Live Action Strt Trny: Dextersinister VS Jimmy(VOTES)

@dextersinister: I'm back, sorry for the delay. I'll post details about my TWD fodder along with my counter-strategy later today.

@raustle_al_ghul:

Alright so my TWD fodder will consist of

When I said fodder I was referring to your entire team

This **** is funny, but in a good way.

@tremble_in_fear: Very tough match up. I do feel bad though. But, you're putting up a hell of a fight.

@lukehero: I just spent four hours on a post and Comicvine just ate all of that shit when I went to submit. Gay af. I'm gonna try to re-write it but after that bullsh!t, I don't even know if I can muster up enough fcks to make it as good as it was. I hate this fcking site sometimes.

@tremble_in_fear:

The first thing I would Plan on doing is having Deathlok scan the area for heat signatures from the starting point to see exactly where your people are. Unless Harry and Hermione's invisibility cloak renders their heat signatures invisible too, Mike is going to see them along with everyone else on your team. He will then inform the team of your team's positioning and warn them not to take the direct approach.

Would you not need to get closer?

No, not that know of.

never watched the show but seeing heat signatures through multiple buildings across this distance seems unlikely.

You're probably right so I guess I'll just have to go with plan B.

Contingency Plan

Since I 'now' have substantive details about what your team is packing, I can counter. My original reply that got ate by this goddamn site was probably a lot better so I'm doing the bare minimum now.

The prime objective - kill the wizards - hasn't changed with this new approach.

Instead, I'll have Mike, Blade, Slade, and Kenshin approach position 20 via the docked speedboats provided. They will be approaching the the Crab House boat from behind so they aren't out in the open. Mike, Slade, and Blade will return fire if you try to come closer in order to snipe us while we make our ascent to pos. 20. Since Mike can detect your movements, trying to get at us this way wouldn't be wise. If all else fails, Mike and Blade can just jump the rest way from the speedboat to the position at about the the halfway point of the trip:

^^Blade out-performed this feat in the first movie so there's really no doubt that he's capable.

Once everyone arrives, they will have a clear view of your position. Kenshin, Blade, and Slade will be acting as protectors while Deathlok sets up for his shot. With basic knowledge, my team will be expecting the possibility of a visit from Wade bc they know that teleportation is one of his abilities. This means that they'll also have they're weapons drawn and their heads low to avoid getting sniped although you'll have to prove that your lasers, fireballs, and optic blasts have the range to extend the length of the map to reach my people. All the others have to do is stay alive long enough for Mike to kill those kids. Once your people are visible, your team is done for.

But where's everyone else at?

As much as I hate doing this, I may have to use the weaker members of the crew as bait to lure you out and force you to make a decision as to what you're willing to protect and what you're willing to give up in the way of strategy. The TWD peeps, Sojiro, and Chen Zhen will moving toward the original route (Parking zone) albeit slowly and carefully. They start making their move when Deathlok and the others begin making theirs. Since the back-to-back method sort of works against Deadpool (as we learned in X-Men Origins), I'll have Daryl and Merle out front leading the way with their guns n bows drawn, Carol and Sasha watch the sides w/ Chen, Michonne, Sojiro watching their six with their blades and nunchucks out. They won't be able to see Deadpool but it will take him at least 10 sec. to kill all of them, which is more than enough time for Deathlok. He'll be able to fire off at least 3-4 good shots from his launcher, killing the wizards, destroying T-1000's body, and possibly even Data in the blast radius. None of them, save for Wade, are fast enough to evade an explosion:

Slade, the tactical genius, will have sharp shooters, Merle, Carol, and Sasha set up in sniper positions across the map.

Deathlok will set up in that lighthouse-looking building directly across position 14 (near Village Lake)

These characters will be killed before they get a chance to react,

• How so?

Data has a starfleet tricorder so can pinpoint the location of lifeforms in a radius of miles.

• That's standard for Starfleet?

