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#1 Posted by BlueLantern1995 (2448 posts) - - Show Bio
  • No Prep
  • No BFR
  • Bloodlust
  • Fight to death or opponent can't fight anymore

WHO WINS?

battle is up so lets debate this thing

#2 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

well yeah but after 2 minutes there wont be any electricity in my place so i'll return tomorrow but you can post how do you see the outcome and i'll answer you tomorrow

#3 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

invisible woman

#4 Posted by superman69 (334 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker said:

invisible woman

This.

#5 Posted by Nefarious (21970 posts) - - Show Bio

Invisible Woman wins with ease.

#6 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue...again.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff.

You can't be so sure of that, she has the ability to do it, she can in the comics, and if she said she can and her powers are that she can make force fields, what is stopping her?

@BlueLantern1995 said:

I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it?

Because she can put force fields wherever she wants, and they can get pretty big. It's natural to assume she can, especially since she already can in the comics.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

And she would never, ever kill people.

Irrelevant, this battle is bloodlusted.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.

Why is that again?

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously

A bubble exploding within his head isn't exactly an external wound, and the head isn't the same as any other part of the body.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen.

She wouldn't have to hide

@BlueLantern1995 said:

If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious

She's held a lot more things contained more powerful then The Lizard struggling..like a huge ferris wheel, a supernova human torch, and she never even went unconscious during any of these times either.

@BlueLantern1995 said:

furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.

Blocked by her shield

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.

She's gone offensive only a few times, there's no telling how fast or slow it is. And you can't assume that the Lizard will break through, when very little has broken through Sue.

#7 Edited by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff. I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it? And she would never, ever kill people. Not unless if Malice popped up in between first and 2nd movies which I highly doubt as we would know if that had happened cause the story would be at least mentioned in Silver Surfer.

You and I can't prove either way if what she said is true or not...I think one way you think another so lets just say that I know Lizard loses if she had the power...in fact she beats anyone in the Marvel movies...but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.

Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously, furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen. If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.

Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.

u said bloodlust so if she has the power she would use it.she has the power. she puts a field around his brain and slams it.his body shuts down and the fight is over. she would now she can do it bexause it makes sense lol i mean y wouldent she be able to.thats like saying spiderman xant hit a newspaper stand bexause he never did it before

#8 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

Well as I see it, the scene Invisible Woman said she had the ability to make people explode is just a bluff. I mean how would she honestly know she had the ability without using it? And she would never, ever kill people. Not unless if Malice popped up in between first and 2nd movies which I highly doubt as we would know if that had happened cause the story would be at least mentioned in Silver Surfer.

You and I can't prove either way if what she said is true or not...I think one way you think another so lets just say that I know Lizard loses if she had the power...in fact she beats anyone in the Marvel movies...but as I have stated I have serious doubts she even has those abilities as are known to us anyway.

Any external wound to Lizard will be healed almost instantaneously, furthermore if she goes invisible he could smell her out her out like he did Gwen. If she tries to suffocate him or hold him still in her forcefield. Lizard will just hold his breathe and struggle and by the time she would have him dead, he will be free and she will be unconcious furthermore when she is dead Lizard will just with a slash of his claws kill her.

Her powers are defensive in nature and her offensive output in movies is super low. There is no way she could find a way to kill him in time,eventually Lizard would attack her forcefield and sometime her shield will go down and she will die.

This part of your argument makes no sense.

Invisible Woman wins

#9 Posted by Charmix (11958 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue keeps him paralyzed within her shields, the same method used to Reed when she flatten him. Imploding him

#10 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue Q

#11 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: if she can make a forcefield in side of a mail box why cant she do it inside of a lizards head. she dident kill doom because she is not a murder and was not in a bloodlust. i dont need to prove it you need to disprove it. people have ears.an ear is a hole.she has shown the abilty to expand her force fields. now watch this.

she puts a forcefield in his ear and makes it bigger untill his head blows off. our reasoning for why she couldent do this perfectly logical thing is that......she hasent.

#12 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: you compleatly ignored my post. i already explained it to you with simple logic using a ear a mailbox and the concept of growth as an example

#13 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

although Sue could do the exploding macguffin field thing, I think Lizard is too fast for her to actually do it on him. That being said, Im still pondering on who wins

#14 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: she can make multiple shields. and her fields are produced at the speed of thought. she could make a field around herself protecting her and whyle the lizard is breaking through it (or trying to) she xan tag him

#15 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: doom shot lighting at her and she put up a field before it hit her. thats faster than the speed of light

#16 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: she could just put a bubble around his head and squeeze it down untill his skull pops.

