Lobo and Juggernaut Vs Hulk and Darkseid

So which team would win ? Team Lobo or Team Hulk ?  
 
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Darkseid solos

@demifiendninja: Juggernaut channels near infinite Mystical Energy, courtesy of Cyttorak. Lobo is immortal and has insane regeneration. Explain how Darkseid solos.

@demifiendninja: Pretty sure that was a lobo clone that fought DS not the real lobo....

Probably Team 2.

@demifiendninja: Omega Effect is powerful. I know about the matter manipulation and the teleportation part. But BFR'ing Juggernaut will not work cause Cyttorak can transport Juggernaut anywhere. And this is not Superman. Juggernaut has loads of mystical defenses that protect him against matter manipulation and stuff. He was reduced to a skeleton and still kept fighting. He resisted the GodBlast. He also has the ability to conjure spells like the one time when he turned his body into a black hole. Darkseid will have a tough time beating him unless he is more powerful than Cyttorak, which he is not. Marko channels near infinite mystical energy.

Now, Darkseid is phenomenally powerful, that I agree. If it is normal Juggernaut, Darkseid can outsmart him and possibly beat him. He can rip apart his helmet and telepathically attack him. If it is 8th Day or Trion, Darkseid is going down hard. Adding Lobo is overkill. Hulk is a non-factor in this fight unless it is worldbreaker.

And please show scans of Darkseid beating Lobo.

@darkazrael999 said:

@demifiendninja: Omega Effect is powerful. I know about the matter manipulation and the teleportation part. But BFR'ing Juggernaut will not work cause Cyttorak can transport Juggernaut anywhere. And this is not Superman. Juggernaut has loads of mystical defenses that protect him against matter manipulation and stuff. He was reduced to a skeleton and still kept fighting. He resisted the GodBlast. He also has the ability to conjure spells like the one time when he turned his body into a black hole. Darkseid will have a tough time beating him unless he is more powerful than Cyttorak, which he is not. Marko channels near infinite mystical energy.

Now, Darkseid is phenomenally powerful, that I agree. If it is normal Juggernaut, Darkseid can outsmart him and possibly beat him. He can rip apart his helmet and telepathically attack him. If it is 8th Day or Trion, Darkseid is going down hard. Adding Lobo is overkill. Hulk is a non-factor in this fight unless it is worldbreaker.

And please show scans of Darkseid beating Lobo.

You keep saying this stuff like Cyttorak always has Juggernaut's back and is watching him every fight. He isn't, Juggernaut has been beaten plenty of times.

In addition his "ability" to conjure spells is not relevant since it has happened like 2 times in 50 years, and is not going to be happening here for no reason.

@demifiendninja: Someone said above that Darkseid didn't defeat the real Lobo and only a clone. Which one is that?

Team 2 mainly because of DS

@darkazrael999 said:

@Man_of_Miracles: It was revealed that when Marko engages in 'unnecessary heroics' he actually becomes weaker. He starts becoming stronger and stronger as he embraces his dark, destructive personality. And Cyttorak has watched his back. Transporting him to the Xavier Mansion when Hulk and his Warbound attacked, preventing him from dying and enabling him to conjure spells. Just because some writers show PIS moments like the Hulk vs Juggernaut fight above, that is no reason to disregard his power. We know he can do those stuff and there is no such thing as PIS or WIS happening in these battle threads that is gonna prevent him from using his power. Sure, Darkseid is really powerful. He can match Juggernaut and overpower him but so can Juggy. I am just stating what he can and cannot do.

You are not stating what Juggernaut can do. You are stating what Cytorrak has assisted him in doing.

1. Conjuring spells is not in Juggernaut's powerset. It has happened less than a handful of times, and Cyttorak was assisting him.

2. Cytorrak is not in this fight. Juggernaut is, which means while he can draw on power from the crystal, he can not receive outside help from Cytorrak.

3. Juggernaut=/= Cytorrak

@darkazrael999 said:

@Man_of_Miracles: Juggernaut's power is Cyttorak's power and vice-versa. Cyttorak had been banished from the Earth Realm to the Crimson Cosmos. Since he cannot himself 'visit' the Earth Realm, he channels his power through The Crimson Gem of Cyttorak. The Gem transforms the one wielding it into Cyttorak's Exemplar, granting his power to the user. Cyttorak will obviously assist Juggernaut since he draws his power from Cyttorak and the Crimson Cosmos. Kind of like a Herald but different cause Cyttorak constantly channels power and helps his Exemplar as long as the Exemplar embraces his/her destructive side. Cyttorak cannot 'act' on his own and so he 'acts' through his Exemplar. There are many theories, which changes from writer to writer but this is the most widely accepted one.

Centuries ago, most likely before the battle between Xorak and the Ancient One, a group of monks tried to summon Cyttorak but instead of conjuring the Elder God, they instead brought forth his darkest and most destructive personality. This was probably the first Juggernaut and Gomurr (a powerful sorcerer) with the help of his friend Tar banished this entity into the Crimson Gem.

Juggernaut is not Cyttorak.

He is a small portion of Cyttorak.

Again, it is Juggernaut in this fight, not Cyttorak.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@darkazrael999: Lobo is a non-factor to Darkseid. The real deal hurt his hand punching Darkseid's face.

Um, pretty sure he broke his nose headbutting Seid as well.

Team 2 wins. Darkseid solos via BFR or Hulk knocks off Juggs helmet and DS mindf^&%ks him after he casually kills/KO's Lobo.

DS solos

It wasn't a clone of Lobo, it was the real deal. Darkseid solos.

 
@80sBaby said:

Team 2 wins. Darkseid solos via BFR or Hulk knocks off Juggs helmet and DS mindf^&%ks him after he casually kills/KO's Lobo.

@darkazrael999 said:

@demifiendninja: That last part is pure PIS. Juggernaut overpowered Green Scar and even then Hulk didn't beat him, he outwitted him. Juggernaut was unfazed by Mjolnir and took a godblast no sweat. Besides, when Marko starts engaging in heroics, Cyttorak starts depowering him. When he embraces his true destructive nature, that's when he unlocks his true power and becomes truly unstoppable.

I hate the word PIS. Whenever there's an incredible feat, someone shouts PIS. I mean it makes me want to scream.

Anyway, Darkseidc wins.

@demifiendninja said:

Darkseid solos

This is true.

With BFR disabled I go Team 1.

I honestly see Lobo ripping Hulk to shreds, while Juggernaut charges Darkseid. Juggernaut has an insane healing factor, pretty much unlimited strength, ridiculous durability, and steals momentum. Darkseid was able to beat Lobo, but I don't think he'll be beating Lobo and Juggs together.

@7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning wanna back me up here?

Thanks for reading,

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Darkseid and HULk got this

@MasterJohn said:

@darkazrael999 said:

@demifiendninja: That last part is pure PIS. Juggernaut overpowered Green Scar and even then Hulk didn't beat him, he outwitted him. Juggernaut was unfazed by Mjolnir and took a godblast no sweat. Besides, when Marko starts engaging in heroics, Cyttorak starts depowering him. When he embraces his true destructive nature, that's when he unlocks his true power and becomes truly unstoppable.

I hate the word PIS. Whenever there's an incredible feat, someone shouts PIS. I mean it makes me want to scream.

Anyway, Darkseidc wins.

really!?

oh please tell me what do you think about this?

Darkseid solo's, he can remove Lobo from existence and has shown on multiple occasions that he has the ability to absorb or utlize someone else's mystical energy to greatly enhance his own in crisis, GDS, imperiex war and with Etrigan, possibly others as well.