I can either snipe

• With what? and from where? Since my team will now split up with my main players heading toward the Crabhouse from behind, you won't have a good position on them. If you try to get at them on their way there than Mike will see you and start spamming rockets while the other people in the boat follow suit and start shooting in the same direction as Mike.

or teleport behind and kill them,

• They'll be expecting that move, especially in the event that they've already become visible. Deadpool's patented strategy (telespam behind, kick, repeat) is so predictable that Wolverine and Sabretooth (who are comparatively slower, less skilled combatants than all of the peak - superhumans on my team) figured out how to tag him:

So I'm pret-ty sure that tactical geniuses (Kenshin, Blade, and Slade) who are far more skilled, durable, faster with better reaction time could defend themselves against his pattern, especially with basic knowledge. Hell, Logan and Creed only had basic knowledge that they gained while fighting him and they managed to tag him -- my A-listers could do it quicker and more effectively.

in Deathloks case I will hit him through the walls with an optic blast,

• Which will do what exactly? Those optic blasts could barely singe Creed's clothes even after he took them point blank -- it's in the clip provided as well. So do Creed's clothes have a healing factor too???

The funny thing about the blasts is that they do much more damage to objects than they do people; they have less penetrating capacity and destructive properties than mere bullets lol. On people, they have an effect that's more akin to heavy blunt force, which sucks for you bc I have at least 3 guys on my team who tank heavy blunt force attacks on the reg and keep fighting. So basically, DP's optic blasts aren't KOing or killing any of my A-listers. The only thing they may be able to do is knock Mike back for a second but that's really it. He taken worse and gotten back up:

So in this clip we see Mike tanking what appears to be semi-auto assault rifle rounds, electric volts, and an ICER round straight to the dome. All of this "annoyed" him enough to retreat...through the ceiling. It should be noted that this happened in season 1, when Mike's tech and armor were modeled by A.I.M. and HYDRA. This past season, S.H.I.E.L.D. upgraded his armor and tech, making him durable enough to tank bullets without so much as flinching (kind of like that video you displayed featuring Data) as well as tanking a more potent form of electricity from an Inhuman. His recovery time and pain tolerance to electric volts has improved now as seen here:

So taking down Mike with concussive blasts that can't even incap less durable characters is not happening.

afterwards I will port over and deposit the t-1000.

• Cool, Mike will most likely be back on his feet by the time he brings his friend over. Then they can both meet Mr. Rocket up close and personal. It's a win/win. If all else fails, Mike can just jump out of there to regroup. Besides, I don't really need Mike around to beat your team after he kills the wizards. He can die as long as they are out of the way

The Potter wizards are also capable of casting detection spells which warns them of encroaching muggles.

• So the contingency plan is the safer way to play it then.

Mike's second shot will

He's dead before the first, even if the original plan had gone off it was silly to think that my characters stood around like lemmings giving you a chance to take that second.

• It's silly for you to think that they'd even survive the first shot. Oh and btw, 1 shot from Mike's launcher = 2 rockets. No one on your team is fast enough to avoid it. The wizards (and possibly Data) will be out of the game and then the rest of your team will die horribly.

During all of this, the snipers will begin taking shots at Data's chest and head. Dunno what kind of effect bullets will have on him so you'll have to fill in those blanks, especially considering how vague you were in your initial post regarding your characters stats.

He's bullet proof and telling your opponent every little detail is not mandatory, I prefer to give information only when needed. You know the basics of what all my characters can do which is all your characters should know going in, you know some of my characters can teleport and have lasers but wouldn't know about something more obscure like the specific function of a tricorder or what type of metal Data is made from.

• You didn't provide enough for me to work with. You didn't list physical stats, standard gear, or anything like like that. Maybe if you had provided some detail then I wouldn't have assumed so much. It's all good though fams, this is a good learning experience for me. I'm witnessing first-hand exactly how grimy these CAVs can be. Next time I do one of these, I'll have to remember to be just as "basic" with my character intros.

