#1 Edited by jacobyLIVE (1983 posts) - - Show Bio

Both are un-armed. No prep. In a dojo.  
 
I'm going with Shiva. But you say...? 
 
If it's too easy (and it likely is) then throw in The Comedian and Rorschach

#2 Posted by geraldthesloth (32689 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva..easy

#3 Posted by -Unseen- (1128 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
"Shiva..easy "
#4 Posted by Ferro Vida (34319 posts) - - Show Bio
@geraldthesloth said:
" Shiva..easy "
Extremely
#5 Posted by Vance Astro (89534 posts) - - Show Bio

People have to understand that the characters from Watchmen look good in the movie and in the books because it's belongs to them.If you put them in the actual DC Universe they aren't really good at anything compared to most of their major characters.You almost have to be Alfred to take an L to Ozymandias.He's pretty physically ridiculous but only skilled in comparison to a bunch of unskilled fighters.

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#6 Posted by Static Shock (48413 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva

#7 Posted by JediXMan (32276 posts) - - Show Bio

Lady Shiva wins this.
 
@Vance Astro said:

" People have to understand that the characters from Watchmen look good in the movie and in the books because it's belongs to them.If you put them in the actual DC Universe they aren't really good at anything compared to most of their major characters.You almost have to be Alfred to take an L to Ozymandias.He's pretty physically ridiculous but only skilled in comparison to a bunch of unskilled fighters. "

It's true. Ozymandias is basically the only really skilled fighter. The rest, except for Comedians, are just street fighters.
 
It's like with Manhattan: it's easy to be all powerful when you're the only one with powers.
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#8 Posted by SaintWildcard (14478 posts) - - Show Bio

My money is on Ozy. The guy can dodge/catch bullets. In the Before The Watchman series he traveled the world and improved his skills. he's pretty much batman (only smarter). Peak physical condition, sees stuff in slow motion and can think of ways to defeat you while your still trying to land a punch.

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#9 Posted by nick_hero22 (8204 posts) - - Show Bio

@-Unseen- said:

@geraldthesloth said:
"Shiva..easy "
#10 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hero92 said:

My money is on Ozy. The guy can dodge/catch bullets. In the Before The Watchman series he traveled the world and improved his skills. he's pretty much batman (only smarter). Peak physical condition, sees stuff in slow motion and can think of ways to defeat you while your still trying to land a punch.

When Ozy can beat Darksied, you call back.

#11 Posted by Hazmat_Hermit (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva wins. My opinion of Ozmymandius was forcefully grounded when it was stated that The Comedian was his equal in terms of H2H. For someone will all that training to essentially lose, put them in a universe in a world where superhuman is the norm and suddenly they don't seems as strong.

#12 Edited by SaintWildcard (14478 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

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#13 Edited by HexThis (1086 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimately Shiva but I think it would be quite a fight because they both aren't heavily restrained by morals or reservations. They're also both disciplined fighters so it wouldn't be as easy for Shiva to outsmart him as other opponents.

Just so long as there aren't any chocolates on her pillow at the hotel she's staying at while she plans to kill him, I think she should come out exceptionally well.

#14 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

#15 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20965 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

Ozymandias, after presumably years of research and funding of billions of dollars, was able to deceive/trick a powerful being such as Dr.Manhattan, who, even without many feats, could be at least on par with Darkseid.

So I don't think Ozymandias is too out of his league in intellect.

#16 Posted by Gingerbreadkiller (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Skaddix said:

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

Ozymandias, after presumably years of research and funding of billions of dollars, was able to deceive/trick a powerful being such as Dr.Manhattan, who, even without many feats, could be at least on par with Darkseid.

So I don't think Ozymandias is too out of his league in intellect.

Please tell me your joking. Blue Pipe has absolutely no feats and Ozy couldn't even beat him with the tech he spent billions of dollars and many years on. He had to to resort to tricking him.

Ozy is easily one of the most overrated comic characters. He hasn't done shit to put him on Bruces level physically or intellectually

#17 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Skaddix said:

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

Ozymandias, after presumably years of research and funding of billions of dollars, was able to deceive/trick a powerful being such as Dr.Manhattan, who, even without many feats, could be at least on par with Darkseid.

So I don't think Ozymandias is too out of his league in intellect.

Dr. Manhattan was a janitor before he got his powers hardly a genius before getting powered up. not to mention Darksied's has what a massive advantage in experience being much older. Not to mention Bruce has to spend his time prepping for a threat list hundreds long at minimum. Ozy only has to prep for a singular threat and even doing that he still failed with his prep.

