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#1 Edited by Metalslash (178 posts) - - Show Bio

No superman was able to defeat Lt all by himself. Lets see if they can do it togather.

All types of superman which have ever appeared in history of comic combined as ONE along with all the items they ever got in history of comic like sword of superman, thought robot etc. you can also take those guys which are not actually supes like kal kent, composite supes etc.

Both bloodlusted. Morals off. Battle in neutral verse with nothing present there. No sun is present.

all supermans who needs to charge their powers are fully charged but they don't have anything to charge their powers in between the battle.

Who will win. Give reasons.

#2 Posted by P0rtal (872 posts) - - Show Bio

STOP!!!!.....Hammer Time Dahhhhh nah nah nahhhh, da nah, da nahhhhh

#3 Edited by Nefarious (22947 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal.

#4 Posted by Frocharocha (2454 posts) - - Show Bio

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

#5 Posted by tomlikesfries (4923 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk because he is the strongest there is.

#6 Posted by Killemall (18607 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't this border on the omnipotent threshold that vine does not allow?

Anyhow, LT every freakin time.

#7 Posted by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

LT murderstomps.

#8 Posted by age_of_ultron_Prime2000 (1217 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

#9 Posted by emmbro30 (249 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

The biggest mismatch of 2013.

What he said! Not even close!

#10 Posted by Qpzmg (976 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

#11 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (20339 posts) - - Show Bio

Lt

#12 Posted by King-Stranglehold da first (3226 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

The biggest mismatch of 2013.
#13 Posted by thanobomb1124 (2020 posts) - - Show Bio

Ouch

#14 Posted by e3zombie (720 posts) - - Show Bio

@NeonGameWave: Dante could take him. :P

#15 Edited by NeonGameWave (9141 posts) - - Show Bio

@e3zombie:With the Heart of the Universe, but other than that LT would wreck him.

#16 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

#17 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

#18 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

The same chance an ant would have to a dinosaur.

#19 Posted by Hyperlight (6649 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: i agree

#20 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

#21 Posted by BigCimmerian (8887 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal wins.

#22 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

The same chance an ant would have to a dinosaur.

if that ant is a billion feat tall and a trillion feat long and has super anti dinosuar venom, yes your are correct a ant to a dinosaur

#23 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

the sword of superman merges him with presence so this is presence vs LT and presence takes it

#24 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

the sword of superman merges him with presence so this is presence vs LT and presence takes it

That's never been confirmed so speculation at best. We've never seen him with the full power of the sword and we likely never will(thank bajeebus). All incarnations of Superman rolled into one is still weaker than the LT for multiple reasons. 1. The LT is present in all realities at the same time. 2. The LT is omnipotent in every sense of the word topped only by PR Beyonder*, Molecule Man*, and TOAA.(* means debatable). 3. Superman in any form is STILL powered by the Sun. The LT can and probably would blink out every sun/super sun in existence. He could pull a HOM Wanda and say "no more supermen", He could even make Wanda do it. He could seal them in a pocket dimension. He could blink them from existence.

There is NO conceivable way a super superman could take on the LT. AT ALL

#25 Posted by AllStarSuperman (23013 posts) - - Show Bio

if presence is combined into superman he wouldnt need any sun

#26 Posted by X_insignia1 (1395 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

the sword of superman merges him with presence so this is presence vs LT and presence takes it

That's never been confirmed so speculation at best. We've never seen him with the full power of the sword and we likely never will(thank bajeebus). All incarnations of Superman rolled into one is still weaker than the LT for multiple reasons. 1. The LT is present in all realities at the same time. 2. The LT is omnipotent in every sense of the word topped only by PR Beyonder*, Molecule Man*, and TOAA.(* means debatable). 3. Superman in any form is STILL powered by the Sun. The LT can and probably would blink out every sun/super sun in existence. He could pull a HOM Wanda and say "no more supermen", He could even make Wanda do it. He could seal them in a pocket dimension. He could blink them from existence.

