Loki VS Sentry Challenge a Viner.

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#1 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Takes place in Asgard, Morals and in character are on. 1 month Prep for Loki , no outside help. Void bases feats allowed.

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#2 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Sentry has speed reactions, so Loki will not win with physical attack.

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Superspeed fixing a tower

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Survives point blank nuke

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Batters asgard. -

#3 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

no outside help ? xD i will respond in about one hour! muah!

#4 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Loki cannot summon Thor and Odin to help basically.

#5 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Are you ready for another thrashing hun? >:)

#6 Posted by I_am_Warlock (187 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

So loki gets prep Sentry gets none? Is that what it is?

I am just asking so i can better understand the OP, and yes i know i am not suppose to make an argument.

#7 Posted by FiMFTW (687 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Sentry is a badass.

#8 Edited by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@I_am_Warlock said:

So loki gets prep Sentry gets none? Is that what it is?

I am just asking so i can better understand the OP, and yes i know i am not suppose to make an argument.

Because sentry is so powerful, my character, Loki would need some preparation time. He even gave Thor a good fight, than got his neck snapped ;D Regardless, Sentry would put p a good fight. But Loki would win. Mess with his head. Play on his fears of the void. Use illusions to make him think Norman is helping him... only to have illusion-norman lead him into a trap.

"Hurry, Bob! I've open this portal to safety!" Bam. Frost giants pour out. Loki wouldn't waste energy trying to take Sentry on himself. He'd have other people do it. Or even better... make the Sentry do it.

If Loki could play on Sentry's fear of the Void and convince Sentry he had become Void again, that Void hadn't died, just hidden himself away in Sentry's subconscious, and began little by little, chipping away at Sentry until Void and Sentry were one in the same...

Convince Sentry that the only way to destory Void is to destroy himself...

"Power equal to one million exploding suns... but just as gullible as any human." Loki FTW.

Also to prove, Sentry would be vulnerable to Loki via telepathic control, ect here are some scans of Loki messing with Silver Surfers mind, Galactus's mighty herald who wields a portion of power cosmic.

Also with preparation time taken into account, Sentry would undoubtedly meet his demise at the hands of Thors younger brother.

#9 Posted by Bo88gdan (4129 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Loki would win with preparation for sure

#10 Posted by I_am_Warlock (187 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Sentry got his neck snap during a What If story arc, which is non canon to either Thor or Sentry, but takes place in a mirror reality from our own. In short, not the best argument to make, but still valid to a reasonable extent.

Honestly, if you spent some time reading up some classic Loki's issues this can very quickly turns into a one sided stomp for you.

#11 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@I_am_Warlock said:

@Alyssabird: Sentry got his neck snap during a What If story arc, which is non canon to either Thor or Sentry, but takes place in a mirror reality from our own. In short, not the best argument to make, but still valid to a reasonable extent.

Honestly, if you spent some time reading up some classic Loki's issues this can very quickly turns into a one sided stomp for you.

I am taking things slowly until he begins arguing, than I'm going to stomp all over him :3 I've got much more up my sleeve aha

#12 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Good turn, But he will NEVER be mind controlled by Loki, He has resisted Dr Strange who is miles above Loki and Emma frost + Professor X -

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So, Mind control is not an option.

Loki would not be able to defend himself from attack as the sorcer supreme could not

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Loki even admitted he could not stop Sentry

Your turn :)

#13 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram

#14 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Bo88gdan: Not if I have a say!

@Alyssabird said:

Are you ready for another thrashing hun? >:)

Your going to lose.

#15 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio
#16 Edited by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Loki easily controlling Thor, whom bested Sentry. He COULD mind control Sentry :3 Also the argument is copied with my own input added into it. :)

#17 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Nope, never, Classic Dr Strange is stronger then Odin as stated by some in magic, If he could not Loki has NO chance :)

All Loki is going to get is this...

A gastric band.

#18 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: Nope, never, Classic Dr Strange is stronger then Odin as stated by some in magic, If he could not Loki has NO chance :)

All Loki is going to get is this...

A gastric band.

I also find besting a sky father level entity, highly unlikely.

Loki with-holding Thor with chains that he cannot break. A move of which he could use on Sentry, and later find a way to kill him, via frost giants or anything else.

#19 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: He is not sky father lol

and As stated by Void he cannot die or is near impossible to kill, Thor killed him but he WANTED to die.

Once again, Loki is getting this -

A sauna.

#20 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: He is not sky father lol

and As stated by Void he cannot die or is near impossible to kill, Thor killed him but he WANTED to die.

Once again, Loki is getting this -

A sauna.

Just because someone 'states' that they cannot die, it doesn't make it true.

Here we see Odin, a sky father level entity, leaps and bounds beyond Sentry, state that the Armour was indestructible. Obviously, he was wrong. We cannot go merely by statements, but also by feats, and according to the feats, Thor > Sentry. So he is definitely kill-able. Also, Loki brought Asgard and Thor to their knees with sufficient preparation time, it was only until Thor became all knowing and EXTREMELY powerful that he bested the thief. All in all, Loki > Sentry with a month of preparation.

#21 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: He attempted to commit suicide many times - this time for example.

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Survived being in the middle of this ( which he done )

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and was strong enough to revert the Hulk in WWH form into bruce banner

#22 Posted by tomlikesfries (3209 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio
#23 Edited by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Here, we see Thor besting Sentry with nothing more than his bear hands.

http://www.comicboards.com/php/image.php?msg=thor-2009120322060490&att=ThorKillsSentry_02_150.jpg&fullsize=yes

In this following scan, Loki, whom forged a false hammer through out-witting the dwarves, used it to single handily demolish Thor.