#18 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20965 posts) - - Show Bio

@Skaddix said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Skaddix said:

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

Ozymandias, after presumably years of research and funding of billions of dollars, was able to deceive/trick a powerful being such as Dr.Manhattan, who, even without many feats, could be at least on par with Darkseid.

So I don't think Ozymandias is too out of his league in intellect.

Dr. Manhattan was a janitor before he got his powers hardly a genius before getting powered up. not to mention Darksied's has what a massive advantage in experience being much older. Not to mention Bruce has to spend his time prepping for a threat list hundreds long at minimum. Ozy only has to prep for a singular threat and even doing that he still failed with his prep.

What you said is true, and I only said Ozy tricked Dr.Manhattan for a short period of time. and that alone is highly impressive in my opinion, for Manhattan supposedly could see everything in the past, present, and future.

IIRC, he used Tachyons to disable Dr.Manhattan's powers for a while.

@Gingerbreadkiller said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Skaddix said:

@Hero92 said:

@Skaddix:... Shiva can beat Darkseid?

That was a response to Ozy being smarter then Batman.

Ozymandias, after presumably years of research and funding of billions of dollars, was able to deceive/trick a powerful being such as Dr.Manhattan, who, even without many feats, could be at least on par with Darkseid.

So I don't think Ozymandias is too out of his league in intellect.

Please tell me your joking. Blue Pipe has absolutely no feats and Ozy couldn't even beat him with the tech he spent billions of dollars and many years on. He had to to resort to tricking him.

Ozy is easily one of the most overrated comic characters. He hasn't done shit to put him on Bruces level physically or intellectually

  1. No I am not.
  2. Dr.Manhattan has some feats, just not a lot. If he had no feats then we wouldn't even know his powers.
  3. Did I saw he could beat him? No. I said he distracted/tricked him.
  4. He is (almost) on par with Batman, and could give a good fight to Movie Batman too.
  5. Ozymandias is not overrated. In fact, he is underrated.
#19 Edited by Wolfrazer (9189 posts) - - Show Bio

A janitor? Wasn't Dr. M was a physicist?

#20 Posted by Skaddix (3111 posts) - - Show Bio

@Wolfrazer said:

A janitor? Wasn't Dr. M was a physicist?

Might as well be in the DCU. I mean really only a master in one area in the DCU makes you fit to clean someone elses lab.

#21 Posted by SaintWildcard (14478 posts) - - Show Bio

@HexThis: The only way Id give it to shiva is if she had guns and prep time. But Ozy can think of plans on the move and can include the laws of physics into attacks (like in the comic where he throws his crown in such a way it knocks down a crate by cutting the rope).Ozy is physically stronger and faster and smarter. He may not have DCU stats but in a real world fight, ozy takes it.

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: I think Darkseid and Dr. M being equels is kinda wierd. I think Dr. M is way more powerful than Darkseid and Smarter. There fore tricking him is as close as to tricking god as a mortal can get.

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#22 Posted by warlock360 (28180 posts) - - Show Bio

Lady Shiva

#23 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

Lady Shiva.

#24 Posted by Gingerbreadkiller (8 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek:

  1. No I am not.
  2. Dr.Manhattan has some feats, just not a lot. If he had no feats then we wouldn't even know his powers.
  3. Did I saw he could beat him? No. I said he distracted/tricked him.
  4. He is (almost) on par with Batman, and could give a good fight to Movie Batman too.
  5. Ozymandias is not overrated. In fact, he is underrated.

2. He has no credible feats.

3. Then that pretty much kills any credibility the feat may have had

4. Based on what? If you're arguing that Movie Ozy could beat Movie Bats, that's fine because Movie Batman isn't on the same planet as comic Batman, he's not even in the same ball park as Animated Batman or Arkham City Batman.

If you're comparing comic Ozy to Comic Bats again...Ozy doesn't have the feats to put himself on the same playing field as Bats. Not intellectually and not physically, Ozy hasn't done $hit

5. According to this post that you just made, he's being vastly overrated

#25 Edited by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20965 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gingerbreadkiller said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek:

  1. No I am not.
  2. Dr.Manhattan has some feats, just not a lot. If he had no feats then we wouldn't even know his powers.
  3. Did I saw he could beat him? No. I said he distracted/tricked him.
  4. He is (almost) on par with Batman, and could give a good fight to Movie Batman too.
  5. Ozymandias is not overrated. In fact, he is underrated.

2. He has no credible feats.

3. Then that pretty much kills any credibility the feat may have had

4. Based on what? If you're arguing that Movie Ozy could beat Movie Bats, that's fine because Movie Batman isn't on the same planet as comic Batman, he's not even in the same ball park as Animated Batman or Arkham City Batman.

