#1 Posted by Assman (1840 posts) - - Show Bio

We know that LT can contrel the Infinity Gems when not in unisen, and whether or not he can actually defeat someone with the IG, ie Warlock, is debatable, even though most put LT above the IG, how would he fair against Nemesis, whom the Gems are actually from and are a part of, since the seventh gem, the Ego gem, contains her consciousness, she would be a step up from an IG bearer, I take it! So, what would happen if Nemesis went head to head with LT for control of the MU? 
 

 
                                                                                           vs 
 

 
#2 Posted by Wario88 (1619 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal

#3 Posted by High Revolutionary (3166 posts) - - Show Bio

On the power scale, LT is directly below TOAA. 
  
He is well established, not some character made to explain a stupid plot device. 
 
'Nuf said.    
#4 Posted by King Saturn (224203 posts) - - Show Bio
Living Tribunal wins
#5 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio

Personally, I think Nemesis has good chance to be stalemate against  LT only if infinity gems do not irritate each other during the fight. 

#6 Edited by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

LT stomps
 
has everyone forgot what he did to Adam Warlock when he had the gems?

#7 Posted by spekqj (566 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.  
#8 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - - Show Bio
@spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.   "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
#9 Posted by ultimatewarrior123 (1374 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.   "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless. "

lol
#10 Edited by SpidermanPrimeZ (233 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" @spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.   "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless. "

Exactly. The LT is definately more powerful than the IG. But nemesis, as the living embodiment of seven gems, may prove far more difficult. Nonetheless, I think the LT clinches it.  
Has there ever been such an immense battle shown in marvel?
#11 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio

LT

#12 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@Assman said:

assman's profile? 
 
  




lance was here ^

  
    




#13 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio

Nemesis.

#14 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael
Nemesis feats?
#15 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
#16 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.

The creation of the abstracts was shown in a completely different comic arc years before Nemesis and that being was just referred to as the "Infinity being". The “Infinity being” that was shown in that Thanos arc looked nothing like Nemesis. Was it ever stated on panel that these were the same being? Or did the IG gems just form a conscious of their own and create Nemesis? I think they are two different being all together.

Nemesis was made during a crossover between Malibu and Marvel and this was the only time it was shown, if they are the same and hold the same power set I can see it defeating the LT but I have not seen any proof of this.

#17 Posted by lord_galactus (891 posts) - - Show Bio
Doom says 
#18 Posted by marvelrules2011 (728 posts) - - Show Bio

Living Tribunal

#19 Posted by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_galactus said:
Doom says 
#20 Edited by Lance Bastro (4744 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_galactus said:

Doom says 
 damn right i'm mad!
#21 Posted by lord_galactus (891 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lance Bastro said:
@lord_galactus said:

Doom says 
 damn right i'm mad!
LOL
#22 Posted by Assman (1840 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
@spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.   "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
I believe that he was asked to do so, their was no resistance.  I believe the point is, that should a user competent enough like Warlock, who wasn't actually as good with the IG as Thanos, chooses to not relinquish the IG, then the LT will have a fight on his hands, and the only way he can render it powerless, is if he wins, if that makes sense?
#23 Posted by Assman (1840 posts) - - Show Bio
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?
#24 Posted by Cort (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Assman said:
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?

The Infinity Being created  Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang
#25 Posted by Boobster (1608 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cort said:
@Assman said:
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?
The Infinity Being created  Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang
Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?
#26 Posted by Cort (85 posts) - - Show Bio
@Boobster said:
@Cort said:
@Assman said:
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?
The Infinity Being created  Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang
Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?

He came as a representative of TOAA.
#27 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17174 posts) - - Show Bio
@Boobster said:
@Cort said:
@Assman said:
@czarny_samael said:
@CapitolPunishment said:
@czarny_samael: Nemesis feats?
Creating Living Tribunal.
I don't believe LT's creation had anything to do with Nemesis?
The Infinity Being created  Living Tribunal as well as all the cosmic abstracts with the original Big Bang
Then how then LT negated the gauntlet which is exactly Nemesis minus Ego gem ?
It isn't. Nemesis with only Ego Gem and IG won't be as powerfull as she was. She would have to have all IGs from all dimensions.
#28 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

stalemate?
#29 Posted by ___Living_Tribunal_22__ (388 posts) - - Show Bio

Nemesis has multiversal power as long as I know. LT's power is beyond multiversal level. He is more powerful than the rest of Marvel combined except for HOTU or TOAA. 

Its something like this: 
 
Living Tribunal > Multi-Eternity 
 
Multi-Eternity = an infinite number of universes. 
 
Living Tribunal > an infinite number of universes. 
 
In summary, LT wins.
#30 Posted by Amazingoctus (3122 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
@spekqj said:
" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG.   "
And than he renders the gauntlet useless.
Which doesn't exactly make him more powerful than the IG. If he had actually battled Thanos, Nebula or Warlock and overpowered them, then it would be out of question, but he didn't actually do anything impressive (like challenging one of them and defeating them). Think of a (very large and powerful) toy car (the IG), then think of the person (LT) holding a remote control. That person may not be able to control or stop the toy on their own, but with the remote control, they can do whatever they want with it. LT may have had something to shut the IG down.
#31 Posted by Superskrull86 (1831 posts) - - Show Bio

Phs...Stomp
#32 Posted by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

I bump this because i really want to know who wins.

Did Nemesis really create Living Tribunal and the Abstracts? If so does that mean she is directly below TOAA in power?

#33 Posted by Perfect Cell (3470 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_galactus said:

@Lance Bastro said:
@lord_galactus said:
Doom says
damn right i'm mad!
LOL

LOL

#34 Posted by LiquidNazo (395 posts) - - Show Bio

You know what I think. I think Nemises is the embodiemint of the gem and she's above everything except beyonder and TOAA. She created the celestrial but TOAA created Living tribunal a being created outside of her power which is above hers because TOAA is on a level outside of that reality. Similar to Beyonder.

So in other words if beyonder was vastly more powerful then living tribunal if he created a being to be his will it would be more powerful then the living tribunal because he's already on another level.

#35 Posted by lordraiden (7139 posts) - - Show Bio

@spekqj said:

" @Matezoide: Yes, LT does very impressive work in that series, but LT states himself that he's not sure if he can surpass the IG. "

And than he renders the gauntlet useless.

I don't believe he's ever rendered a working IG useless??