The rest of your team is out in the open, I can just move closer to the edge and let lose a sweeping barrage of wizard fireballs, optic blasts and laser fire with you being unable to react to invisible opponents,

• Not anymore. I've countered your cheap strategy with my own cheap contingency. Plus you're forgetting that once you focus all of your attention on the team approaching from the parking lot, you're averting your attention directly away from Deathlok, who would undoubtedly take advantage by soloing your team with rocket spam. So please do let lose a sweeping barrage of "wizard fireballs, optic blasts, and laser fire" while forgetting all about Deathlok behind directly behind your team (if following initial approach).

this group isn't even with the guy who can detect heat signatures

• If your above statement is how you're gonna go about handling my team then it won't even matter. If you don't address the problem that is Mike Peterson first and foremost, your team dies. Killing Mike is the key to your victory and killing the wizards off by utilizing the one person on my team that can detect them is the key to mine.

See how you react but I don't see you having much of chance, you split and assumed things would go a certain way,

• Let's just chalk it up to my inexperience in debating in these types of battles. I think I'm starting to get an idea of how thorough my replies have to be though.

you din't even hink about return fire,

• Bc I didn't know what kind of ranged capabilities your team had...bc you didn't provide that info...in your char intros...

teleportation or the distance your characters would need to travel between each other.

• I'm traversing through foreign territory...am I not allowed to test to the waters?

I also create 2 invisible zones for a reason during prep, I can bounce between the 2 and you wouldn't even know.

Your wizards will be dead long before these zones can do any significant damage to my team's numbers.

• Oh and I'm assuming that the invisibility spell will be rendered ineffective if someone who is using it is touched or harmed?

@tremble_in_fear:

Since I 'now' have substantive details about what your team is packing,

Instead, I'll have

You don't get to change your plan because the first one didn't work out especially when that plan involves working around information you don't have

So I can't have a plan B? I have to counter with my original plan even though my first plan was developed in ignorance and the lack of information that you gave me about your characters? You tell me how this is supposed to work. So I spent all of that time last night for nothing. Huh...

Not anymore. I've countered your cheap strategy with my own cheap contingency.

You haven't countered anything, what you're trying to do is practically time travel.

I thought that taking another approach is okay. Since the stealth approach was a no-go, a more direct approach would suffice. It's

Bc I didn't know what kind of ranged capabilities your team had...bc you didn't provide that info...in your char intros...

You don't have full knowledge.

Most of you're second post is all about a scenario that isn't happening, if we could go back and change things when something doesn't go well these would go on forever. You need to counter what

Okay. I'll scrap that post, go back and counter with the original plan as best I can then. Sorry, I really did think that I could have a plan B. Fair is fair.

I'm witnessing first-hand exactly how grimy these CAVs can be.

We are working as if are characters have limited knowledge and I did list gear, scanner phaser, portable teleporter. I didn't even read you're character bios.

Fantastic, what does that have to do with you not providing details in yours though?

Why are you planning as if you had intimate details about what my character could do? you shouldn't be doing that. I didn't plan as if my opponent had heat vision and you shouldn't be planning as if I have a scanner.

Basic knowledge about your characters abilities doesn't require full knowledge nor is it intimate. Knowing that Deadpool telespams from behind is something that anyone could figure out. Being prepared for the possibility that your teleporter may try to sneak up on us at anytime due to knowing that you have a teleporter isn't intimate either. I'm not planning for you as if I know you have a scanner but you provide that info in your strategy. So am I not supposed 'know' that you it? This is confusing..

The funny thing about the blasts is that they do much more damage to objects than they do people

That's PIS and it would be silly to say otherwise, Victors clothes weren't even damaged, I am also going by what the beams did to the chimney, school building, warehouse the evaporated guards.

