Edit: Kalibak gets Fatherbox
Round 1. Standard weapons and equipment / Current Versions / In Character
Round 2. Add Army of Chitauri for Loki and Army of Parademons for Kalibak
Loki would be quickly crushed to paste and probably eaten in a h2h conflict with Kalibak.
But it's unlikely that he'd allow that to happen and would most likely use magic to try to BFR or confuse Kalibak via illusions and whatnot...
Loki. I don't think Kalibak has an answer for being turned into snow.
.... His invulnerability maybe? no?
@tifalockhart: @heraldofganthet: you think that magic would affect Kalibak?
@noone301994: Why do you say loki?
@adication: Yes.
@tifalockhart: Ok even if so Loki isn't bloodlusted so I don't think he would result to BFR as a first result. He enjoys the pleasure of the game and torment. So him being in character he won't just kill him right away. But with him not knowing who hes up against fighting Kalibak that is all he needs to be the victor is for Loki to not take him serious or get to close hes finished.
@adication: it is in character for Loki to use trickery, and Kalibak isn't too bright. Between his shapechanging abilities and his illusions I think he can avoid the Beta Club more often than not.
That said, if Loki chokes, he's crushed in a fistfight.
@tifalockhart: Agreed
Loki. I don't think Kalibak has an answer for being turned into snow.
.... His invulnerability maybe? no?
That wouldn't protect against transmution.
As long as Loki doesn't go hand to hand, his magic should give him the win.
Loki
@noone301994: Why do you say loki?
Because of his magical transmutation and ability to hold his own against Thor.
you think that magic would affect Kalibak?
I'm unaware of any of Kalibak's Post-Flashpoint vulnerabilities, but I could see Loki using magically generated duplicates to try and confuse Kalibak into hitting a target that wasn't actually there. Or banishing him by some spell to another place to prevent Loki from having to fight in the first place. If Kalibak had a Father Box in this match up, that would make magical duplicity much more difficult since it would see right through the deception, but I didn't see him using one in the OP conditions though.
I still say Loki gets eaten and digested if he tries to stand toe-to-toe and fist fight though.
@heraldofganthet: and now he does :)
@ancient_0f_days, I'd love to get your thoughts on this one. Due to the edit of the OP conditions, Kalibak now gets a Father Box in addition to his Beta-Club and his natural physical stats.
How do you think he does against Loki armed thusly?
As long as Loki doesn't go hand to hand, his magic should give him the win.
@highaccuser: ok I gave Kalibak the father box. Does that change anything?
@highaccuser: ok I gave Kalibak the father box. Does that change anything?
I don't know what Fatherbox does.
@highaccuser: it grants the user energy manipulation, energy transference, Gravity manipulation, matter manipulation, telepathy, conversion, life support, magic, and machine animation/control amongst a few other things.
@ancient_0f_days, I'd love to get your thoughts on this one. Due to the edit of the OP conditions, Kalibak now gets a Father Box in addition to his Beta-Club and his natural physical stats.
How do you think he does against Loki armed thusly?
Fatherbox should counter most of the potential one shotters that Loki could try using magic, I don't know enough about Loki to say whether he'd be able to survive the beta club though. I see Loki tricking Kalibak somehow through illusions unless Loki has some telepathy resistance feats.
In round 2. Parademons are a bigger threat than Chitauri due to their techology, outside of the giant whales, the Chitauri are outclassed....
Fatherbox should counter most of the potential one shotters that Loki could try using magic, I don't know enough about Loki to say whether he'd be able to survive the beta club though. I see Loki tricking Kalibak somehow through illusions unless Loki has some telepathy resistance feats.
This was my thought process as well, but I'm glad you were able to reinforce it for me. Always a pleasure, mon ami!!;)
In round 2. Parademons are a bigger threat than Chitauri due to their techology, outside of the giant whales, the Chitauri are outclassed....
Oh yeah. The Skrulls get curbed in Round 2.
@chiq: nothing. One was made for the new gods other was made for apokolips
Well.... There is one big difference between the two weapons in that Mother Box is attached to (and draws from) the benevolent aspect of the Source and will only work for someone with a heart towards justice and/or mercy. A Father Box is nearly as powerful, but its primary function is to continually corrupt the soul of its user. Eventually, the user will be completely subservient to the will of Darkseid and the malevolent aspect of the Source.
So there's that...
@heraldofganthet: lol. I guess that's the more in depth and politically correct response.
Loki wins simply because Kalibak is a special kind of stupid most of the time and Loki LOVES that in his opponents
this lol
@madripoor: @noone301994: @mr-luxcipher: @heirtothekingdom: @dee420: @masterkungfu: @mechwalker: @ashrym: @tifalockhart: @noone301994: @oocmikey: now what do you all think the outcome is now that Kalibak has the Fatherbox
@adication: I don't know how a father-box compares to a mother one(on panel apart, from statements).
For now, I still favor Loki.
@madripoor: @noone301994: @mr-luxcipher: @heirtothekingdom: @dee420: @masterkungfu: @mechwalker: @ashrym: @tifalockhart: @noone301994: @oocmikey: now what do you all think the outcome is now that Kalibak has the Fatherbox
Kalibak with ease...
@adication: Father Box is a living supercomputer. It makes shields, mind warps, shoots energy beams, and teleports people. Also shrinks people. It can sense danger also. It is an unfair advantage for Kalibak IMHO.
@adication: Father Box is a living supercomputer. It makes shields, mind warps, shoots energy beams, and teleports people. Also shrinks people. It can sense danger also. It is an unfair advantage for Kalibak IMHO.
Loki can do pretty much everything you said here, and more via magic.
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