#1 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio
Lady Shiva

VS

Rules

hand to hand only (all combatants are unarmed)

win by any means necessary

pre 52 versions of all dc characters

morals are one

random encounter

Location

Both begin visible

begin 10 feat apart

fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

#2 Edited by Strider92 (16727 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to say team 2 but its close. Team 2 is probably stronger physically but team one is probably more skilled. I think Slade's Meta-human abilities and Taskmasters ability use multiple fighting styles at the same time gives them a small majority but its pretty damn close. Like 5.5-6/10 close.

#3 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

impossible to call for me.there all the same with different styles

#4 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio

@karetaker: What do you mean by there all the same?

#5 Posted by pooty (11361 posts) - - Show Bio

@Strider92 said:

I want to say team 2 but its close. Team 2 is probably stronger physically but team one is probably more skilled. I think Slade's Meta-human abilities and Taskmasters ability use multiple fighting styles at the same time gives them a small majority but its pretty damn close. Like 5.5-6/10 close.

Excellent comment! I utterly agree!

#6 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2. They are equal in skill and Deathstroke outstats the other fighters. But it's a good fight - with standard equipment it would be a much easier win for Team 2.

#7 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

Team one. Batgirl has owned Deathstroke until he escaped. Lady Shiva would make quick work of taskmaster.

#8 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually Cassandra Cain has stated that Deathstroke is stronger and faster than her, that she can't read his moves, and that he was toying with her went they fought. She isn't owning him. And Taskmaster is too much for Shiva. All Shiva has is her fighting skill - no enhanced stats, no armor, no special abilities. Taskmaster is more skilled than her since he has copied the skills of multiple high end fighters and will have no problems copying her style as well.

#9 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@Cochise said:

Actually Cassandra Cain has stated that Deathstroke is stronger and faster than her, that she can't read his moves, and that he was toying with her went they fought. She isn't owning him. And Taskmaster is too much for Shiva. All Shiva has is her fighting skill - no enhanced stats, no armor, no special abilities. Taskmaster is more skilled than her since he has copied the skills of multiple high end fighters and will have no problems copying her style as well.

Just because he has copied skills of a few high end fighters doesn't matter. Deadpool came up with a way to beat taskmaster pretty easily. I'm sure Shiva won't have a problem doing the same and also Shiva has taken out metahuman's before.

Deathstrokes also said the only way he can beat her is by getting insider her head.

She'll be going into this fight with advice on how to take a sure fire win. Considering this is End of pc cain.

#10 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_: Deadpool beating taskmaster had to do with him being unreadable. Not saying taskmaster beats shiva but deadpool really shouldn't be used.

#11 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@Kinasin_: Deadpool beating taskmaster had to do with him being unreadable. Not saying taskmaster beats shiva but deadpool really shouldn't be used.

Deadpool came up with some wierd martial art on the fly that taskmaster couldn't read if I remember correctly. Taskmaster doesn't know all of DC Earths martial arts.

#12 Posted by comicon1234 (62 posts) - - Show Bio

Team two. stomp.

#13 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_: Shiva does not know about taskmaster at all. She has no idea what he can do. She will probably engage him like anyone else.

#14 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

Deathstrokes also said the only way he can beat her is by getting insider her head.

He has also said the same thing about Rose, and yet he has beaten her with his bare hands.

While we're on the topic of things characters say, Cass herself has said Slade is stronger, faster, and smarter than her, and that she cannot read his body language properly.

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#15 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicon1234 said:

Team two. stomp.

Reason being?

#16 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

Deathstrokes also said the only way he can beat her is by getting insider her head.

He has also said the same thing about Rose, and yet he has beaten her with his bare hands.

While we're on the topic of things characters say, Cass herself has said Slade is stronger, faster, and smarter than her, and that she cannot read his body language properly.

Point is characters say a lot of stupid things. Cass would decimate Rose and when Slade and Cass fight she always impresses me more.

#17 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

Deathstrokes also said the only way he can beat her is by getting insider her head.

He has also said the same thing about Rose, and yet he has beaten her with his bare hands.

While we're on the topic of things characters say, Cass herself has said Slade is stronger, faster, and smarter than her, and that she cannot read his body language properly.

