Living Tribunal vs Nemesis
We know that LT can contrel the Infinity Gems when not in unisen, and whether or not he can actually defeat someone with the IG, ie Warlock, is debatable, even though most put LT above the IG, how would he fair against Nemesis, whom the Gems are actually from and are a part of, since the seventh gem, the Ego gem, contains her consciousness, she would be a step up from an IG bearer, I take it! So, what would happen if Nemesis went head to head with LT for control of the MU?
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On the power scale, LT is directly below TOAA.
He is well established, not some character made to explain a stupid plot device.
'Nuf said.
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
" @spekqj said:" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "And than he renders the gauntlet useless. "
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" @spekqj said:" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "And than he renders the gauntlet useless. "
Exactly. The LT is definately more powerful than the IG. But nemesis, as the living embodiment of seven gems, may prove far more difficult. Nonetheless, I think the LT clinches it.
Has there ever been such an immense battle shown in marvel?
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@CapitolPunishment said:@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?Creating Living Tribunal.
The creation of the abstracts was shown in a completely different comic arc years before Nemesis and that being was just referred to as the "Infinity being". The “Infinity being” that was shown in that Thanos arc looked nothing like Nemesis. Was it ever stated on panel that these were the same being? Or did the IG gems just form a conscious of their own and create Nemesis? I think they are two different being all together.
Nemesis was made during a crossover between Malibu and Marvel and this was the only time it was shown, if they are the same and hold the same power set I can see it defeating the LT but I have not seen any proof of this.
@spekqj said:I believe that he was asked to do so, their was no resistance. I believe the point is, that should a user competent enough like Warlock, who wasn't actually as good with the IG as Thanos, chooses to not relinquish the IG, then the LT will have a fight on his hands, and the only way he can render it powerless, is if he wins, if that makes sense?" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
@czarny_samael said:@CapitolPunishment said:I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?Creating Living Tribunal.
The Infinity Being created Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang
@Assman said:Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?@czarny_samael said:The Infinity Being created Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang@CapitolPunishment said:I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?Creating Living Tribunal.
@Cort said:@Assman said:Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?@czarny_samael said:The Infinity Being created Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang@CapitolPunishment said:I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?Creating Living Tribunal.
He came as a representative of TOAA.
@Cort said:It isn't. Nemesis with only Ego Gem and IG won't be as powerfull as she was. She would have to have all IGs from all dimensions.@Assman said:Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?@czarny_samael said:The Infinity Being created Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang@CapitolPunishment said:I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?Creating Living Tribunal.
Nemesis has multiversal power as long as I know. LT's power is beyond multiversal level. He is more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined except for HOTU or TOAA.
Its something like this:
Living Tribunal > Multi-Eternity
Multi-Eternity = an infinite number of universes.
Living Tribunal > an infinite number of universes.
In summary, LT wins.
@spekqj said:Which doesn't exactly make him more powerful than the IG. If he had actually battled Thanos, Nebula or Warlock and overpowered them, then it would be out of question, but he didn't actually do anything impressive (like challenging one of them and defeating them). Think of a (very large and powerful) toy car (the IG), then think of the person (LT) holding a remote control. That person may not be able to control or stop the toy on their own, but with the remote control, they can do whatever they want with it. LT may have had something to shut the IG down." @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
I bump this because i really want to know who wins.
Did Nemesis really create Living Tribunal and the Abstracts? If so does that mean she is directly below TOAA in power?
You know what I think. I think Nemises is the embodiemint of the gem and she's above everything except beyonder and TOAA. She created the celestrial but TOAA created Living tribunal a being created outside of her power which is above hers because TOAA is on a level outside of that reality. Similar to Beyonder.
So in other words if beyonder was vastly more powerful then living tribunal if he created a being to be his will it would be more powerful then the living tribunal because he's already on another level.
@spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
I don't believe he's ever rendered a working IG useless??
LT.
Isn't Nemesis supposed to embody the entire creation of The One Above All, including the Living Tribunal...?
I feel like The Living Tribunal was probably Created to replace Nemesis. Just my fan theory though. She was there before the multiverse so to speak. She had total dominion. She could apparently will anything into being and destroy it all. But, so can The Living Tribunal. They both have identical power sets. So, stalemate. I hope they go on a date.
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