Lobo vs Beta Ray Bill

@isaac_clarke said:

@sa

"Edit: link http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/lobo-vs-black-adam/628156/ to people on this forum agreeing lobo takes black adams ... whom is stronger than superman ... again you are seriously downplaying lobo ... just because he isn't a 'big shot' like superman or thor ... doesn't mean he loses to them."

Since when did Black Adam have any physical edge on Superman? Magic fists don't count. Lobo doesn't need to be a big shot, but he isn't more powerful than either of them or Bill.

I'm not going into this argument as superman vs. black adams is like superman vs. thor ... there is no real solution as eveyone thinks their side wins.

Facts: Lobo can't be killed, minus knocking him to another planet he really cant be BFR'ed due to his healing factor, he hits on equal strength of superman, isn't weak to magic, and is as similar if not faster than superman. All what I consider facts. Big thor defense is they can beat superman due to his vulnerability to magic ... lobo is at supermans strength at the VERY LEAST and not vulnerable to magic ... but IMO lobo is far beyond supes str. So reason for thor to beat superman/lobo is moot ... lobo stomps this fight.

1. It is not PIS when it happens consistently because: a. Thor and hulk have almost fought 14 times (thor has only won 4) b. Hulk has not only tanked Thor but other powerhouses such as Hyperion, Supreme, Gladiator and so on expect in Hammer and Senew which was a 13 page comic book pretty much only praising Thor. Apart from that Thor beat hulk few times in classic comics where Thor is lot more powerful then he currently is. Classic thor was able to tank and KO phoenix (Racheal) who later went on to defeat Galactus. Hulk on the other hand has grown stronger (this has more to do with his popularity). 2. Angrir durability

@Killemall: To add to that, it might be a possibility that the reason Hulk tags these faster people could be either:

1. They're not using their superspeed for whatever reason.

2. They're not as fast, agility-wise, as they're hyped up to be.

I'm inclined to go with reason 2.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@Killemall: To add to that, it might be a possibility that the reason Hulk tags these faster people could be either:

1. They're not using their superspeed for whatever reason.

2. They're not as fast, agility-wise, as they're hyped up to be.

I'm inclined to go with reason 2.

It has been stated that Hulk time's his punches to just injure his opponents and not kill them ... meaning banner is making sure Hulk doesn't kill anyone ... thus he is always holding back.

@sandiego008: True. Banner won't let Hulk kill anyone. There may have been some close calls, but for a rampaging monster that shows a lot of restraint.

@Killemall: Do you have a list of those 14 issues? It would just be a handy thing to have, and interesting to look through.

I would also add that Hulk has beaten the snot out of Hercules at least once. Thor and Hercules have pretty much always been portrayed as physically equal, and the whole "Thor holds back against mortals" doesn't really apply to Herc.

The idea of Thor being able to KO Hulk with a single unrestrained blow is just kind of dumb anyway. There are decades of comics history showing Thor and Hulk as physically comparable, not just in their direct encounters, but also through various other mutual opponents. Nobody sensible is going to toss out all of that because one time one writer made one panel of Balder recollecting otherwise. That would be like arguing that Spiderman is really a Herald level character because of his 1 win against Firelord (and a near win against Thor), and every other fight he's been in was just him "holding back."

Well since we all off track here again i should add LOBO wins .

Bill gets destroyed no chance of winning . Red ring and with all his other crazy powers cloning/ soul projection/ consuming/ Strength / speed / brutality / Unfair cheat dirty fighter/ Wins by any means / Cannot Die / Cant be trans mutated / Gains resistance to any energy and so much more.

@czarny_samael666: Check it out when your online next, the whole battle. I think you are missing a total of 3 scans some error just popped up. :)

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Because you called my integrity into question, here are the 3 previous pages (not counting ads, of course). Also included are two relevant scans that state that the Easter Bunny is indeed king of a world, because you refuse to believe me. Now before DC sues me for posting nearly the whole book, I'm going to cease.

@venomoushatred1001: Why is it PIS? If Hulk consistently does something, does that mean all examples would be PIS?

Is Thor safe from PIS?