With the preparation time taken into account, Loki should be able to forge himself another powerful hammer that he could use to destroy Sentry in combat. Also, since this battle is in Asgard, what's to stop Loki from summoning the Destroyer Armour or wearing it himself. An armour with durability so powerful, that sentry could not dent it. Loki could hook Sentry with unbreakable chains, control his mind or forge himself a fake, but powerful hammer that could destroy sentry. If Loki has found ways to over-come Asgard and destroy it, alongside thousands of Asgardians, including Thor, how could Sentry possibly hope to stand up against his wit with mere muscle? There is literally, no way. Loki >> Sentry

#24 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: That counts as outside help as the destroyer has commanded itselfs before. and I think Thor has just been battered by like 4 people so he was weakened.

Sentry killing Loki.

Showing spider-women who is boss of the house.

Making ultron get hurt when, Ultron had defeated the avengers in combat

#25 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Also loki may have done that, but Sentry DESTROYED Asgard. I was pretty pissed when this happened.

#26 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Here we see Loki turning Thor into a frog, Lol. What's to stop Loki from doing this? Than messing him up with alternately forged weapon. Bear in mind, a powerful false hammer is all Loki would need to see the job done; commingled of course with other schemes of mischief. If Loki could bring down the whole of Asgard and Thor to the breaking point, where Thor actually shed tears, how could one single super hero hope to over-come this? Especially when his mind lay open to mischief and corruption. Let's not forget that Loki is also capable of casting illusions to fool Sentry, like he did to the likes of Odin, a Sky-Father who stood up to Galactus and nine Celestials. Loki, whom captured and held Death against her will, was able to beat the crap out of Thor and fool him as well. His durability along with his wit, would prove victories, seeing as how he can tank attacks from Surther with the twilight sword, a being of which has given Odin and Thor a hard time. In a straight one on one brawl, Loki would definitely get squashed, but this isn't what it is. With one month of preparation taken into account, Loki the mischief undeniably tears sentry a new arsehole. xD

#27 Edited by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: Also loki may have done that, but Sentry DESTROYED Asgard. I was pretty pissed when this happened.

And Thor destroyed Sentry, with prep time, Loki has bested Thor. Loki not only defeated him, but Thors mallet was broken in two,to Lokis superior one. There is nothing, Sentry can do against an adequately prep'd Loki.

#28 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: I re-read the thing, Thor did kill sentry but it was not that simple, He let him kill him to kill void I understand.

Nothing Loki can do will stop him doing what he did to asgard but to Loki's head. Or just disintegrate him.

The scan on the last page showed Dr Strange who is above Odin and Loki trying to trick and illusion him but Dr strange himself stated his mind is too powerful.

#29 Posted by YoungJustice (5674 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

When a bad debater sighs, you know that it's a tad bit sad.

#30 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram

Don't try and tell me Sentry could best Thor, lol let's not get into this

Also, according to some sources, the old dr strange was superior to this 'new' one, and in fact Loki actually beat Strange back in that day when he was Sorcerer's Supreme. Thor's intervention is what stopped him from finishing the job. Loki is also more powerful than Circe, and more versatile as well.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh and I recall, Strange once nearly passed out and had to use all of his powers to create a barrier to block a singe blast from Loki. Strange was also using the power of his Amulet to aid him as I understand.

So that argument is off the table, and seeing as how Sentry is struggling with the wit of Strange, and Loki being above Strange, I don't see Sentry doing anything once Loki starts the mind games.

#31 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice: ?

#32 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

When a bad debater sighs, you know that it's a tad bit sad.

?

#33 Posted by YoungJustice (5674 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

#34 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: No proof just a guy speeking, The sorcerer has feats that put him ABOVE Odin so its PIS if Loki beat him.

#35 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

From me? lol

#36 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: @YoungJustice:

Lets not get into an argument peoples :D thanks.

#37 Posted by YoungJustice (5674 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

From me? lol

Well. the fact that you copy/pasted a debate makes me think less of humanity..

#38 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: No proof just a guy speeking, The sorcerer has feats that put him ABOVE Odin so its PIS if Loki beat him.

The sorcerer is not above Odin. Odin is powerful enough that he got the attention of Abstracts. Perhaps Logic is pis?

#39 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

From me? lol

Well. the fact that you copy/pasted a debate makes me think less of humanity..

Does it make you think less of yourself?

#40 Edited by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: He has many Feats that put him above Odin.

Pre-retcon beyonder said strange would have beaten him also, and Pre-retcon beyonder is leagues above Odin.

#41 Posted by YoungJustice (5674 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

From me? lol

Well. the fact that you copy/pasted a debate makes me think less of humanity..

Does it make you think less of yourself?

A little bit, LOL.

#42 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Alyssabird said:

@YoungJustice said:

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice: ?

Some of the debate is....not very good, not from you usually though.

From me? lol

Well. the fact that you copy/pasted a debate makes me think less of humanity..

Does it make you think less of yourself?

A little bit, LOL.

And how do you feel?

#43 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@YoungJustice:

#44 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@YoungJustice:

#45 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: Back to the debate or you calling the votes this time?

#46 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: Back to the debate or you calling the votes this time?

Will await his response, I'm not done trolling him yet

#47 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Alyssabird: :(

#48 Posted by Alyssabird (1364 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

@Pyrogram said:

@Alyssabird: :)

#49 Posted by Pyrogram (11007 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Votes please. If you have time peoples of the vine.

#50 Posted by tomlikesfries (3209 posts) - 4 months, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Loki would win with a month of preparation. In fact, he'd probably stomp. Now, if it was a random encounter... it'd be a whole different story. But we're rating the debate and not who would win, right? I'm siding with

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