- No Prep
- No BFR
- Bloodlust
- Fight to death or opponent can't fight anymore
WHO WINS?
battle is up so lets debate this thing
WHO WINS?
@justleader battle is up so lets debate this thing
well yeah but after 2 minutes there wont be any electricity in my place so i'll return tomorrow but you can post how do you see the outcome and i'll answer you tomorrow
Sue...again.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff.
You can't be so sure of that, she has the ability to do it, she can in the comics, and if she said she can and her powers are that she can make force fields, what is stopping her?
@BlueLantern1995 said:
I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it?
Because she can put force fields wherever she wants, and they can get pretty big. It's natural to assume she can, especially since she already can in the comics.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
And she would never, ever kill people.
Irrelevant, this battle is bloodlusted.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.
Why is that again?
@BlueLantern1995 said:
Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously
A bubble exploding within his head isn't exactly an external wound, and the head isn't the same as any other part of the body.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen.
She wouldn't have to hide
@BlueLantern1995 said:
If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious
She's held a lot more things contained more powerful then The Lizard struggling..like a huge ferris wheel, a supernova human torch, and she never even went unconscious during any of these times either.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.
Blocked by her shield
@BlueLantern1995 said:
Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.
She's gone offensive only a few times, there's no telling how fast or slow it is. And you can't assume that the Lizard will break through, when very little has broken through Sue.
@BlueLantern1995 said:
@justleader Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff. I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it? And she would never, ever kill people. Not unless if Malice popped up in between first and 2nd movies which I highly doubt as we would know if that had happened cause the story would be at least mentioned in Silver Surfer.
You and I can't prove either way if what she said is true or not...I think one way you think another so lets just say that I know Lizard loses if she had the power...in fact she beats anyone in the Marvel movies...but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.
Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously, furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen. If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.
Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.
u said bloodlust so if she has the power she would use it.she has the power. she puts a field around his brain and slams it.his body shuts down and the fight is over. she would now she can do it bexause it makes sense lol i mean y wouldent she be able to.thats like saying spiderman xant hit a newspaper stand bexause he never did it before
@BlueLantern1995 said:
@justleader Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff. I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it? And she would never, ever kill people. Not unless if Malice popped up in between first and 2nd movies which I highly doubt as we would know if that had happened cause the story would be at least mentioned in Silver Surfer.
You and I can't prove either way if what she said is true or not...I think one way you think another so lets just say that I know Lizard loses if she had the power...in fact she beats anyone in the Marvel movies...but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.
Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously, furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen. If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.
Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.
This part of your argument makes no sense.
Invisible Woman wins
Sue keeps him paralyzed within her shields, the same method used to Reed when she flatten him. Imploding him
@BlueLantern1995: if she can make a forcefield in side of a mail box why cant she do it inside of a lizards head. she dident kill doom because she is not a murder and was not in a bloodlust. i dont need to prove it you need to disprove it. people have ears.an ear is a hole.she has shown the abilty to expand her force fields. now watch this.
she puts a forcefield in his ear and makes it bigger untill his head blows off. our reasoning for why she couldent do this perfectly logical thing is that......she hasent.
Sue blows up the lizards brain with a force field. Its not like shes gonna have any morals on, shes fighting a giant lizard lawl
@BlueLantern1995 said:
@karetaker If it hasn't been shown it can't be proven so no need to say it is logical. It doesn't matter. This is based on what can be proven.
LOL it hasn't been proven that the Lizard can break force fields, so I guess that means he cant do it....
@toby5678910 said:
@BlueLantern1995 said:
@karetaker If it hasn't been shown it can't be proven so no need to say it is logical. It doesn't matter. This is based on what can be proven.
LOL it hasn't been proven that the Lizard can break force fields, so I guess that means he cant do it....
lol this@BlueLantern1995 said:
@karetaker he would heal just as quickly as she can think...he heals as fast as he can make the cells.
but if his brain is destroyed he would die and wouldent regenerate.your making him sound immortal
@BlueLantern1995 said:
@karetaker As fast as she is going to implode he is going to regenerate...she wouldn't smash his entire skull before he starts regenerating.
But anyway, I don't think I can prove my point so I'll just stop...people are not listening very well to my arguments. Like for example @toby5678910 I never said he demonstrated the ability to smash her forcefield all I said is something of equal force weakened her(that being Doom using lightning/electical attack).
You cant prove that its equal force, show me the math...
Sue held a supernova with her force field, Supernova>Lizards Punches.
The most damaging attack Spider-man took wasn't from the Lizard, it was from the bullet of some random cop.
@HBKTimHBK: is her pain tolerance super human? and I think I recall her putting down a barrier when it started to hurt. I should go to youtube, haven't watched the movies in a while (for obvious reasons)
@toby5678910: how do you know johny's super nova deals any type of kinetic force against the field?