Point is characters say a lot of stupid things. Cass would decimate Rose and when Slade and Cass fight she always impresses me more.

Cass has fought Rose twice and did not decimate her in either instance, she was struggling with Rose in their second encounter until Inertia intervened. Cass can be as impressive as she wants, Slade is still going to beat her down.

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#18 Edited by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

Deathstrokes also said the only way he can beat her is by getting insider her head.

He has also said the same thing about Rose, and yet he has beaten her with his bare hands.

While we're on the topic of things characters say, Cass herself has said Slade is stronger, faster, and smarter than her, and that she cannot read his body language properly.

Point is characters say a lot of stupid things. Cass would decimate Rose and when Slade and Cass fight she always impresses me more.

Cass has fought Rose twice and did not decimate her in either instance, she was struggling with Rose in their second encounter until Inertia intervened. Cass can be as impressive as she wants, Slade is still going to beat her down.

He really beats her down.

He has to resort to cheap tricks to stop her from decimating him.

#19 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_: Ok? She punches him in the nose once and disarms him. That's a strange definition of decimating someone.

This was how Cass fared against Rose second time around:

Rose had her at a disadvantage before Inertia intervened, and it's not like Rose can really beat Slade either.

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#20 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Ok? She punches him in the nose once and disarms him. That's a strange definition of decimating someone.

This was how Cass fared against Rose second time around:

Rose had her at a disadvantage before Inertia intervened, and it's not like Rose can really beat Slade either.

"Shrugs" That fight was pretty pissy. Cassandra had the sword anyways and was about to leave rose just like this

Deathstroke doesn't have weapons in this fight. This is strictly h2h, and cass is the superior.

#21 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

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#22 Edited by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct was to use his weapons to save his butt from getting turned out by cass.

#23 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

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#24 Edited by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had a plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

#25 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

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#26 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

Yet Cassie made him look like fool in H2H, and this is a H2H fight with no weapons to see who is more superior in a H2H fight. I'm going with Cass from what was shown with her encounter with him. Simple as that.

#27 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

Yet Cassie made him look like fool in H2H, and this is a H2H fight with no weapons to see who is more superior in a H2H fight. I'm going with Cass from what was shown with her encounter with him. Simple as that.

And I can just as easily go with Slade based on one fight where Nightwing one-shotted her, and another fight where Slade two-shotted Dick. See? Single instances are not definitive of anything. Simple as that.

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#28 Edited by The_MVPs (84696 posts) - - Show Bio

Slade may very well be able to beat Cain, eventually, but not before Shiva downs Taskmaster. His ability to mimic moves is highly overrated and its actually a skill Cass is able to duplicate herself so all those throwing it out there as some sort of advantage I hate to break it to ya, its not. The major advantage here is Slade's combat intelligence and durability. Slade "says" alot of sh!t, doesn't make it true. Thats what he does, he talks, gets inside peoples head. He speaks in half truths which makes trying to validate anything he says as point fact moot.

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#29 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

Yet Cassie made him look like fool in H2H, and this is a H2H fight with no weapons to see who is more superior in a H2H fight. I'm going with Cass from what was shown with her encounter with him. Simple as that.

And I can just as easily go with Slade based on one fight where Nightwing one-shotted her, and another fight where Slade two-shotted Dick. See? Single instances are not definitive of anything. Simple as that.

Once again making him look like a tool.

#30 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

Yet Cassie made him look like fool in H2H, and this is a H2H fight with no weapons to see who is more superior in a H2H fight. I'm going with Cass from what was shown with her encounter with him. Simple as that.

And I can just as easily go with Slade based on one fight where Nightwing one-shotted her, and another fight where Slade two-shotted Dick. See? Single instances are not definitive of anything. Simple as that.

Once again making him look like a tool.

What was so hard to understand in that?

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#31 Posted by The_MVPs (84696 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.


Just throwing it out there but Cass was also under-experienced in their first encounter. Not as much as Rose but if we're tossing it around we cant ignore the fact that Cass (and Rose) go on to become much more accomplished fighters. Cass it happens to in the same series. Their fight in Titans East or whatever that was called one could argue she was still recovering from being drugged. In fact I'd even say this point is further validated by Nightwing one-shotting her. She's been shown to take hits from heavy hitters (like Slade with a dumb bell) and she barely falters, yet in this instant one punch from Dick takes her out? I'd rather blame it on the drug then call it PIS.
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#32 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler: I usually don't give the drugged theory much credence because Rose was drugged in the same manner when she fought Cass and it didn't seem to inhibit her in any way. I have no quarrel with the rest.