You can't go by what Scott did with the beams. When Wade shot with them, they couldn't even destroy clothes. Plus Scott evaporating (if that's even what happened to them) fodder guards holds very weight considering that the more durable chars on my team wouldn't get evaporated by them. You have to prove that they could. You can't.

@tremble_in_fear:

The first thing I would Plan on doing is having Deathlok scan the area for heat signatures from the starting point to see exactly where your people are. Unless Harry and Hermione's invisibility cloak renders their heat signatures invisible too, Mike is going to see them along with everyone else on your team. He will then inform the team of your team's positioning and warn them not to take the direct approach.

Would you not need to get closer?

Not that I know of.

never watched the show but seeing heat signatures through multiple buildings across this distance seems unlikely.

Then I'll move him up to dock, where he has a clearer view. Is that not allowed either or is that okay with you?

Slade, the tactical genius, will have sharp shooters, Merle, Carol, and Sasha set up in sniper positions across the map.

Deathlok will set up in that lighthouse-looking building directly across position 14 (near Village Lake)

These characters will be killed before they get a chance to react,

• How so?

Data has a starfleet tricorder so can pinpoint the location of lifeforms in a radius of miles.

• Again, is that standard gear for Starfleet?

I can either snipe

• From where? My team is heading around near the parking zone, not inside of it. You don't even have a clear shot. If they post up behind the Planet Hollywood then you still don't have a clear shot.

or teleport behind and kill them,

• They'll be expecting that move, especially in the event that they've already become visible. Deadpool's patented strategy (telespam behind, kick, repeat) is so predictable that Wolverine and Sabretooth (who are comparatively slower, less skilled combatants than all of the peak - superhumans on my team) figured out how to tag him:

So I'm pret-ty sure that tactical geniuses (Kenshin, Blade, and Slade) who are far more skilled, durable, faster with better reaction time could defend themselves against his pattern, especially with basic knowledge. Hell, Logan and Creed only had basic knowledge that they gained while fighting him and they managed to tag him -- my A-listers could do it quicker and more effectively.

• You won't be able to anyone of that before Mike takes his shot. If you try to make a move on my team while Mike is at his position then he just fires toward Deadpool with EMP rockets (so he doesn't kill his team with the explosive ones) or alerts them that Deadpool is near them. An invisible enemy is formidable but he's not going to be able to kill everyone in that area within the length of time that it takes Mike to kill your wizards and lift that cloak. You still have to make a decision and going after my team before addressing Mike is the wrong one.

in Deathloks case I will hit him through the walls with an optic blast,

• Which will do what exactly? Those optic blasts could barely singe Creed's clothes even after he took them point blank -- it's in the clip provided as well. So do Creed's clothes have a healing factor too???

The funny thing about the blasts is that they do much more damage to objects than they do people; they have less penetrating capacity and destructive properties than mere bullets lol. On people, they have an effect that's more akin to heavy blunt force, which sucks for you bc I have at least 3 guys on my team who tank heavy blunt force attacks on the reg and keep fighting. So basically, DP's optic blasts aren't KOing or killing any of my A-listers. The only thing they may be able to do is knock Mike back for a second but that's really it. He taken worse and gotten back up:

So in this clip we see Mike tanking what appears to be semi-auto assault rifle rounds, electric volts, and an ICER round straight to the dome. All of this "annoyed" him enough to retreat...through the ceiling. It should be noted that this happened in season 1, when Mike's tech and armor were modeled by A.I.M. and HYDRA. This past season, S.H.I.E.L.D. upgraded his armor and tech, making him durable enough to tank bullets without so much as flinching (kind of like that video you displayed featuring Data) as well as tanking a more potent form of electricity from an Inhuman. His recovery time and pain tolerance to electric volts has improved now as seen here:

So taking down Mike with concussive blasts that can't even incap less durable characters is not happening.

afterwards I will port over and deposit the t-1000.