@Jorgevy said:
@HBKTimHBK: is her pain tolerance super human? and I think I recall her putting down a barrier when it started to hurt. I should go to youtube, haven't watched the movies in a while (for obvious reasons)
She's held a supernova, an explosion, Dr. Doom's lightning, and a giant Ferris Wheel without putting her force field down until she could. I still need proof that Lizard equals out to that, let alone whether she could withstand him. You need Lizard feats, not Sue feats. And you also need to show how gravely injured she was during those times, a nose bleed does not mean she is under a lot of pain. She was exhausted, sure, but she never stopped until it was possible.
@Jorgevy said:
@HBKTimHBK: I get the explosion and the ferris wheel? but the lightning and supernova? does it deal kinetic energy? and if it does is it proportonial to the power behind it or is it different?
Even then, the Ferris Wheel alone is more powerful then anything the Lizard has been shown to do. When the Lizard's hits get stronger then a collapsing Ferris Wheel, let me know, but until then, he can't touch her.
@HBKTimHBK said:
@Jorgevy said:
@HBKTimHBK: I get the explosion and the ferris wheel? but the lightning and supernova? does it deal kinetic energy? and if it does is it proportonial to the power behind it or is it different?
Even then, the Ferris Wheel alone is more powerful then anything the Lizard has been shown to do. When the Lizard's hits get stronger then a collapsing Ferris Wheel, let me know, but until then, he can't touch her.
okay i've been searching and all I've got is flipping vans and shattering concrete. Also he can deal punches at 75 mph. (and psionic control of reptiles but yeah..) yeah with these feats maybe he can compare to the ferris wheel.... I'll sucede until the next movie comes
@Jorgevy: I disagree with flipping a van comparing to holding up a falling gigantic Ferris Wheel, and you can wait, but I HIGHLY doubt the Lizard will be involved in the sequel.
@BlueLantern1995: ok this is how i see it:
this battle really comes down if you want to consider if invisible woman has the ability to explode people, but she can do it in the comics so it makes sense that she can use it in the movies and she didnt display it because like you said she cant kill anyone so they cant put sue killing someone with that power, and she wouldnt use it on doom since he is the main villian, his defeat must be in a special way not sue oneshotting him. so i guess the writers of the movie decided only to mention this ability not display it.
on the other hand if you dont want to consider IW has this ability i think she loses since she only has defensive power, like invisibility(which is not useful in this fight like you said lizard will sense it) and the forcefield which is a defensive power, and the bubble which will only delay the fight, so non of these powers are really useful, while lizard is stronger, faster, more durable, and more agile so he can defeat IW when she gets weak. and people saying that IW has lightspeed reaction is just wrong since other than her three powers she doesnt have anything superhuman.
@justleader said:
@BlueLantern1995: ok this is how i see it:
this battle really comes down if you want to consider if invisible woman has the ability to explode people, but she can do it in the comics so it makes sense that she can use it in the movies and she didnt display it because like you said she cant kill anyone so they cant put sue killing someone with that power, and she wouldnt use it on doom since he is the main villian, his defeat must be in a special way not sue oneshotting him. so i guess the writers of the movie decided only to mention this ability not display it.
on the other hand if you dont want to consider IW has this ability i think she loses since she only has defensive power, like invisibility(which is not useful in this fight like you said lizard will sense it) and the forcefield which is a defensive power, and the bubble which will only delay the fight, so non of these powers are really useful, while lizard is stronger, faster, more durable, and more agile so he can defeat IW when she gets weak. and people saying that IW has lightspeed reaction is just wrong since other than her three powers she doesnt have anything superhuman.
She dosen't have to explode him, she just puts a bubble over his head till he runs out of oxygen. She would watch him suffocate 100 feet overhead on an invisible platform...
Why would you not consider all of IW's abilities ? That's like saying we shouldn't consider the lizards super strength because he would 1 shot Sue if he hits her. Sue is being put into a situation where she has to use her powers offensively to survive. On top of that she is blood-lusted in this fight. Why on earth would you think sue would only use her powers defensively ???
@toby5678910:
you misunderstood me, i said because she didnt display this power and it was only mentioned you should consider two cases here, if you consider that she has this power she wins, if not she loses, that's all im saying.
OMG enough with the Movie Lizard threads!
Movie Sue would curbstomp
Movie Jean could beat him
Movie Storm would Curb Stomp him
Movie Cyclops could one shot him
Movie Hulk demolishes him
Movie Wolverine
Moive Thor
Movie Captain America
etc..
So lets not get any more ideas, because I answered most of these RIGHT HERE , JUST NOW!
Movie Sue Storm but it won't be as easy as everyone thinks.
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