1. It is not PIS when it happens consistently because: a. Thor and hulk have almost fought 14 times (thor has only won 4) b. Hulk has not only tanked Thor but other powerhouses such as Hyperion, Supreme, Gladiator and so on expect in Hammer and Senew which was a 13 page comic book pretty much only praising Thor. Apart from that Thor beat hulk few times in classic comics where Thor is lot more powerful then he currently is. Classic thor was able to tank and KO phoenix (Racheal) who later went on to defeat Galactus. Hulk on the other hand has grown stronger (this has more to do with his popularity). 2. Angrir durability <<<<<< Lobo, this is because Angrir has lost to spiderman in one of the FAIL itself issue . Silver surfer durability to physical force isn’t great either. BRB to be best of my knowledge has never been KOed by one hammer strike. 3. It is not only Thor who holds back, it has been stated many times that Hulk holds one by Cho and other by Hulk. Besides the whole purpose of World Breaker Hulk was to show how powerful hulk would be if he did not hold back. I do have scans to show hulk was holding back should u like to check it out. 4. In addition, no one would hold back when they are getting their assess kicked and getting KOed that is simply a ridiculous claim.

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Well since we all off track here again i should add LOBO wins .

Bill gets destroyed no chance of winning . Red ring and with all his other crazy powers cloning/ soul projection/ consuming/ Strength / speed / brutality / Unfair cheat dirty fighter/ Wins by any means / Cannot Die / Cant be trans mutated / Gains resistance to any energy and so much more.

Bill wins. Seriously I want to say this as well. Hulk isn't even in this thread so why bring him in? He's not in anyway comparable nor similar to Lobo.

Bill wins. Seriously I want to say this as well. Hulk isn't even in this thread so why bring him in? He's not in anyway comparable nor similar to Lobo.

@ cRAZY _ SAMAEL666

1.That is a rediculios claim, simply because it is NOT from heroes reborn but from Avengers Volume 2, Issue # 5, and IS CANNON.

2.It is NOT PIS because had Thor only used his lightning which hulk CAN and HAS tanked. Not even once many times.

3.Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry, Supreme part comes only to SHOW HULK’s DURABILITY, if hulk is durable to take hits from them why should he not be durable enough to tank thor’s lightning?? After all Gladiator is a planet buster , Sentry is a powerhouse too so is Hyperion and Supreme.

4.Thor DOES NOT HAVE TO STOMP because THOR WILL NOT USE SOUL MANIPULATION in the fight.

5.What has the capacity to break planet got to do with Hulk, current hulk is a massive powerhouse and has tanked a lot.

6.That I agree but when has silver surfer shown MASSIVE DURABILITY TO PHYSICAL FORCE?? Zeus wasn’t able to one shot HULK who’s a skyfather, and Lord Mar-VELL was able to one shot surfer.

7.Hulk = Bruce Banner (in most of the situations). Hulk does not INTENTIONALLY kill ppl, ppl die because of the AFTERMATH of the battle.

8.WB hulk =/= in the same sense that Classic Thor =/= Thor . Think of it this way hulk HAD NO AMP still we say they are different because WB hulk has way better feats than normal hulk. Same goes with Classic thor.

9.Hulk has shown a lot better durability post 2000 and your scans are all pre 1990. Few scans are professor hulk and you should know a lot better than me how different a normal hulk is to professor hulk. Thor one shotting Hulk is from what again, yeah PRE 1990 can u show me THOR one shotting current HULK??????????

10.Why even bring FAIL itself in the battle, let’s see angrir <<<thing because he LOST TO SPIDERMAN. Thor killed him big deal. Nul was BFRed which we all know thor can BFR hulk, thor NEVER BEAT Nul but himself FAINTED!

11.HOW EXACTLY DOES BRB WIN BTW??

@ cRAZY _ SAMAEL666

1.That is a rediculios claim, simply because it is NOT from heroes reborn but from Avengers Volume 2, Issue # 5, and IS CANNON.

2.It is NOT PIS because had Thor only used his lightning which hulk CAN and HAS tanked. Not even once many times.

3.Gladiator, Hyperion, Sentry, Supreme part comes only to SHOW HULK’s DURABILITY, if hulk is durable to take hits from them why should he not be durable enough to tank thor’s lightning?? After all Gladiator is a planet buster , Sentry is a powerhouse too so is Hyperion and Supreme.