• Cool, Mike will most likely be back on his feet by the time he brings his friend over. Then they can both meet Mr. Rocket up close and personal. It's a win/win. If all else fails, Mike can just jump out of there to regroup. Besides, I don't really need Mike around to beat what's left of your team after he kills the wizards. He can die as long as they are out of the way.
• And this is considering that he even gets hit by the long-ranged optic blast. If he does stand there like a "lemming" then he gets knocked back slightly, then he regroups quickly.
  

The Potter wizards are also capable of casting detection spells which warns them of encroaching muggles.

• You already have the tricorder so do they even need to use this?

Mike's second shot will

He's dead before the first, even if the original plan had gone off it was silly to think that my characters stood around like lemmings giving you a chance to take that second.

• It's silly for you to think that they'd even survive the first shot. Oh and btw, 1 shot from Mike's launcher = 2 rockets. No one on your team is fast enough to avoid it. The wizards (and possibly Data) will be out of the game and then the rest of your team will die horribly. You know this all too well which is why you need such a cheap strategy to work. Your team's survival hinges on it. No invisibility cloak = dead team
  

During all of this, the snipers will begin taking shots at Data's chest and head. Dunno what kind of effect bullets will have on him so you'll have to fill in those blanks, especially considering how vague you were in your initial post regarding your characters stats.

He's bullet proof and telling your opponent every little detail is not mandatory, I prefer to give information only when needed. You know the basics of what all my characters can do which is all your characters should know going in, you know some of my characters can teleport and have lasers but wouldn't know about something more obscure like the specific function of a tricorder or what type of metal Data is made from.

• I'm not even gonna get into this again.

The rest of your team is out in the open, I can just move closer to the edge and let lose a sweeping barrage of wizard fireballs, optic blasts and laser fire

• After looking at the map again, I realized that this is just all wrong. If you move closer to the edge then you still wouldn't have a clear shot to take due to that that my team would behind the Planet Hollywood:

with you being unable to react to invisible opponents,

• So is Deadpool going to be unleashing a barrage of optic blasts (that won't actually hit my team) or will he be sneaking up on them? You're losing me here. Gotta pick your poison.

"Oh sunshine...you don't get both." - Carol Peletier

this group isn't even with the guy who can detect heat signatures

• If your above statement is how you're gonna go about handling my team - even though i now know that it would never work due to trajectory - then it won't even matter. If you don't address the problem that is Mike Peterson first and foremost, your team dies. Killing Mike is the key to your victory and killing the wizards off by utilizing the one person on my team that can detect them is the key to mine.

So I took from the points that I actually did counter within the context of my initial approach, which i know know is the only approach I can take. Just disregard my contingency plan...well you have already so never mind. I'm learning a lot about how this should be done from debating you so thanks for being the most challenging opponent I've ever faced. You're popping my CAV cherry a little too rough hard though so slow down some...you're 'my first' lol

@tremble_in_fear:

Simple question, what information should I have provided that I didn't?

• Look at some of the other char. intros that have been made by other participants. You'll see rundowns for the basic abilities and skill-sets that they possess, not silly rap videos and one-sentence write-ups. It's okay though. Like I said before, inexperience has played its' part with my pitfalls in this debate. Now that I know how grimy people can be in these types of debates, I will act accordingly the next time by familiarizing myself with my opponents chars. just in case they try to keep it "basic".

as far as I can see you are trying to react as if you had the perk full knowledge

• How's that?
• Irrelevant now, I re-wrote my post as if my contingency was never implemented. There are no remnants of it in the re-write.

You can't go by what Scott did with the beams. When Wade shot with them, they couldn't even destroy clothes.

Not damaging clothes is a plothole and you know it, you actually tried to make the claim that they couldn't even hurt flesh

fodder guards holds very weight considering that the more durable chars on my team wouldn't get evaporated by them.

• Using PIS as an excuse doesn't refute my claim or invalidate it. You still have to explain why the optic blasts did little more than slightly singe Creed's clothes but absolutely wrecked inanimate object beneath him?