There is NO conceivable way a super superman could take on the LT. AT ALL

The Living Tribunal isn't omnipotent, he's nigh, he's been topped by Protege, Thanos w/ the HOTU and obviously Pre-retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man along with TOAA, but nevertheless he still wins this battle.

#27 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@X_insignia1 said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

the sword of superman merges him with presence so this is presence vs LT and presence takes it

That's never been confirmed so speculation at best. We've never seen him with the full power of the sword and we likely never will(thank bajeebus). All incarnations of Superman rolled into one is still weaker than the LT for multiple reasons. 1. The LT is present in all realities at the same time. 2. The LT is omnipotent in every sense of the word topped only by PR Beyonder*, Molecule Man*, and TOAA.(* means debatable). 3. Superman in any form is STILL powered by the Sun. The LT can and probably would blink out every sun/super sun in existence. He could pull a HOM Wanda and say "no more supermen", He could even make Wanda do it. He could seal them in a pocket dimension. He could blink them from existence.

There is NO conceivable way a super superman could take on the LT. AT ALL

The Living Tribunal isn't omnipotent, he's nigh, he's been topped by Protege, Thanos w/ the HOTU and obviously Pre-retcon Beyonder and Molecule Man along with TOAA, but nevertheless he still wins this battle.

My point still stands and also I know he's nigh omnipotent. I just didn't type it out. Thanos w/HOTU essentially has the power of TOAA and also protege had the powers of the LT. Never the less, the LT still stomps.

#28 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

Aahahahahaha No.gif(I don't have the cat gif so just imagine it in place of those words)

Anywho, no. Superman in any form or fashion has no chance against the LT. While DC's superpowered tier of heroes(superman, wonder woman, flash, GL, etc) seem to be ridiculously more powerful than their Marvel counterparts(thank you marvel for no making them like that, sneezing solar systems anyone?) once you reach the level of reality warpers and Abstracts and above Marvel FAR outstrips DC comics in 98% of the cases, Event the wrath of god, the Spectre who's second to the presence is wholly inconsistent and comparing him the the LT just makes it worse. Some might even argue that the Presence isn't as powerful as stated as compared to TOAA who's untouchable.

the sword of superman merges him with presence so this is presence vs LT and presence takes it

That's never been confirmed so speculation at best. We've never seen him with the full power of the sword and we likely never will(thank bajeebus). All incarnations of Superman rolled into one is still weaker than the LT for multiple reasons. 1. The LT is present in all realities at the same time. 2. The LT is omnipotent in every sense of the word topped only by PR Beyonder*, Molecule Man*, and TOAA.(* means debatable). 3. Superman in any form is STILL powered by the Sun. The LT can and probably would blink out every sun/super sun in existence. He could pull a HOM Wanda and say "no more supermen", He could even make Wanda do it. He could seal them in a pocket dimension. He could blink them from existence.

There is NO conceivable way a super superman could take on the LT. AT ALL

LT versuing PR MM, and PR B, is not that debatable. They just beat LT. It was stated in the comic, that all the beings in the universe were germs to him, including LT.

#29 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@Frocharocha said:

Unless LT is fighting Superman Prime. Super has no chances.

Are you implying Supeman Prime can beat LT?

yup if its superman one million with cosmic armor sword of superman and 5 dimensional powers he has a chance

The same chance an ant would have to a dinosaur.

if that ant is a billion feat tall and a trillion feat long and has super anti dinosuar venom, yes your are correct a ant to a dinosaur

If the Living Tribunal moved his index finger Superman Prime would die.

#30 Posted by comicace3 (6696 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok ummm I have a thought of who wins here...

#31 Posted by Sideslash (5918 posts) - - Show Bio

Well done, biggest spite thread of 2013!

I was going to say of all of Comic Vine, but the Hulk vs TOAA thread tops this one. Just barely.

#32 Posted by logy5000 (6167 posts) - - Show Bio

Not sure why everybody is saying that this is a stomp.

Superman could put up a fight.

#33 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Ah well fair enough on that part then lol

#34 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@jeanroygrant: Ah well fair enough on that part then lol

Lol, yeah.

