Is this Onslaught with X-Man and Franklin? Because without them, Legion can solo.
Was thinking that. Not sure how these two would hold up to that Onslaught.
I don't know. Wasn't Hulk able to destroy his armor? It's been a long time since I read those Onslaught arcs. Does he have feats that match up to or surpass Legion?
What is Legion's mindset? Is he crazy or completely in control of his faculties?
He has complete control.
Thank you.
@CitizenBane said:
Anyway, Legion would crush the most recent Onslaught.
I believe a sane Legion would wipe Onslaught out of existence with a dismissive wave of his hand.
How so, wouldn't he be able to negate such thing with Franklin and Nates powers?
Franklin was swept up in Legion's AOX warp, so I think David's more powerful than him at present. Legion with all his powers is far more powerful than Nate, in addition to being a high-order telepath as well.
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
What is Legion's mindset? Is he crazy or completely in control of his faculties?
He has complete control.
Thank you.
@CitizenBane said:
Anyway, Legion would crush the most recent Onslaught.
I believe a sane Legion would wipe Onslaught out of existence with a dismissive wave of his hand.
How so, wouldn't he be able to negate such thing with Franklin and Nates powers?
Franklin was swept up in Legion's AOX warp, so I think David's more powerful than him at present. Legion with all his powers is far more powerful than Nate, in addition to being a high-order telepath as well.
What is Legion's mindset? Is he crazy or completely in control of his faculties?
He has complete control.
Thank you.
@CitizenBane said:
Anyway, Legion would crush the most recent Onslaught.
I believe a sane Legion would wipe Onslaught out of existence with a dismissive wave of his hand.
How so, wouldn't he be able to negate such thing with Franklin and Nates powers?
He'll negate it with his own power, and use Franklyn's power to turn Legion into a statue. Use Nate's power to open a portal into X-Men: Forever and Iceman will end up killing Legion.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Right, because Karma and Jemail can be compared to the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto he absorbed Illyana too and she went on a killing spree in his mind, Karma never became one of his personas and Jemail dominated him. His power works the same way except he does not have to deal with a new persona each time he absorbs somebody, he will only leech off the power and add it to his own. Franklin and Nate are above him as well, and they were added, inside that armor is his own pocket universe, his essence is expanded by the presence of mutants. If they come into direct contact with him he will absorb them and thus win, he already has the power of 2 omega level mutants, he can deal with another one. The two of them only serve to feed Onslaught, he could only be destroyed by a bunch of non-mutants going into his form and having that weakened form attacked. @Erik said:
@OmegaDynasty:
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
Legion is a much more powerful telepath than Xavier, but he is nowhere near as skilled, with limitless psionic energy from Nate and Franklin there would not be any power Onslaught can't will into existence, the way he created versions of other super powered beings to fight the Fantastic Four, he created versions of and sent damn near every villain they ever faced to fight them complete with all of their powers, tech and personalities.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Right, because Karma and Jemail can be compared to the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto, his power works the same way except he does not have to deal with a new persona each time he absorbs somebody, he will only leech off the power and add it to his own. Franklin and Nate are above him as well, and they were added, inside that armor is his own pocket universe, his essence is expanded by the presence of mutants. If they come into direct contact with him he will absorb them and thus win, he already has the power of 2 omega level mutants, he can deal with another one. The two of them only serve to feed Onslaught, he could only be destroyed by a bunch of non-mutants going into his form and having that weakened form attacked.@Erik said:
@OmegaDynasty:
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
Legion is a much more powerful telepath than Xavier, but he is nowhere near as skilled, with limitless psionic energy from Nate and Franklin there would not be any power Onslaught can't will into existence, the way he created versions of other super powered beings to fight the Fantastic Four, he created versions of and sent damn near every villain they ever faced to fight them complete with all of their powers, tech and personalities.
Yes, because the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto are a problem for Legion. *rolls eyes* Legion has individual personas that are more powerful than Onslaught, forgot about the thousands that haven't even been seen yet.