#17 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue stomps. Bloodlusted Sue is an overkill.

#18 Posted by toby5678910 (340 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue blows up the lizards brain with a force field. Its not like shes gonna have any morals on, shes fighting a giant lizard lawl

#19 Posted by toby5678910 (340 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

If it hasn't been shown it can't be proven so no need to say it is logical. It doesn't matter. This is based on what can be proven.

LOL it hasn't been proven that the Lizard can break force fields, so I guess that means he cant do it....

#20 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@toby5678910 said:

@BlueLantern1995 said:

If it hasn't been shown it can't be proven so no need to say it is logical. It doesn't matter. This is based on what can be proven.

LOL it hasn't been proven that the Lizard can break force fields, so I guess that means he cant do it....

lol this@BlueLantern1995 said:

he would heal just as quickly as she can think...he heals as fast as he can make the cells.

but if his brain is destroyed he would die and wouldent regenerate.your making him sound immortal

#21 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: Use updated versions, and please show how the Lizard is stronger then the Ferris Wheel she was able to hold up. The Lizards regeneration is not that fast, the way your describing it, it sounds like he could solo Jean Grey.

#22 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

She did bleed everytime she was putting on a strain..... This is closer than it looks, IMo mainly because of Lizard's speed and wall crawling

#23 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

She did bleed everytime she was putting on a strain..... This is closer than it looks, IMo mainly because of Lizard's speed and wall crawling

So she bled, it's not like she stopped. Believe me, it's not closer than it looks.

#24 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: pain + bleeding = eventually stops

@BlueLantern1995: where is it taking place? what time of the day?

#25 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

@HBKTimHBK: pain + bleeding = eventually stops

There's no proof she eventually stops, she's dealt with worse and kept going until she could stop. It's not internal bleeding or a serious injury, it's a nosebleed.

#26 Edited by toby5678910 (340 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995 said:

As fast as she is going to implode he is going to regenerate...she wouldn't smash his entire skull before he starts regenerating.

But anyway, I don't think I can prove my point so I'll just stop...people are not listening very well to my arguments. Like for example I never said he demonstrated the ability to smash her forcefield all I said is something of equal force weakened her(that being Doom using lightning/electical attack).

You cant prove that its equal force, show me the math...

Sue held a supernova with her force field, Supernova>Lizards Punches.

The most damaging attack Spider-man took wasn't from the Lizard, it was from the bullet of some random cop.

#27 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: is her pain tolerance super human? and I think I recall her putting down a barrier when it started to hurt. I should go to youtube, haven't watched the movies in a while (for obvious reasons)

@toby5678910: how do you know johny's super nova deals any type of kinetic force against the field?

#28 Edited by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

@HBKTimHBK: is her pain tolerance super human? and I think I recall her putting down a barrier when it started to hurt. I should go to youtube, haven't watched the movies in a while (for obvious reasons)

She's held a supernova, an explosion, Dr. Doom's lightning, and a giant Ferris Wheel without putting her force field down until she could. I still need proof that Lizard equals out to that, let alone whether she could withstand him. You need Lizard feats, not Sue feats. And you also need to show how gravely injured she was during those times, a nose bleed does not mean she is under a lot of pain. She was exhausted, sure, but she never stopped until it was possible.

#29 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: I get the explosion and the ferris wheel? but the lightning and supernova? does it deal kinetic energy? and if it does is it proportonial to the power behind it or is it different?

#30 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy said:

@HBKTimHBK: I get the explosion and the ferris wheel? but the lightning and supernova? does it deal kinetic energy? and if it does is it proportonial to the power behind it or is it different?

Even then, the Ferris Wheel alone is more powerful then anything the Lizard has been shown to do. When the Lizard's hits get stronger then a collapsing Ferris Wheel, let me know, but until then, he can't touch her.

#31 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: need to look for a concrete form of evaluating Lizard's strenght and punches, but I'll let you know

#32 Edited by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK said:

@Jorgevy said:

@HBKTimHBK: I get the explosion and the ferris wheel? but the lightning and supernova? does it deal kinetic energy? and if it does is it proportonial to the power behind it or is it different?

Even then, the Ferris Wheel alone is more powerful then anything the Lizard has been shown to do. When the Lizard's hits get stronger then a collapsing Ferris Wheel, let me know, but until then, he can't touch her.

okay i've been searching and all I've got is flipping vans and shattering concrete. Also he can deal punches at 75 mph. (and psionic control of reptiles but yeah..) yeah with these feats maybe he can compare to the ferris wheel.... I'll sucede until the next movie comes

#33 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio
#34 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: yeah but I was speculating about the 75 mph x mass he has = kinetic force, so it could be better than the van thing.