I am going by the damage done the industrial chimney,

• And I pointed that out already. The optic blasts do more damage to objects than people, at least when Deadpool is firing them. Besides that one outlying feat from young Scott, when have his blasts ever killed anyone? In any case it doesn't matter because I know that Wade's blasts don't have the destructive capacity to kill or knock out the most durable members of my team.

your grenades rockets only feat was blowing up human yet you won't have me argue that it would have no affect on the more durable T-1000 because I'm using common sense.

• Explosives can still temporarily alter the structure and/or destroy his body although neither method will actually kill him. The rockets may not be able to kill him right out but they can definitely incapacitate him for periods of time. Shot gun shells poke holes in him so why wouldn't explosives have more destructive effect?

@tremble_in_fear: so did you concede the point on whether I should have supplied you with any other information?

@tremble_in_fear:

Then I'll move him up to dock, where he has a clearer view. Is that not allowed either or is that okay with you?

Clearer view of what? where I am, you don't know where I am, is your character just going to wander the park in the open until he see's heat signatures. If so then he gets sniped.

No, he'll have a clearer view of your position if I move him to the dock. He probably won't even need to do that though:

• This clip depicts exactly what Deathlok's eye implant is capable of. In the first segment, you see Aleka Amador, who had the exact same implant as Mike, using it to look through the surveillance van that Fitz-Simmons and Skye are inside of. The second segment depicts Grant Ward using a pair of glasses outfitted with the same tech (by Fitz-Simmons) to look through a wall.

It's X-Ray vision, B.

• I'm not really concerned about you sniping Mike even if your weapons do have the range to stretch the entirety of the map, which I doubt they do, then Mike could just tank it. He takes bullets to dome and keeps going, what do have in your arsenal besides wizard fireballs that could even hurt him? The only thing

How so?

Snipe or teleport kills, the characters you've sent out alone from the walking dead have no experience in dealing with this kind of sh*t, the idea that a shapeshifting monster or teleporting super killer could appear from anywhere will have them breaking down let alone the idea that they can prepare for it.

They live in a world surrounded by flesh-eating zombies...so I'm sure that they can psychologically adjust to this threat just fine. Anyway, since I can't implement any sort of contingency, I have to stick with my initial plan. In my initial plan, the TWD survivors aren't altogether anyway.

Again, is that standard gear for Starfleet?

Definitely, a mandatory piece of away team gear, " x amount of life signs x distance away" is said countless times throughout the shows.

Data even named his.

That's some pretty awesome tech, I gotta admit. Thank you.

From where? My team is heading around near the parking zone, not inside of it.

This is what you said, so you headed into the parking zone.

in order to get to the parking zone at the edge of the map.

• But I never stated that they were going to be traveling within the parking zone. Think about it...that would off the map. Remember when I placed Merle at the McDonald's while tracing the path? That's bc they are treading the path closest to the parking area. I'll just show you exactly how I planned to move my team (in my head) to avoid further confusion.

Deadpool's patented strategy (telespam behind, kick, repeat) is so predictable that Wolverine and Sabretooth (who are comparatively slower, less skilled combatants than all of the peak - superhumans on my team) figured out how to tag him:

What a horrible attempt at lowballing,

Not at all. I go feats that have actually been depicted rather than making stuff up that has never actually been depicted in order to fuel my claims. That's just me tho...

• he was restricted from only attacking them head on because of the restricted footing, he could not attack from behind, when he got the jump on Wolverine he would have had him dead if not for waiting for Striker to actually time in the command.

It doesn't matter if the footing was restricted, that's really all you've got to work with bc that's all that we saw him do. By canon showings, not speculative reasoning, Deadpool only attacks from the front or the back. Sure you could argue that he may have different attack patterns with more given space to work with but doing so also works against you as it is a No Limits Fallacy.

• you skipped ahead in the video, you left out the bit where he tagged them about 20 times before they got him once.