You've forgotten that Legion can create his own powers at will. He no longer has to "deal" with a new persona, and he hasn't absorbed somebody in a long time, excluding Marci who died in his proximity. He creates his own personas with their own powers, he's been doing it since he was banished to the no-time. Neither Franklin nor X-Man have feats that place them as more powerful than Legion. Neither does Onslaught, for that matter. And it's not like Legion can't create a bunch of non-mutants and fling them into Onslaught's energy form. If Hulk could crack Onslaught's armor, Legion would just warp it off.
Nowhere near as skilled? Legion has defeated Xavier effortlessly multiple times. He kicked Xavier out of his mind in his sleep. Literally. He laughed and sent Xavier's astral form flying back into his body. He drowned out Xavier on the astral plane itself. He gave hundreds of people entire lives' worth of memories, skills and experiences. What "skill" are you talking about, exactly?
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
His feats place him far above Onslaught, but that doesn't mean he's more powerful. Legion, or it would be more appropriate to call him David since Legion is multiple personas controlling David's power and body, is the weakest link of the personas. It's hard to get through his head because of these personas. However, since Onslaught has the power to simultaneous read and have conversations with every living human/mutants in the world. He can easily find David in the collective of personas of his mind and absorb him and his body into Onslaught.
@CitizenBane said:
@OmegaDynasty: Franklin doesn't have many offensive feats. And Legion's personality almost destroyed 616 by chucking it into a fire.
I believe that universe 016/11326 but it's funny how you guys take metaphors to literally.
@CitizenBane: The best onslaught feat as far as i remember was where be bought a second sun on earth, that was using Franklin's power, not to mention the sun soon disappeared after franklin and X-men were seperated from Onslaught (i just finished reading onslaught saga last month :p )
Well how about we let onslaught absorb Wanda :p then i suppose he could kick Legion's arse!!
@MagneticTempest: No. "The Legion" is one of David's personas. Legion is David himself. Even when he only had 3 personalities, he was leagues above Xavier at TP. He's not going to do squat to Legion's mind, and Legion can absorb him into his personality matrix and turn him into another one of his personas.
That is 616. I don't know where on Earth you got the idea it was universe-16 or whatever. Read AOX Aftermath.
And here I'm only talking about reality warping and telepathy. There are dozens of other powers I can mention that would trump Onslaught.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Right, because Karma and Jemail can be compared to the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto, his power works the same way except he does not have to deal with a new persona each time he absorbs somebody, he will only leech off the power and add it to his own. Franklin and Nate are above him as well, and they were added, inside that armor is his own pocket universe, his essence is expanded by the presence of mutants. If they come into direct contact with him he will absorb them and thus win, he already has the power of 2 omega level mutants, he can deal with another one. The two of them only serve to feed Onslaught, he could only be destroyed by a bunch of non-mutants going into his form and having that weakened form attacked. @Erik said:
@OmegaDynasty:
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
Legion is a much more powerful telepath than Xavier, but he is nowhere near as skilled, with limitless psionic energy from Nate and Franklin there would not be any power Onslaught can't will into existence, the way he created versions of other super powered beings to fight the Fantastic Four, he created versions of and sent damn near every villain they ever faced to fight them complete with all of their powers, tech and personalities.
Yes, because the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto are a problem for Legion. *rolls eyes* Legion has individual personas that are more powerful than Onslaught, forgot about the thousands that haven't even been seen yet. You've forgotten that Legion can create his own powers at will. He no longer has to "deal" with a new persona, and he hasn't absorbed somebody in a long time, excluding Marci who died in his proximity. He creates his own personas with their own powers, he's been doing it since he was banished to the no-time. Neither Franklin nor X-Man have feats that place them as more powerful than Legion. Neither does Onslaught, for that matter. And it's not like Legion can't create a bunch of non-mutants and fling them into Onslaught's energy form. If Hulk could crack Onslaught's armor, Legion would just warp it off. Nowhere near as skilled? Legion has defeated Xavier effortlessly multiple times. He kicked Xavier out of his mind in his sleep. Literally. He laughed and sent Xavier's astral form flying back into his body. He drowned out Xavier on the astral plane itself. He gave hundreds of people entire lives' worth of memories, skills and experiences. What "skill" are you talking about, exactly? Present feats that place Onslaught above Legion.
