Living Tribunal vs. the Phoenix Force.

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#1  Edited By cracks

Who wins? Both at full power.
 
The Phoenix Force itself. Not White Phoenix of the Crown, Dark Phoenix or Green Phoenix. 

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Didn't WPOTC possess all of the phoenix force?
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#3  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: The Phoenix Force would defeat White Phoenix of the Crown. What I just said makes no sense for obvious reasons, but hopefully you get the point. 
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#4  Edited By Stormultt

LT duh...
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#5  Edited By cracks
@Stormultt: Oh. Mi dispiace. Io non so.
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#6  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Can the Phoenix Force defeat Molecule Man?
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@cracks said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Can the Phoenix Force defeat Molecule Man? "

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man? Definitely not.
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#8  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: How about Molecule Man's other "versions?"
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@cracks said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: How about Molecule Man's other "versions?" "

The Phoenix Force actually can beat virtually every other weaker version of him
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#10  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Does the same go for the Beyonder?
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@cracks said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Does the same go for the Beyonder? "

Yes
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#12  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Except for Pre-Recton Beyonder right?
 
Which versions of Molecule Man and Beyonder can defeat Living Tribunal?
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@cracks said:
" @The Mjolnir Wielder: Except for Pre-Recton Beyonder right?  Which versions of Molecule Man and Beyonder can defeat Living Tribunal? "

Well, I personally don't think anyone can beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder (a few may be able to stalemate him). The only versions of the two that could beat LT are Pre-Retcon. LT easily beats every other version.
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#14  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Hmm... Cool. Not to sound annoying but could you answer my other questions under my forum topics in my account?? Don't feel obliged.
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@cracks said:
"@The Mjolnir Wielder: Hmm... Cool. Not to sound annoying but could you answer my other questions under my forum topics in my account?? Don't feel obliged. "

Sure, I'll answer them right now.
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#16  Edited By cracks
@The Mjolnir Wielder: Thanks.
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#17  Edited By GamorasBigDaddy
@cracks said:
"Who wins? Both at full power.  The Phoenix Force itself. Not White Phoenix of the Crown, Dark Phoenix or Green Phoenix.  "

Either could win here, That's For sure...  
Would even favor PF actually.. 
 
GBD
 
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#18  Edited By Superparody

I am thinking... LT takes this....he is more powerful then the infinity guantlet
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#19  Edited By czarny_samael666
@Superparody said:
" I am thinking... LT takes this....he is more powerful then the infinity guantlet "
Pheonix Force is more powerfull than IG too.
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#20  Edited By FLCL1

i facepalm this thread: *facepalm XD
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#21  Edited By Superparody
@czarny_samael said:
" @Superparody said:
" I am thinking... LT takes this....he is more powerful then the infinity guantlet "
Pheonix Force is more powerfull than IG too. "

hmmm didnt know that...wait a minute then what was she doing when thanos was runing around with it like a little child...I dont remember the phoenix doing anything cool
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#22  Edited By czarny_samael666
@Superparody said:
" @czarny_samael said:
" @Superparody said:
" I am thinking... LT takes this....he is more powerful then the infinity guantlet "
Pheonix Force is more powerfull than IG too. "
hmmm didnt know that...wait a minute then what was she doing when thanos was runing around with it like a little child...I dont remember the phoenix doing anything cool "
Pheonix Force is multiversal. It is not like other abstracts. It is something like Multi-Eternity. Probably that's why it didn't appear in that comic.
Pheonix Force has avatars in each universe. For example in 616 it is often Jean or Rachel. And I belive that they are weaker than Eternity or Infinity. It's complicated, but we know that most powerfull version of PF's avatar is White Pheonix of the Crown (this woman had universe in her hands).
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#23  Edited By Batosaims7

LT blinks
Phoenix Force is gone

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#24  Edited By cracks
@Batosaims7: hmm...        %Pr
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#25  Edited By Ronyc

TOAA>>>>>>(infinitely)>>>>>>>LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phoenix Force
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#26  Edited By MrDirector786

Living Tribunal takes this.

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#27  Edited By geraldthesloth

LT pimpsmacks that bird like Manu Ginobili did to that bat.

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#28  Edited By GamorasBigDaddy

You guys gotta realize that for high feats & acts by the LT(Like for IG) he needs the TOAA to allow him to do so, like act & allow power to perform such thing... 
 
TOAA won't be interferring at all her cause the PF has just as strong a connection to TOAA as the LT does.  
  

 
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#29  Edited By geraldthesloth
@GamorasBigDaddy: Besides the fact TOAA has no connection to the phoenix force
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#30  Edited By GamorasBigDaddy
@geraldthesloth said:
" @GamorasBigDaddy: Besides the fact TOAA has no connection to the phoenix force "

Yes it does... 
 
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#31  Edited By Tevnoba

LT beats the PF hands down.

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#32  Edited By geraldthesloth
@GamorasBigDaddy said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @GamorasBigDaddy: Besides the fact TOAA has no connection to the phoenix force "
Yes it does...   "
And that would be?
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#33  Edited By Tevnoba
@GamorasBigDaddy said:
" You guys gotta realize that for high feats & acts by the LT(Like for IG) he needs the TOAA to allow him to do so, like act & allow power to perform such thing...  TOAA won't be interferring at all her cause the PF has just as strong a connection to TOAA as the LT does.      "
No PF connection is not as strong as LT.  Although TOAA created the Phoenix Force to be the force of life, he created LT to be the Judge of ALL abstracts which include PF.
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#34  Edited By hyperbeing

maybe not i mean both of them are recuuring and both of them have a strong connection . also lt would save the white phoenix from anyone who threatens her

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#35  Edited By Pokergeist

From mutiple Comic quotes and LT vs PF threads I always thought them even. PF has ALWAYS been described and shown to Creat as well Destroy entire Universes of the Marvel Mutliverse. Thats its job and has avatars that seem to weild its will, well parts of its will.  
 
The PF creats and destroys Galactus, Eternity, and Death. The top three of any Marvel Verse. LT has shown to above a Marvel Verse by directly negating the IG. So How is one really by FEATS ALONE stronger or more powerful than the other? There is no feats period. Its a tie really.
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#36  Edited By hyperbeing

thats kinda what i beilive cause i think they both are top dogs of the multiverse cause both of them judge accept one requres the and agrrement and the other can just judge whenever

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#37  Edited By chriskalaani

Living Tribunal stomps in half a second. spite threads are getting ridiculous

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#38  Edited By kingkronos

Will you people stop bumbing obvious "winner" battles? Especially if you think it's a spite thread.

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Living Tribunal

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What a pointless bump. LT devastates all the versions of the Phoenix at once.

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@cracksYou cannot destroy an entity that will can never die, and a vessel for all sentinels of life even life not yet born. The Phoenix will exist in the omniverse forever, tapping into life not created and use it's energy anyway it deems necessary.. The Phoenix force can also, absorb any amounts of energy from all creatures big or small existing in the omniverse and weld the energy at any level.

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lt

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LT decimates

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Regarding the actual versions, a Phoenix avatar (cyclops) has been killed by God doom, while IG black panther gave him a better fight. I don't know if God doom is stronger than LT, I think he's not, but a Phoenix avatar is not the Phoenix force. Even so I would say LT.

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Tribunal blinks the Phoenix force out of existence

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LT wins IMO.

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