And? A direct encounter against my goons isn't gonna play out like that bc my goons more skilled, more refined combatants. Would you like me to prove this with video representations? Just say the word and I gotcha, no problem.

• I'm not going for melee, I'm going to blast them.

So now you're not going to sneak behind them but you're going to blast them. Let me take note of this so you won't be able to switch it up in your following reply. So, now, if you do try to switch it up, I can just come back to this statement. Appreciate it.

• Covered in the T-1000

I'm sorry, what was covered? All your description said was "the liquid metal guy". I'm confused -- please enlighten.

Cool, Mike will most likely be back on his feet by the time he brings his friend over. Then they can both meet Mr. Rocket up close and personal. It's a win/win. If all else fails, Mike can just jump out of there to regroup. Besides, I don't really need Mike around to beat what's left of your team after he kills the wizards. He can die as long as they are out of the way.

And this is considering that he even gets hit by the long-ranged optic blast. If he does stand there like a "lemming" then he gets knocked back slightly, then he regroups quickly.

I've seen nothing to show that he could tank the actual destructive blasts of the optics, either Sabretooth got pushed through tons of concrete, that would turn anyone on your team into pulp so it's either a case of PIS on the affect on Sabretooth or the guy is just incredibly durable.

• Again with the PIS argument. Refer to my last reply t

The guy was pushed deep through the concrete, the force behind that is tremendous.

You already have the tricorder so do they even need to use this?

It would be stupid of me not to cover my bases at no cost.

• Fair enough.

It's silly for you to think that they'd even survive the first shot. Oh and btw, 1 shot from Mike's launcher = 2 rockets. No one on your team is fast enough to avoid it. The wizards (and possibly Data) will be out of the game and then the rest of your team will die horribly. You know this all too well which is why you need such a cheap strategy to work. Your team's survival hinges on it. No invisibility cloak = dead team

If your above statement is how you're gonna go about handling my team - even though i now know that it would never work due to trajectory - then it won't even matter. If you don't address the problem that is Mike Peterson first and foremost, your team dies. Killing Mike is the key to your victory and killing the wizards off by utilizing the one person on my team that can detect them is the key to mine.

Why do you keep repeating this point, you have even addressed the point that Mike gets hit before he gets to fire

• With what? Optic blasts that can't even burn through trench coats? Good luck with that. I still have my doubts that the blasts could even push him back that far though. His armor could probably tank it. If not, then he just gets back up, super jumps to another position, and fires from there. Easy peasy.
• And I'm still waiting on you to prove that your ranged weaponry, blasts, and fireballs can reach as far as you claim that it can. What I'm gathering is that as long as my people don't get too close and stay out of your field of view, they should be alright as far as that aspect is concerned.

and your acting as if he has the ability to tag my characters before they get him.

• Bc he can. Harry, Hermione, and T-1000 don't move any faster than an average human and average humans can't outrun an explosions that have an area of effect. None of them are outrunning rockets and you know it.

The guy isn't fast, Deadpool

• He does.

Data have superhuman reflexes.

• He doesn't.

Since when is he fast and since when does he have superhuman reflexes? The only time I've ever even sen him run anywhere was at the end of Nemesis; if we're judging the speed he displayed in that film then he's comparatively slower than anyone on my team, including the human fodder. Yeah...you're gonna have to back this claim with evidence, I'm sorry.

Despite how much focus you've put on this character and his rockets he is simply not a factor.

This is how it plays out, he enters the building and is hit while in the building, I say he gets pulped, you say otherwise, doesn't make a difference, Deadpool ports over and drives a sword through his head as he was heading that way anyway.

• And you're speculating that he'd do that just bc his morals are off...even though he has no showings suggesting that he would do that...bc he has no blood-lusted feats outside of attempting to decapitate Wolverine...only after he was 'commanded' to do so by Stryker? *Stewie high-pitched voice*...Yeah, no. What most likely happens is that Wade stabs Mike, Mike grabs Wade in retaliation and either sticks him with a heart stopper or breaks his neck before he teleports away. Wow, speculating "is" fun. The difference between mine and yours is that mine are founded on things that Mike actually has done before.