Jemail completely dominated Legion...problem. Karma never become a personality...problem. Illyana was killing personas...problem. Onslaught has re-created villains that had their power, tech and personalities, sounds like he can duplicate any power he wants to me. He has none of his fathers skills in telepathy, overpowering somebody is quite different than having the skill to use power effectively. Franklin created a universe and gave billions a lifetime of memories, skills and experience and even made his own Galactus. Franklins feat is above Legions, Legion warped a pre-existing reality, Franklin made one from scratch. Legion does not know the way to defeat Onslaught, he is not going to create a bunch of people and fling them and if he did, Onslaught is aware of that weakness now can use reality warping to uncreate them. What exactly do you think skill means? you are using examples of power level to justify skill level.
@CitizenBane: The best onslaught feat as far as i remember was where be bought a second sun on earth, that was using Franklin's power, not to mention the sun soon disappeared after franklin and X-men were seperated from Onslaught (i just finished reading onslaught saga last month :p )
Well how about we let onslaught absorb Wanda :p then i suppose he could kick Legion's arse!!
Absorbing Current Wanda would be useless, after her Children's Crusade depowering.
@CitizenBane: The best onslaught feat as far as i remember was where be bought a second sun on earth, that was using Franklin's power, not to mention the sun soon disappeared after franklin and X-men were seperated from Onslaught (i just finished reading onslaught saga last month :p )
Well how about we let onslaught absorb Wanda :p then i suppose he could kick Legion's arse!!
Legion's potential isn't as powerful as the potential of Franklin needn't say, Onslaught. Legion couldn't even protect himself from Shadow King. Franklin swatted Mephisto away just by being scared. Oh and before someone mentions the quote end quote Elder Gods, Mephisto is much more powerful or rather infinitely times more powerful than the Limbo Gods from Universe 11326.
@CitizenBane: The best onslaught feat as far as i remember was where be bought a second sun on earth, that was using Franklin's power, not to mention the sun soon disappeared after franklin and X-men were seperated from Onslaught (i just finished reading onslaught saga last month :p )
Well how about we let onslaught absorb Wanda :p then i suppose he could kick Legion's arse!!
Absorbing Current Wanda would be useless, after her Children's Crusade depowering.
Wanda is depowered :( No0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0...................... when did this happen :'(
@MagneticTempest said:
@Killemall said:
@CitizenBane: The best onslaught feat as far as i remember was where be bought a second sun on earth, that was using Franklin's power, not to mention the sun soon disappeared after franklin and X-men were seperated from Onslaught (i just finished reading onslaught saga last month :p )
Well how about we let onslaught absorb Wanda :p then i suppose he could kick Legion's arse!!
Legion's potential isn't as powerful as the potential of Franklin needn't say, Onslaught. Legion couldn't even protect himself from Shadow King. Franklin swatted Mephisto away just by being scared. Oh and before someone mentions the quote end quote Elder Gods, Mephisto is much more powerful or rather infinitely times more powerful than the Limbo Gods from Universe 11326.
Legion has better feats and better skills, but then i suppose its onslaught using franklin's powers so would make a different. I personally was never really impressed with the onslaught arc, so i dont know.. i dont even wanna support onslaught.
@MagneticTempest: No. "The Legion" is one of David's personas. Legion is David himself. Even when he only had 3 personalities, he was leagues above Xavier at TP. He's not going to do squat to Legion's mind, and Legion can absorb him into his personality matrix and turn him into another one of his personas. That is 616. I don't know where on Earth you got the idea it was universe-16 or whatever. Read AOX Aftermath. And here I'm only talking about reality warping and telepathy. There are dozens of other powers I can mention that would trump Onslaught.
