#1 Edited by terry2012 (5910 posts) - - Show Bio

Trickster vs Trickster

How shall we be begin

Ok No prep

Each meet 30 meters away

No reality warping

win by KO

#2 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Loki

#3 Posted by DrEgonSpengler (567 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by HolySerpent (12805 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is this que?

#5 Posted by DrEgonSpengler (567 posts) - - Show Bio

Its Q not Que, the heading is incorrect. Anyway Q is an omnipotent god like entity who has created his own galaxy and has control over life and death and can manipulate time. He can pretty much alter reality any way he chooses.

#6 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

@DrEgonSpengler said:

Its Q not Que, the heading is incorrect. Anyway Q is an omnipotent god like entity who has created his own galaxy and has control over life and death and can manipulate time. He can pretty much alter reality any way he chooses.

Yeah, but OP says no reality warping lol.

#7 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

@DrEgonSpengler said:

Its Q not Que, the heading is incorrect. Anyway Q is an omnipotent god like entity who has created his own galaxy and has control over life and death and can manipulate time. He can pretty much alter reality any way he chooses.

Yeah, but OP says no reality warping lol.

Everything he does is a result of his ability to warp reality, so this would mean he is the mortal Q in this thread.

#8 Posted by BringnIt (3809 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@BringnIt said:

@DrEgonSpengler said:

Its Q not Que, the heading is incorrect. Anyway Q is an omnipotent god like entity who has created his own galaxy and has control over life and death and can manipulate time. He can pretty much alter reality any way he chooses.

Yeah, but OP says no reality warping lol.

Everything he does is a result of his ability to warp reality, so this would mean he is the mortal Q in this thread.

I am aware of this.

#9 Posted by weaponx (1566 posts) - - Show Bio

Q wins. He can do anything Loki can and more and can do it with a snap of the fingers/faster than Loki.

#10 Posted by termiteone4ever (7986 posts) - - Show Bio

Q by a distance

#11 Edited by TheGodKiller3 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

Q . As long as he limits his power to unlimited to space,time and matter manipulation , and he doesn't try to use physics manipulation , then its not reality warping , and more than enough to beat Loki .

#12 Edited by LordOfAllHumans (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheGodKiller3 said:

Q . As long as he limits his power to unlimited to space,time and matter manipulation , and he doesn't try to use physics manipulation , then its not reality warping , and more than enough to beat Loki .

Isn't the reason he can manipulate matter, space and time due to him being able to warp reality? Are these things not parts of reality? He can manipulate them because he can also warp the more abstract concepts of reality. Many reality warpers have the ability to manipulate time (creating alternate realities and compressing time within to make people experience life times), space (teleportation is basically small scale manipulation of space and the creation of alternate realities involves the compression of space as well, when said warp does not effect all reality but the space within the alternate seems to be just as big as real life) and they all can manipulate matter, but if you take away the ability to warp reality all save reality warpers like Franklin, Legion and people that can use spells and artifacts to warp reality, will be powerless as they have no powers outside of reality warping. So can Q use any powers that you don't have to be a reality warper to use, if all those powers stem from him being a reality warper?

#13 Posted by Beerhappy (283 posts) - - Show Bio

Q wins. His powers are off the charts, that and he has knowledge of everything.

#14 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@Beerhappy said:

Q wins. His powers are off the charts, that and he has knowledge of everything.

His off the charts powers are due to reality warping, so all he has in this battle is knowledge. Don't see that being a big deal with Loki.

#15 Posted by Picard (997 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Beerhappy said:

Q wins. His powers are off the charts, that and he has knowledge of everything.

His off the charts powers are due to reality warping, so all he has in this battle is knowledge. Don't see that being a big deal with Loki.

what is the point of this tread when Q can't use his powers? As for knowledge - Q have 2000 IQ :)

#16 Posted by jojjimbo (2463 posts) - - Show Bio

Well with the conditions that the OP posted Loki wins.

#17 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Beerhappy said:

Q wins. His powers are off the charts, that and he has knowledge of everything.

His off the charts powers are due to reality warping, so all he has in this battle is knowledge. Don't see that being a big deal with Loki.

what is the point of this tread when Q can't use his powers? As for knowledge - Q have 2000 IQ :)

I didn't create it, but he is a reality warper so without reality warping he is powerless. His IQ being high will be meaningless without any power to make it count.

#18 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

Q.

#19 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (4409 posts) - - Show Bio

@jojjimbo said:

Well with the conditions that the OP posted Loki wins.

this

#20 Posted by kingwallytw (14 posts) - - Show Bio

Q's power comes from reality warping. Saying that he can't do that is taking away his only powers, as all he does is warp reality. Loki has to win because he has a weapon. With reality changing, Q would win completely. No matter what.

#21 Posted by WillPayton (9820 posts) - - Show Bio

With the OP rules, this battle is pointless.

If reality warping is allowed, Q wins.

#22 Posted by jazmac (26 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok the argument in favor of loki seems to be that Qs powers are all derived from reality warping, my question is does anyone have any evidence that says all of Qs power is reality warping related as I've watched all of the star trek episodes with Q involved (it was quite a while ago however) and I don't remember them every saying or stating that Qs powers are warp reality only abilities so unless someone can prove to me that's how all of his powers work then I'm in favor of Q everytime.

#23 Posted by terry2012 (5910 posts) - - Show Bio

@WillPayton: is it really all of his powers warp reality because I don't remeber them stating that. I do remember them stating that is a tricker none the less.

#24 Edited by terry2012 (5910 posts) - - Show Bio

@jazmac:

The Q are a unique race, and they possess many extraordinary, "God-like" powers including the ability to manipulate time, space, matter, and energy. They have an almost omnipotent ability to perceive and know events in the past, present, and future. They are invulnerable and immortal except when faced with weapons designed by others of their kind: in sufficient numbers, Q can strip other Q of their powers and make them mortal or make them any lifeform they wish.

It is suggested through their appearances on the various series of Star Trek that the Q have evolved since the Big Bang to their current state, and that possibly they were like humans very early on.

One member of the Q once referred to a "New Era" among the Continuum, during which an important change occurred in the species. No further details were given. The Continuum is on a separate plane of existence and thus not subject to linear time as normal space is. It has been suggested by Quinn that when the Q gave up their physicality and achieved their godlike powers, they also gave up any chance of growth or evolution, thus leading to stagnation (since change was unnecessary).

They usually appear as human simply because they can assume any form they wish, and when interacting with humans they usually appear as one of them to make the humans feel more comfortable. I hope this help but I doing more research. He is are omnipotent. He powers are manipulate time, space, matter, energy, and reality. Can see the past, present, and future. He is immortal unless the higher ups removed his immortal and powers. He also can take any form he wishes.

#25 Posted by TheGodKiller3 (359 posts) - - Show Bio

Technically speaking , physics manipulation is the only powerset in the Q species arsenal , due to which their powers have been presumed to be reality warping , when they are in fact this :

1. Molecular/Subatomic particle manipulation .

2. Space-Time manipulation .

3. Apparent telepathy .

3. Energy to matter conversion .