr. Druid who all are below normal Emma Forst. The same Emma Frost that boosted by Phoenix Force couldn't hurt thor psionically. 
 
2.Helping with creation of Arda? Arda is just a planet. And most of the job was done by Valars who are league above Maiars. And these Vaiars only as a group are planetary level, possibly close to some of Marvel god like Loki, Posseidon, Zephyr or (weaponless) Horus. Most powerfull of them - Morgoth - was said to have weapon that can crack Arda. Hammer. Thor took shots from similar weapon - Strombreaker and still was fine. Now: Morgoth = most of other Valars as a team. Each Valar >>> Sauron. So how is Sauron (let alone Saruman or Balrog) manage to hurt Thor physically?
 
3.I don't recall Sauron surviving island dropped on him. But it matters how he survived it. Nothing tells us that this is battle to the death. Thor just need to get rid of them, so destroying their bodies is enough. He can do it and his punches will give them more trouble than weight of islands.  Also his "death aura" is featless IIRC.
 
4.Gandalf and Saruman are far from being immune to death, if Grima could kill Saruman after watr in Shire. Grima. And You belive that Thor won't be able to break his neck? What kind of feats prove that? 
 
5.Balrog won't do any better than demons from Musphlheim. Gandalf hurt him by thunders. And Thor isn't just using thunders. His is god of thunders and they were shown to be stronger than human-weather controllers ones. 
 
6.Army is useless. thor will create a tornado that will take them out. And personally? I doubt that anyone here can survive Thor's tornado. I doubt even that Sauron's body can. But if it will, Thor can end him like he ended Durok:

Thor loses.

Thor loses.

@czarny_samael666: He does not have his standard gear or powers. Sauron with the Ring, Gandalf the White and etc could take him.

Thor is still super humanly strong. Without his hammer he can't fly, but can super leap vast distances. He can summon lightning, bench press a mac truck and pick boulders able to crush armies.

But Sauron is virtually impossible to defeat

@spiderpool94 said:

But Sauron is virtually impossible to defeat

And Hulk is the strongest there is...also Iron Man is invincible.

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@spiderpool94 said:

But Sauron is virtually impossible to defeat

And Hulk is the strongest there is...also Iron Man is invincible.

Also Superman is Man of Steel, Odin is omnipotent and Zeus is almighty.

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: @BigCimmerian: I see what you guy's did there.

Middle Earth new King.

@czarny_samael666: He does not have his standard gear or powers. Sauron with the Ring, Gandalf the White and etc could take him.

But Sauron is virtually impossible to defeat

@czarny_samael666:

1: How is he going to destroy the Ring? And can he handle Sauron`s magical abilities that include an array of reality warping techniques?

2: Thor is going to have to deal with Gandalf the White, and etc before getting to Sauron. Sauron was caught off guard when his hand was removed and it was a last attempt on Isildur`s part.

3: What is Thor going to do to put down Morgoth for good or Balrog? He is also going to have to deal Smaug as well and Thor does not have any knowledge or prep so he`s not going to know what to expect although he is no pushover it doesn`t mean the LOTR side are. His key power is Mjonir.