Xavier seems limited and weaker because he's forcing himself to be that weak. It is he that is limiting himself, and that's why Onslaught got the best of him. Onslaught is Xavier's Darkside. The side that wanted to be released, and the power Shadow King wanted to possess but could not.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Right, because Karma and Jemail can be compared to the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto, his power works the same way except he does not have to deal with a new persona each time he absorbs somebody, he will only leech off the power and add it to his own. Franklin and Nate are above him as well, and they were added, inside that armor is his own pocket universe, his essence is expanded by the presence of mutants. If they come into direct contact with him he will absorb them and thus win, he already has the power of 2 omega level mutants, he can deal with another one. The two of them only serve to feed Onslaught, he could only be destroyed by a bunch of non-mutants going into his form and having that weakened form attacked. @Erik said:
@OmegaDynasty:
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
Legion is a much more powerful telepath than Xavier, but he is nowhere near as skilled, with limitless psionic energy from Nate and Franklin there would not be any power Onslaught can't will into existence, the way he created versions of other super powered beings to fight the Fantastic Four, he created versions of and sent damn near every villain they ever faced to fight them complete with all of their powers, tech and personalities.
Yes, because the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto are a problem for Legion. *rolls eyes* Legion has individual personas that are more powerful than Onslaught, forgot about the thousands that haven't even been seen yet. You've forgotten that Legion can create his own powers at will. He no longer has to "deal" with a new persona, and he hasn't absorbed somebody in a long time, excluding Marci who died in his proximity. He creates his own personas with their own powers, he's been doing it since he was banished to the no-time. Neither Franklin nor X-Man have feats that place them as more powerful than Legion. Neither does Onslaught, for that matter. And it's not like Legion can't create a bunch of non-mutants and fling them into Onslaught's energy form. If Hulk could crack Onslaught's armor, Legion would just warp it off. Nowhere near as skilled? Legion has defeated Xavier effortlessly multiple times. He kicked Xavier out of his mind in his sleep. Literally. He laughed and sent Xavier's astral form flying back into his body. He drowned out Xavier on the astral plane itself. He gave hundreds of people entire lives' worth of memories, skills and experiences. What "skill" are you talking about, exactly? Present feats that place Onslaught above Legion.
Jemail completely dominated Legion...problem. Karma never become a personality...problem. Illyana was killing personas...problem. Onslaught has re-created villains that had their power, tech and personalities, sounds like he can duplicate any power he wants to me. He has none of his fathers skills in telepathy, overpowering somebody is quite different than having the skill to use power effectively. Franklin created a universe and gave billions a lifetime of memories, skills and experience and even made his own Galactus. Franklins feat is above Legions, Legion warped a pre-existing reality, Franklin made one from scratch. Legion does not know the way to defeat Onslaught, he is not going to create a bunch of people and fling them and if he did, Onslaught is aware of that weakness now can use reality warping to uncreate them. What exactly do you think skill means? you are using examples of power level to justify skill level.
Jemail was Legion's first persona, before he even knew he was a mutant. And it's not like he even figures in Legion's psyche anymore. Next.
Karma was trapped inside Legion's mind and would have been killed by his personalities. Jemail originally wasn't a personality, either, but he became one. Next.
Are you trying to argue that Illyana is stronger than Legion? That's weird, considering she was the one who needed Legion's help in the first place. She killed 4 personalities, 3 of whom were useless and the 4th was a telekinetic. Whooo. If she had continued killing personalities, Legion's mind would have killed her. When Dr. Nemesis started destroying his personalities, his mind created a psychin antibody called Moira, and we all know what happened after that. Next.
Show me one thing Xavier has done that Legion cannot do.
Legion created a universe as well. Not just a warp, Moira flat out states that it's a new universe and that she kept the old one for sentimental purposes, since David used to like it. Next.
As much as you hate this, Legion has an omniscient personality. She knows how to defeat Onslaught. Next.
You are using semantics to justify the lack of an argument.