4.Thor DOES NOT HAVE TO STOMP because THOR WILL NOT USE SOUL MANIPULATION in the fight.

5.What has the capacity to break planet got to do with Hulk, current hulk is a massive powerhouse and has tanked a lot.

6.That I agree but when has silver surfer shown MASSIVE DURABILITY TO PHYSICAL FORCE?? Zeus wasn’t able to one shot HULK who’s a skyfather, and Lord Mar-VELL was able to one shot surfer.

7.Hulk = Bruce Banner (in most of the situations). Hulk does not INTENTIONALLY kill ppl, ppl die because of the AFTERMATH of the battle.

8.WB hulk =/= in the same sense that Classic Thor =/= Thor . Think of it this way hulk HAD NO AMP still we say they are different because WB hulk has way better feats than normal hulk. Same goes with Classic thor.

9.Hulk has shown a lot better durability post 2000 and your scans are all pre 1990. Few scans are professor hulk and you should know a lot better than me how different a normal hulk is to professor hulk. Thor one shotting Hulk is from what again, yeah PRE 1990 can u show me THOR one shotting current HULK??????????

10.Why even bring FAIL itself in the battle, let’s see angrir <<<thing because he LOST TO SPIDERMAN. Thor killed him big deal. Nul was BFRed which we all know thor can BFR hulk, thor NEVER BEAT Nul but himself FAINTED!

11.HOW EXACTLY DOES BRB WIN BTW??

@Killemall said:

@ cRAZY _ SAMAEL666

1.That is a rediculios claim, simply because it is NOT from heroes reborn but from Avengers Volume 2, Issue # 5, and IS CANNON.

It is not canon. That was Heroes reborn Thor, not 616 Thor.

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Killemall said:

@ cRAZY _ SAMAEL666

1.That is a rediculios claim, simply because it is NOT from heroes reborn but from Avengers Volume 2, Issue # 5, and IS CANNON.

It is not canon. That was Heroes reborn Thor, not 616 Thor.

Good point lol

But knowing crazy_samael

he might say its the same Thor

of course horsey wins, he is almost as strong as the thunder god himself

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@Killemall said:

@ cRAZY _ SAMAEL666

1.That is a rediculios claim, simply because it is NOT from heroes reborn but from Avengers Volume 2, Issue # 5, and IS CANNON.

It is not canon. That was Heroes reborn Thor, not 616 Thor.

Good point lol

But knowing crazy_samael

he might say its the same Thor

@czarny_samael666 said:

I don't refuse to belive You that he was king of it or not. I simply don't see how this planet gets destroyed.

It isn't spelled out, but it shouldn't have to be. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Which is more likely: that the Easter Bunny's world just happened to mysteriously be crescent-shaped with debris rising and floating around it and no one, not even the Authority who were on the fraggin' planet and bolted before Lobo killed the Easter Bunny never noticed THAT HALF OF IT WAS MISSING or that Giffen back then wrote Lobo as absurdly powerful?

Seriously, dude. This is quite possibly and literally the biggest stretch to discount a feat I have ever seen. For real.

@czarny_samael666 said:

I don't refuse to belive You that he was king of it or not. I simply don't see how this planet gets destroyed.

It isn't spelled out, but it shouldn't have to be. Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

Which is more likely: that the Easter Bunny's world just happened to mysteriously be crescent-shaped with debris rising and floating around it and no one, not even the Authority who were on the fraggin' planet and bolted before Lobo killed the Easter Bunny never noticed THAT HALF OF IT WAS MISSING or that Giffen back then wrote Lobo as absurdly powerful?

Seriously, dude. This is quite possibly and literally the biggest stretch to discount a feat I have ever seen. For real.

@czarny_samael666: If there were bombs at work, they would have made an explosion. Earlier in the book Lobo destroys a planet with a bomb and an explosion is seen in space. I've already pointed out that Lobo's weapons are weaker than he is. And it's grasping at straws to claim bombs were involved when no mention is ever made of them being planted on Easter Bunny world. How else would Lobo damage a planet if not by strength or weaponry? Throwing on "etc" doesn't magically give you more possibilities of what happened.