@logy5000 said:

Not sure why everybody is saying that this is a stomp.

Superman could put up a fight.

-___________________________________________________- No.

#35 Edited by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1730 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by All_Mighty_Beyonder (1730 posts) - - Show Bio

@beautifulrevery said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

mmm, tough one, but i think Superman wins...

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a place in graveyard

dude, what's going on with that spoiler? And no Superman doesn't win. He gets blinked out of existence.

re-open the spoiler i did fix it few seconds after the original post.

#38 Posted by dondave (38907 posts) - - Show Bio

@logy5000: how could superman put up a fight

Online
#39 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

The biggest mismatch of 2013.

LT stomps, but it's not that bad, dude.

#40 Posted by Nefarious (22947 posts) - - Show Bio
@blackadamFTW said:

@Nefarious said:

The biggest mismatch of 2013.

LT stomps, but it's not that bad, dude.

Oh. 
#41 Posted by beautifulrevery (1521 posts) - - Show Bio

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

@beautifulrevery said:

@All_Mighty_Beyonder said:

mmm, tough one, but i think Superman wins...

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a place in graveyard

dude, what's going on with that spoiler? And no Superman doesn't win. He gets blinked out of existence.

re-open the spoiler i did fix it few seconds after the original post.

Agreed lol

#42 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious: Still pretty bad, though, haha :)

#43 Posted by Nefarious (22947 posts) - - Show Bio
@blackadamFTW: True. I don't see how to make this an even match. LOL :D
#44 Posted by jashro44 (25557 posts) - - Show Bio

When a moderator locks this can they reset my karma?

#45 Posted by rpottage (899 posts) - - Show Bio

ALL Supermen combined with ALL their items?

Then Superman wins. I mean that's the God-level Golden Superman Prime 1 Million with the Cosmic Armor, the Sword of Superman, and powered by SA Superman force.

Remember that right there is essentially Myx with omniscience, omnipresence, tremendous power that constantly adapts to overcome future threats, and the SA Superman force (I.E. Random BS powers to overcome any situation).

#46 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nefarious said:

@blackadamFTW: True. I don't see how to make this an even match. LOL :D

Make Superman the Living Tribunal, haha :P

#47 Posted by Nefarious (22947 posts) - - Show Bio
@blackadamFTW said:

@Nefarious said:

@blackadamFTW: True. I don't see how to make this an even match. LOL :D

Make Superman the Living Tribunal, haha :P

Good idea. Much like making one a Herald. :) 
#48 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

The strongest version of Superman was 5th dimensional.

The Living Tribunal is 16th dimensional. He can manipulate the 5th dimension as easily as we can manipulate the 1st-3rd dimension. In fact, he can do it much more easily.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#49 Posted by rpottage (899 posts) - - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

The strongest version of Superman was 5th dimensional.

The Living Tribunal is 16th dimensional. He can manipulate the 5th dimension as easily as we can manipulate the 1st-3rd dimension. In fact, he can do it much more easily.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

DC dimensional =/= Marvel Dimensional.

They may have the same name, but their potentials are drastically different. Until a 16-dimensional Marvel character literally destroys comicbook reality, or enters to real world to meet the writers; DC 5th dimensional is more powerful.

#50 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

@rpottage said:

@Floopay said:

The strongest version of Superman was 5th dimensional.

The Living Tribunal is 16th dimensional. He can manipulate the 5th dimension as easily as we can manipulate the 1st-3rd dimension. In fact, he can do it much more easily.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

DC dimensional =/= Marvel Dimensional.

They may have the same name, but their potentials are drastically different. Until a 16-dimensional Marvel character literally destroys comicbook reality, or enters to real world to meet the writers; DC 5th dimensional is more powerful.

Beyonder, Molecular Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Abraxas, Galactus (alternate reality), Thanos (HoTU and Infinity Gauntlet), and so many others, some of which well below 16th dimensional, have affected multiverses.

As far as entering the real world, that was non-canon. And when has a 5th dimensional being destroyed all of reality?

Thanks for reading,

Floopay