While I would agree that Legion is inexperienced, we are talking about Onslaught here. The biggest villain letdown since Apocalypse. As you yourself stated, Onslaught was so powerful and dangerous that all he managed to do with the power to bend reality in addition to having the psychic power of the two most powerful telepaths at the time was create some facsimile to fight the heroes.
I, now officially hate Young Avengers, but did they mention how she got depowerd. the first thing i do once i reach home is look for this mini series. BTw was this series interesting?
I, now officially hate Young Avengers, but did they mention how she got depowerd. the first thing i do once i reach home is look for this mini series. BTw was this series interesting?
It's actually been very good so far. She gets depowered due to events in the series.
Onslaught can take them, he gets his power from mutants and gets stronger if they come into contact with him, it's the reason the xmen could not beat him, he can absorb both of them and add them to the collective.
Legion's feats place him far far above Onslaught. Plus if Onslaught can add them to the collective, Legion can subsume him into his psyche and make him another one of his personas, like he did to Karma and Jemail Karami.
Right, because Karma and Jemail can be compared to the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto, his power works the same way except he does not have to deal with a new persona each time he absorbs somebody, he will only leech off the power and add it to his own. Franklin and Nate are above him as well, and they were added, inside that armor is his own pocket universe, his essence is expanded by the presence of mutants. If they come into direct contact with him he will absorb them and thus win, he already has the power of 2 omega level mutants, he can deal with another one. The two of them only serve to feed Onslaught, he could only be destroyed by a bunch of non-mutants going into his form and having that weakened form attacked. @Erik said:
@OmegaDynasty:
I do not see how. Onslaught is simply put, Xavier's power set at the very root of it. Legion is a much MUCH more powerful telepath than Xavier will ever be. It is true that Onslaught added the power of others to his own but Legion can create his own powers at will. There is nothing that Onslaught has that Legion could not have an answer for.
Legion is a much more powerful telepath than Xavier, but he is nowhere near as skilled, with limitless psionic energy from Nate and Franklin there would not be any power Onslaught can't will into existence, the way he created versions of other super powered beings to fight the Fantastic Four, he created versions of and sent damn near every villain they ever faced to fight them complete with all of their powers, tech and personalities.
Yes, because the combined psyches of Xavier and Magneto are a problem for Legion. *rolls eyes* Legion has individual personas that are more powerful than Onslaught, forgot about the thousands that haven't even been seen yet. You've forgotten that Legion can create his own powers at will. He no longer has to "deal" with a new persona, and he hasn't absorbed somebody in a long time, excluding Marci who died in his proximity. He creates his own personas with their own powers, he's been doing it since he was banished to the no-time. Neither Franklin nor X-Man have feats that place them as more powerful than Legion. Neither does Onslaught, for that matter. And it's not like Legion can't create a bunch of non-mutants and fling them into Onslaught's energy form. If Hulk could crack Onslaught's armor, Legion would just warp it off. Nowhere near as skilled? Legion has defeated Xavier effortlessly multiple times. He kicked Xavier out of his mind in his sleep. Literally. He laughed and sent Xavier's astral form flying back into his body. He drowned out Xavier on the astral plane itself. He gave hundreds of people entire lives' worth of memories, skills and experiences. What "skill" are you talking about, exactly? Present feats that place Onslaught above Legion.
Jemail completely dominated Legion...problem. Karma never become a personality...problem. Illyana was killing personas...problem. Onslaught has re-created villains that had their power, tech and personalities, sounds like he can duplicate any power he wants to me. He has none of his fathers skills in telepathy, overpowering somebody is quite different than having the skill to use power effectively. Franklin created a universe and gave billions a lifetime of memories, skills and experience and even made his own Galactus. Franklins feat is above Legions, Legion warped a pre-existing reality, Franklin made one from scratch. Legion does not know the way to defeat Onslaught, he is not going to create a bunch of people and fling them and if he did, Onslaught is aware of that weakness now can use reality warping to uncreate them. What exactly do you think skill means? you are using examples of power level to justify skill level.