By the logic you're using, Mxyzptlk could've randomly wandered by and vaporized half the planet, cause it never says he doesn't. Please answer this question: have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

There aren't more clear feats of planet busting, certainly not clear enough for some people at least, but Lobo does bust planets.

@czarny_samael666 said:

But I've heard that Lobo has more clear planet busting feats, is it true?

Planet busting feats aren't necessarily the best feats. As mentioned a few times in this thread Lobo condensed a city into something the size of a gumball ... then ate it like galactus ... this is pretty much impossible unless you are a matter manipulator ... meaning superman prob can't do this and BRB def. can't ... this feat alone shows he is stronger ... it seems small but it really isn't it is a huge strength feat much bigger than any BRB feats IMO.

Not to mention he has destroyed planets in the past ... it doesn't matter if it is a bomb or a gun or whatever ... he can use it point blank and survive while killing BRB ...

@czarny_samael666 said:

But I've heard that Lobo has more clear planet busting feats, is it true?

Planet busting feats aren't necessarily the best feats. As mentioned a few times in this thread Lobo condensed a city into something the size of a gumball ... then ate it like galactus ... this is pretty much impossible unless you are a matter manipulator ... meaning superman prob can't do this and BRB def. can't ... this feat alone shows he is stronger ... it seems small but it really isn't it is a huge strength feat much bigger than any BRB feats IMO.

Not to mention he has destroyed planets in the past ... it doesn't matter if it is a bomb or a gun or whatever ... he can use it point blank and survive while killing BRB ...

@czarny_samael666: If there were bombs at work, they would have made an explosion. Earlier in the book Lobo destroys a planet with a bomb and an explosion is seen in space. I've already pointed out that Lobo's weapons are weaker than he is. And it's grasping at straws to claim bombs were involved when no mention is ever made of them being planted on Easter Bunny world. How else would Lobo damage a planet if not by strength or weaponry? Throwing on "etc" doesn't magically give you more possibilities of what happened.

By the logic you're using, Mxyzptlk could've randomly wandered by and vaporized half the planet, cause it never says he doesn't. Please answer this question: have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?

There aren't more clear feats of planet busting, certainly not clear enough for some people at least, but Lobo does bust planets.

@czarny_samael666:

Lobo #11 EDIT: done with bombs

Authority/Lobo: Spring Break Massacre

Mister Miracle #13

Action Comics #695

Infanticide had some good feats in it.

wow this went on longer then i thought.

@czarny_samael666 said:

2.It matters. Gun won't be effective, because of Stormbreaker.

If he can hit him he can surely shoot him at point blank ... don't disregard his speed feat ... and yes he is stupid enough and durable enough to do it and survive.

@Suggs44 said:

Bill ftw here

@majestic99 said:

@Suggs44 said:

Bill ftw here

Lobo IMO

Lobo isn't aloud in heaven because THE god cannot control him. He isn't aloud in hell because THE devil is afraid of him. He's battled entire pantheons at once. He slapped superman around during "Day of the Krypton Man." He has a sense of smell that somehow (though illogically) can find you anywhere in the universe. With standard equipment he has a "spacebike" that can travel translight speed. He's shrugged off multiple nuclear explosions at once. He cannot die.

I can probably provide scan or at the very least sources for all these feats. He takes down Beta ray Bill like a child.

@Onemoreposter said:

I can probably provide scan or at the very least sources for all these feats. He takes down Beta ray Bill like a child.

I mean he surely wins ... but he'll get hit and all ... it's either a draw or lobo wins ... there really isn't any other option to this fight.

Bump.

Lobo.

Lobo FTW!

BRB.

Beta ray bill outclasses him in every way Beta ray bill ftw

beta ray bill easily.

Beta Ray Bill doesn't outclass Lobo in EVERYTHING. The only advantages he has are versatility (debatable if Lobo has ALL his gear), flight (without taking Spazfrag 666 into account), and Stormbreaker. Everything else is either relatively even or in Lobo's favor.

Lobo wins 7/10.

Horseface.

Lobo

Lobo.

Lobo in a good fight. Bill is amazingly skilled and capable of fighting better in some cases than Thor, but Lobo's ludicrous durability, his impressive gear, and good striking means that he can win here.

Bill Stomps

BRB may not be able to kill him, but he should still come out on top in a fight.

Lobo wins.

Lobo

Bill