If you're comparing comic Ozy to Comic Bats again...Ozy doesn't have the feats to put himself on the same playing field as Bats. Not intellectually and not physically, Ozy hasn't done $hit

5. According to this post that you just made, he's being vastly overrated

  1. He has some. We know he could easily kill any human, and has stated to be able to create life. (the latter is doubtful)
  2. Not really. If Manhattan was as strong as he stated, that is a huge feat.
  3. I never said Movie Batman was in the league of Comic Book Batman.
  4. I never said Ozymandias was equal to Comic Batman. Bruce would mop the floor with Ozymandias.
  5. I don't think he is overrated. Most people underplay him and think he's mediocre. IMO, he could beat any realistic street leveler easily. (The Question, Rorschach, Nite Owl II, Comedian, Silk Spectre, Kick-Ass, Hit-Girl, Big Daddy, etc.)
#26 Posted by XiiX (10746 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva.

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#27 Posted by hulkbuster94 (742 posts) - - Show Bio

ozy is overrated i mean batman could beat him punisher cap all these guys i don't l know much about lady shiva so i am gonna say shiva all ozy did was beat a bunch of low level fighters

#28 Posted by jamesisaacs (216 posts) - - Show Bio

you guys really think Lady Shiva can beat Ozy? Pass the pipe please let me toke whatever it is you lot are toking. Ozy is smarter than Batman, physically superior to Batman by a small margin, he is the Bruce Wayne of Watchmen yet you all seem to think Lady Shiva can beat him, why? If Ozy crossed over into her universe he would trollstomp her. His brain processes reactions in bullet time for crying out loud. He's kick captain america's ass too.

#29 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva wins, she's in the top 3 best martial artists in DCU.

#30 Posted by Saren (26661 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva 11/10.

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#31 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (6295 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva

#32 Edited by dondave (39877 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva Stomps

#33 Posted by TDK_1997 (15882 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva.

#34 Posted by JakeN7 (14944 posts) - - Show Bio

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

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#35 Posted by SaintWildcard (14478 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

And I always will

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#37 Posted by JetiiMitra (9279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

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#38 Posted by JakeN7 (14944 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

Bump

The madness has spread!

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#40 Posted by JetiiMitra (9279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

Bump

The madness has spread!

Can't beat those physics and a bullet-catching feat.

#41 Posted by Night4345 (7225 posts) - - Show Bio

Shiva destroys.

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#43 Edited by JakeN7 (14944 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

Bump

The madness has spread!

Can't beat those physics and a bullet-catching feat.

"He caught a BULLET hurr durr"

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#44 Posted by WillPayton (11320 posts) - - Show Bio
@skaddix said:

Dr. Manhattan was a janitor before he got his powers hardly a genius before getting powered up.

Wow, this is just... sad. It's hard to take anything someone says seriously when they dont know even basic facts about the characters they're talking about.

IIRC, he used Tachyons to disable Dr.Manhattan's powers for a while.

Tachyons dont disable Manhattan's powers. The only thing that happened was that Ozy created a whole lot of them that went back in time and basically blinded Manhattan's view of the future... just like if someone shined a flashlight in your face.

Anyway, Shiva would likely win, but it'd be a decent fight. Yes, Ozy in Watchmen mostly fought thugs, but when he fought he won effortlessly. People like Night Owl and Rorschach could each handle multiple thugs with ease, and Ozy handled them with ease. Also, Ozy has the speed, skill, and intelligence to make it a good fight.

#45 Posted by JetiiMitra (9279 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

Bump

The madness has spread!

Can't beat those physics and a bullet-catching feat.

"He caught a BULLET hurr durr"

Hey! That's an actual thing he did. We don't need any of that mockery business, either have an argument or don't!

But by all means, feel free to keep posting Lena Headey gifs.

#46 Edited by JakeN7 (14944 posts) - - Show Bio

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@JetiiMitra said:

@jaken7 said:

@saint_wildcard: Hehehe. You've been trying to convince people Ozy > Shiva for nearly 2 years.

Well it's truth.

Bump

The madness has spread!

Can't beat those physics and a bullet-catching feat.

"He caught a BULLET hurr durr"

Hey! That's an actual thing he did. We don't need any of that mockery business, either have an argument or don't!

But by all means, feel free to keep posting Lena Headey gifs.

And it's also an actual argument on par with "Batman with prep" in its overused and overrated nature.

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#47 Posted by JetiiMitra (9279 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jaken7 said:

And it's also an actual argument on par with "Batman with prep" in its overused and overrated nature.

I'm convinced, but only because of Lena.

#48 Edited by JakeN7 (14944 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jaken7 said:

And it's also an actual argument on par with "Batman with prep" in its overused and overrated nature.

I'm convinced, but only because of Lena.

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