Jemail was Legion's first persona, before he even knew he was a mutant. And it's not like he even figures in Legion's psyche anymore. Next. Karma was trapped inside Legion's mind and would have been killed by his personalities. Jemail originally wasn't a personality, either, but he became one. Next. Are you trying to argue that Illyana is stronger than Legion? That's weird, considering she was the one who needed Legion's help in the first place. She killed 4 personalities, 3 of whom were useless and the 4th was a telekinetic. Whooo. If she had continued killing personalities, Legion's mind would have killed her. When Dr. Nemesis started destroying his personalities, his mind created a psychin antibody called Moira, and we all know what happened after that. Next. Show me one thing Xavier has done that Legion cannot do. Legion created a universe as well. Not just a warp, Moira flat out states that it's a new universe and that she kept the old one for sentimental purposes, since David used to like it. Next. As much as you hate this, Legion has an omniscient personality. She knows how to defeat Onslaught. Next. You are using semantics to justify the lack of an argument. Again, can I haz Onslaught feats? Thanks!
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed. I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined. Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill. As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes. You are are using word play to ignore the facts. He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well. Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
While I would agree that Legion is inexperienced, we are talking about Onslaught here. The biggest villain letdown since Apocalypse. As you yourself stated, Onslaught was so powerful and dangerous that all he managed to do with the power to bend reality in addition to having the psychic power of the two most powerful telepaths at the time was create some facsimile to fight the heroes.
I agree he was a letdown, but there is not really anything that Legion can do that he can't copy, because of Franklin. Franklin when it come to reality warping feats has Legion beat, Legion for all his power created nothing, he restructured something that was already there, Franklin created reality out of nothing, and as I have stated before Legion only warped 616 Earth into a pocket of reality, too many un-warped factors in the entire 616 universe suggest that the rest of the universe was left untouched, his feat was no different than the cut and paste job Wanda did with HOM.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
You have not refuted anything. Legion may not be able to absorb Onslaught, and that's a big may not. But he's already warped Franklin Richards. You have yet to give me any Onslaught feats that surpass Legion's. Seriously, give me one. single. feat.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
You have not refuted anything. Legion may not be able to absorb Onslaught, and that's a big may not. But he's already warped Franklin Richards. You have yet to give me any Onslaught feats that surpass Legion's. Seriously, give me one. single. feat.
yes I have, your absorbing him thing is full of holes, what would it accomplish not to mention Onslaught does the same thing and mutants touching him makes him stronger. You saying he can create any power he wants, countered by Onslaught actually creating any being he wants with any power or tech he wants, you say he can increase mutants power, so can Onslaught without warping reality (side note powerful telepaths can increase mutant powers to incredible levels even physical ones, as both Jean and Emma have proved in the past, not a big deal in the scheme of things). I have given you feats that counter everything you gave about Legion on top of Onslaught having a more powerful persona and not being prone to insanity whenever he absorbs a person. You don't want feats, you want compliance, because you have been given feats and ignore them. Fact, there is nothing Franklin can do that Onslaught can't because Onslaught actually knows how to use the reality warping at will, and Franklin is a better reality warper than Legion, Legion restructured reality, Franklin created reality.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
"Legion can absorb anyone with a touch."
Xavier can absorb mutants anywhere in the globe while he's sitting in his office.
you use instances of him absorbing Jermail and Karma to imply he can do the same to Onslaught. He was not in control of either of them when they were absorbed.
Obviously. He didn't even know he was a mutant when he absorbed Jemail. And when he absorbed Karma he wasn't even in control of his body, his personalities were.
I'm not trying to argue anything about Illyana, I'm stating what she did, while in his mind she was not under his control or in any danger from his personas, she was in fact killing them off. You seem to think the number or the nature of their powers negate the fact that she was killing them and that Onslaught is a greater power than all three of your examples combined.
Obviously. She killed 4 idiots. You think she would have lasted a second against Styx or Time Sink or Moira or The Bleeding Image or Johnny Gomorrah? Onslaught is more powerful than Jemail, Karma and Ilyana? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Who is trying to show you what Xavier can do that Legion can't...all telepaths are capable of the same feats, but there are telepaths that are more skilled than others, and Xavier is at the top of the food chain when it comes to telepathic skill.