*Sniff* *sniff*...I smell No Limits Fallacies in the air and they sure do stink.

He does not have the ability to react to Deadpool porting in so the idea that he can tag him with the rockets is a pipe dream especially when he was in a collapsing building.

• I'm confused...is he aiming for the building or is he aiming for Deathlok? You indicated that he'd hit Mike with the optic and then port T-1000 over to finish him off. So which is it?

So I took from the points that I actually did counter within the context of my initial approach, which i know know is the only approach I can take. Just disregard my contingency plan...well you have already so never mind. I'm learning a lot about how this should be done from debating you so thanks for being the most challenging opponent I've ever faced. You're popping my CAV cherry a little too rough hard though so slow down some...you're 'my first' lol

No worries.

On the optic blast thing just be aware I had the character do something so basic it borders on genius, I had him move his head while firing.

You're just south of planet hollywood.

If you remember during my prep I said I was doing this.

Deadpool will spend about 10 shredding up metal objects around the right side of the bridge and then spend 10 minutes doing that south of PH

The reason I did that was for this spell, the oppugno jinx

Hermione's used the spell on a flock of birds.

"Harry spun around to see Hermione pointing her wand at Ron, her expression wild: The little flock of birds was speeding like a hail of fat golden bullets toward Ron, who yelped and covered his face with his hands, but the birds attacked, pecking and clawing at every bit of flesh they could reach."

The description of the spells has objects attack someone

So in the above scan imagine if paper was replaced with lot's of pieces of shredded metal.

• If you intend to wait until my team gets close to Planet Hollywood then it will already be too late bc Mike will have already killed your wizards, rendering all of their hax ineffective. If you wait until they get to bridge and use it then it will kill some of the team, specifically the TWD survivors. Everyone else on my team is fast enough react and to double back behind the cover that pos. 21 provides. Sojiro can run fast enough to keep up with horse carriages, Kenshin is almost just as fast as Sojiro, Slade can move faster than the human eye can see, Blade can dodge/perceive bullets after they've been fired, and Chen Zhen can outrun gatling guns. And while the wizards have their attention focused on that side, they get destroyed by rockets.

I can't really follow what your intentions are from post to post. First you say that you're gonna hit my approaching team with a surprise attack of fireballs, lasers, and optic blasts - the last of which would require Wade to be present instead of focusing on Mike - but then you switch it up and say that you'll go after Mike first, and then you'll say that you'll have Wade sneak-port behind the approaching team and kill them all stealthily. You're just...all over the place with your counter strategies and Deadpool can't be everywhere nor can he do everything at once. What's really all that different between what you're doing now and what I tried to do by implementing a contingency plan to offset the first of your 15 plans?? If you can do it then I should be able to as well.

Dude, it's your choice. It's a good ploy too, using your opponent's lack of knowledge about your chars. against them I mean. I just wish that you had provided more info about your what your characters could actually 'do' in your intros in order to even the playing field a bit; I mean, you do already have the single most formidable character in this entire tourney so what did you have to lose by being a bit more substantive? I was only as detailed as I was with my char intros mine bc I was under the impression that doing so would show 'good form' in this type of debate.

Not a ploy, you are trying to operate as if you know what I am doing and as if you had full knowledge, your in the wrong here.

Nope, wrong. I'm operating with the limited knowledge that I do have about your characters and off of memory. I could've done research on your characters but I didn't bc I figured that doing so would be cheating. If I had substantive intel on your people then I wouldn't have complained about the lack of details on your char. bios. Use your head.

I find full bios to be a waste of time, people often tend to use knowledge that they shouldn't have.

Lesson learned. I'm never gonna put that much work into a char. bio again unless my opponent does. I should be thanking you.