Yeah, you are right about that spoiler, but you know comics, that actually makes it more probable that he might show up again...

#35 Posted by charlieboy (7173 posts) - - Show Bio

i think sue has got this although she is not as impressive as the comics sue. 

#36 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: I wouldn't be so sure, it'd be a bad story if they just kept reusing the Lizard. I think the man in the post credits scene will be the new villain.

#37 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: right, probably not for this next movie... but new villains can come and kick Sue's butt >=] or the F4 reboot can come and we can get a decent Susan...

#38 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: That Fantastic 4 reboot is a long time coming I believe.

#39 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: I heard they already have someone on the script, and with all the super hype, maybe they'll speed it up

#40 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5259 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jorgevy: For some reason I think Spider-Man will come before.

#41 Posted by Jorgevy (5114 posts) - - Show Bio

@HBKTimHBK: my bet is the year before

#42 Posted by Erik (33329 posts) - - Show Bio

Sue easily.

#43 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlueLantern1995: ok this is how i see it:

this battle really comes down if you want to consider if invisible woman has the ability to explode people, but she can do it in the comics so it makes sense that she can use it in the movies and she didnt display it because like you said she cant kill anyone so they cant put sue killing someone with that power, and she wouldnt use it on doom since he is the main villian, his defeat must be in a special way not sue oneshotting him. so i guess the writers of the movie decided only to mention this ability not display it.

on the other hand if you dont want to consider IW has this ability i think she loses since she only has defensive power, like invisibility(which is not useful in this fight like you said lizard will sense it) and the forcefield which is a defensive power, and the bubble which will only delay the fight, so non of these powers are really useful, while lizard is stronger, faster, more durable, and more agile so he can defeat IW when she gets weak. and people saying that IW has lightspeed reaction is just wrong since other than her three powers she doesnt have anything superhuman.

#44 Edited by toby5678910 (340 posts) - - Show Bio

@justleader said:

@BlueLantern1995: ok this is how i see it:

this battle really comes down if you want to consider if invisible woman has the ability to explode people, but she can do it in the comics so it makes sense that she can use it in the movies and she didnt display it because like you said she cant kill anyone so they cant put sue killing someone with that power, and she wouldnt use it on doom since he is the main villian, his defeat must be in a special way not sue oneshotting him. so i guess the writers of the movie decided only to mention this ability not display it.

on the other hand if you dont want to consider IW has this ability i think she loses since she only has defensive power, like invisibility(which is not useful in this fight like you said lizard will sense it) and the forcefield which is a defensive power, and the bubble which will only delay the fight, so non of these powers are really useful, while lizard is stronger, faster, more durable, and more agile so he can defeat IW when she gets weak. and people saying that IW has lightspeed reaction is just wrong since other than her three powers she doesnt have anything superhuman.

She dosen't have to explode him, she just puts a bubble over his head till he runs out of oxygen. She would watch him suffocate 100 feet overhead on an invisible platform...

Why would you not consider all of IW's abilities ? That's like saying we shouldn't consider the lizards super strength because he would 1 shot Sue if he hits her. Sue is being put into a situation where she has to use her powers offensively to survive. On top of that she is blood-lusted in this fight. Why on earth would you think sue would only use her powers defensively ???

#45 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

@toby5678910:

you misunderstood me, i said because she didnt display this power and it was only mentioned you should consider two cases here, if you consider that she has this power she wins, if not she loses, that's all im saying.

#46 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

OMG enough with the  Movie Lizard threads! 
 
Movie Sue would curbstomp 
Movie Jean could beat  him 
Movie Storm would Curb Stomp him 
Movie Cyclops could one shot him 
Movie Hulk demolishes him 
Movie Wolverine 
Moive Thor 
Movie Captain America  
etc..
 
So lets not get any more ideas, because I answered most of  these  RIGHT HERE , JUST NOW!

#47 Posted by ComicStooge (13790 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Cap couldn't beat him and neither could movie Wolverine.

#48 Posted by ChaosMarvel (997 posts) - - Show Bio

Lizard. Invisible Woman was that powerful offensively.

#49 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio
@BlueLantern1995: Cyclops takes his visor off and no more Lizard. He'd get blown back before he's able to get close enough 
 
Don't get me started on Storm,it's painfully obvious that she stomps him in several ways.  
 
Captain America has enhanced durability and is a better fighter,His shield would decapitate Lizard and block form his claws 
 
Wolverine has just as good of a healing factor.(See X3)
#50 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20429 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Sue Storm but it won't be as easy as everyone thinks.