So in other words, you can't frame any kind of argument to show that Xavier is supposedly more skilled than Legion? I already knew that.
As much as you love to bring up that personality it does not seem to be all that effective considering the amount of mistakes he makes.
Oh, for the love of--- He only manifested it about 5 months ago. What mistakes has he made since then? Taking down six deadly entities? Saving the lives of Rogue, Xavier and Magneto? And it's not like he uses the personality 24/7.
He absorbed Jermail and Karma, this did not give him control over them, in fact it had the opposite effect with Jermail being in control, he absorbed Illyana, and while in his mind she killed some of his personas. How is absorbing Onslaughts psyche going give Legion the win? It would actually be a stupid move since a normal man without any powers was able to control him outright and Karma was able to slay a persona as well.
Been covered above.
Onslaughts feats of absorbing powerful mutants, and having a more powerful personality than others he has absorbed are enough, since absorbing them didn't harm them or place them under his power in anyway. Onslaught having the power to warp reality and create exact copies of other super powered beings is also a feat that helps counter "he can create any power he wants". Your Welcome!
Legion can absorb anyone with a touch. His personality Styx absorbed Xavier and Rogue. They were still conscious, but trapped inside Styx just like Onslaught trapped Nate and Franklin. With all his great reality warping, all he's ever done is create carbon copies? Whoooo. Legion has taken existing superhumans and made them more powerful than they were before.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
"Legion can absorb anyone with a touch." Xavier can absorb mutants anywhere in the globe while he's sitting in his office.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
"Legion can absorb anyone with a touch." Xavier can absorb mutants anywhere in the globe while he's sitting in his office.
Now if only Xavier's TP could hold a candle to Legion's........... Several of Legion's personas have stomped Xavier, and one of them killed him. He's a non-factor.
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yes I have, your absorbing him thing is full of holes, what would it accomplish not to mention Onslaught does the same thing and mutants touching him makes him stronger. You saying he can create any power he wants, countered by Onslaught actually creating any being he wants with any power or tech he wants, you say he can increase mutants power, so can Onslaught without warping reality (side note powerful telepaths can increase mutant powers to incredible levels even physical ones, as both Jean and Emma have proved in the past, not a big deal in the scheme of things). I have given you feats that counter everything you gave about Legion on top of Onslaught having a more powerful persona and not being prone to insanity whenever he absorbs a person. You don't want feats, you want compliance, because you have been given feats and ignore them. Fact, there is nothing Franklin can do that Onslaught can't because Onslaught actually knows how to use the reality warping at will, and Franklin is a better reality warper than Legion, Legion restructured reality, Franklin created reality.
Show me Onslaught freezing time, reversing it, accelerating it or creating thousands of versions of himself. Show me Onslaught warping a universe. Show me Onslaught warping reality on a scale equal to The Legion, forget about Moira. I've already pointed out that even Franklin was pulled into Legion's warp. I've already pointed out that he's no longer prone to insanity when he absorbs someone, and that he no longer needs to absorb someone. You're just saying Onslaught is as powerful as Franklin when he has no feats on Franklin's level. Nil. Nada. Zilch. You don't want facts because facts fly in the face of your argument. You trumpet the same feats over and over again, even after I pointed out that they've been bettered or that they're irrelevant. I asked for Onslaught feats, you gave me Franklin feats. You want to give me some Onslaught feats that hold a candle to Legion's? Anytime now.
First of all. I want to make this clear. Legion is not as skilled as Xavier. Not be a long shoot. Legion was simply not match for Shadow King. Xavier was the one who "saved" (in quotations because Legion became comatose) Legion from Shadow King. And it doesn't take POWER to defeat Shadow King. It takes skill and wits.
Legion died 3 times. Twice in mainstream 616 and once during Forever.
The 1st time he died. He was an idiot and killed Xavier before he was born, thus killing himself and making it where he has never existed. The 2nd time he died. He shot at Xavier but BIshop took the shot and absorbed it and fired it back at Legion, thus killing him. (Bishop can amplify powers shot at him by many times the original power level) The 3rd time he died his body was complete destroyed.
Also, I would to make it clear that Xavier/Onslaught could have absorbed any mutant he wanted to, but he wanted specifically "BATTERIES" and only selected those that had powerful PSIONIC powers. Wanda DOES NOT have powerful psionic powers. If he absorbed her, it would do nothing to amplify him. This is why he absorbed Magneto, Nate & Franklin. They were the Batteries (Similar to why Cell wanted to find andriods 17 & 18 and didn't care about absorbing android 16)
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
"Legion can absorb anyone with a touch." Xavier can absorb mutants anywhere in the globe while he's sitting in his office.
Now if only Xavier's TP could hold a candle to Legion's........... Several of Legion's personas have stomped Xavier, and one of them killed him. He's a non-factor.
That's because Xavier is like this:
"Please! Let David go! I beg you!... I can not use my full power because I might kill him.... You have to let David go before it's too L----ARRRgggghhh!!!!"
First of all. I want to make this clear. Legion is not as skilled as Xavier. Not be a long shoot. Legion was simply not match for Shadow King. Xavier was the one who "saved" (in quotations because Legion became comatose) Legion from Shadow King. And it doesn't take POWER to defeat Shadow King. It takes skill and wits. Legion died 3 times. Twice in mainstream 616 and once during Forever. The 1st time he died. He was an idiot and killed Xavier before he was born, thus killing himself and making it where he has never existed. The 2nd time he died. He shot at Xavier but BIshop took the shot and absorbed it and fired it back at Legion, thus killing him. (Bishop can amplify powers shot at him by many times the original power level) The 3rd time he died his body was complete destroyed. Also, I would to make it clear that Xavier/Onslaught could have absorbed any mutant he wanted to, but he wanted specifically "BATTERIES" and only selected those that had powerful PSIONIC powers. Wanda DOES NOT have powerful psionic powers. If he absorbed her, it would do nothing to amplify him. This is why he absorbed Magneto, Nate & Franklin. They were the Batteries (Similar to why Cell wanted to find andriods 17 & 18 and didn't care about absorbing android 16)
Here's something I'd like to make clear.
That is decades old. It's like saying Jean Grey is a weakling because she couldn't save her friend from getting creamed by a car. I've already pointed out that several of Legion's personas have stomped Xavier. Even on the astral plane. And twice when Legion was comatose. For all the "skill" it takes to defeat Shadow King, Xavier didn't show much skill when Legion's mind tossed him around like a helpless doll.
The 1st time he died, it was The Legion who killed Xavier. The Legion is completely insane. Next. The 2nd time he died was again years ago, when had a handful of powers. He now has thousands of them.
Isn't Forever non-canon?
Xavier can absorb any mutant he wants? Good for him. It didn't help him when Styx absorbed his consciousness and left him an empty shell.
none of this is relevant, and they were your examples to begin with to argue that he can absorb Onslaught, when confronted with that not actually being a good idea or even something that would have any negative affect on the opponent you start this ^^. I have refuted all of your points. Onslaught too has taken existing mutants and made them more powerful than they ever were before, he also ripped the Gem from Cain and trapped him inside, before he even had Franklin and Nates power.
"Legion can absorb anyone with a touch." Xavier can absorb mutants anywhere in the globe while he's sitting in his office.
Now if only Xavier's TP could hold a candle to Legion's........... Several of Legion's personas have stomped Xavier, and one of them killed him. He's a non-factor.
That's because Xavier is like this: "Please! Let David go! I beg you!... I can not use my full power because I might kill him.... You have to let David go before it's too L----ARRRgggghhh!!!!" CIS kills....
It's never been anything like that. It's not CIS if it's consistent, which it is. He used all his power against Moira, but she still mindraped him. Legion's TP is leagues beyond Xavier's. Deal with it.
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