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#33 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Cassandra couldn't beat Batman when they fought yet Spade beat him convincingly. Ditto for Nightwing. Face it, Slade is too much for a street leveler if they are just using H2H.

#34 Posted by The_MVPs (84696 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane: Was she? I thought she was drugged with something that enhanced her precog, where Cass was drugged with an actually mind control/inhibitor. I'm not married to the drugged theory but if we look at Cass' overall showings that entire issue stands out as the odd duck. I also wanna say Taskmaster on paper is a beast and should be an elite level marvel fighter yet for some reason he's continually downplayed. He has a couple nice showings but compared to the rest of the participants he seems like the weak link.
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#35 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_ said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Kinasin_: Couple of points: Rose was sorely underexperienced in that fight, Cass even made a statement to that effect. And that was before her training under Nightwing.

Slade doesn't need to have weapons. He's stronger than her, he's faster than her, he's smarter than her, he can last longer than her.

He sure didn't look faster when she was making him look like a clown. His first instinct his to use weapons to save him his butt from getting turned out by cass.

Sure, just like Cass didn't look faster when she was struggling with Rose. Or that tough when Nightwing one-shotted her. Or when a ten year old speedster walked all over her. Single instances are not definitive of anything.

You gotta go by what you have. Deathstroke has had his plethora of instances of being made to look like a clown as well. Fact is Cass has shown to be the more competent of the two when it comes down to it in H2H.

And so does Cass, every character does. Cassie is more skilled, but Slade has feats that mark him as better at virtually everything else, in addition to having defeated skilled opponents as well.

Yet Cassie made him look like fool in H2H, and this is a H2H fight with no weapons to see who is more superior in a H2H fight. I'm going with Cass from what was shown with her encounter with him. Simple as that.

And I can just as easily go with Slade based on one fight where Nightwing one-shotted her, and another fight where Slade two-shotted Dick. See? Single instances are not definitive of anything. Simple as that.

Once again making him look like a tool.

What was so hard to understand in that?

Yeah, and during the whole encounter she is shown being more agile and better at H2H.

#36 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler: I think she had the mind control thing going on too, didn't she say the drugs were what drove her to claw out her eye?

Taskmaster's showings are up and down.

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#37 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

*sigh*

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#38 Posted by The_MVPs (84696 posts) - - Show Bio
@CitizenBane said:

@Gambler: I think she had the mind control thing going on too, didn't she say the drugs were what drove her to claw out her eye?

Taskmaster's showings are up and down.

I thought she plunged her eye out simply to impress her father but now that you mention it I think it was the result of the drugs. Also didnt she come off her drugged issue several months (comicbook release time) before the fight? Were as Cass was still under the influence.
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#39 Posted by Kinasin_ (1212 posts) - - Show Bio

@Gambler said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Gambler: I think she had the mind control thing going on too, didn't she say the drugs were what drove her to claw out her eye?

Taskmaster's showings are up and down.

I thought she plunged her eye out simply to impress her father but now that you mention it I think it was the result of the drugs. Also didnt she come off her drugged issue several months (comicbook release time) before the fight? Were as Cass was still under the influence.

I'm pretty sure, but with as much as I read it gets hazy keeping track of everything.

#40 Posted by Cochise (707 posts) - - Show Bio

Rose was drugged during that fight.

#41 Posted by Charlemagne (6969 posts) - - Show Bio
@Cochise said:
Rose was drugged during that fight.
Yes but it was a different drug wasnt it? Her drug enhanced her precog, where as Cass altered her mind. Or am I wrong? Either way I wouldnt count a fight in which both characters are drugged as anything substantial.
#42 Posted by jashro44 (22796 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump.

#43 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Thing is...the longer Taskmaster watches Shiva the tougher he will get...so, Team 2 in a very close fight

#44 Posted by Dex_Starr (4772 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane:Wasn't Batgirl brainwashed in Titan's East? That same story had Nightwing one shotting her.

#45 Posted by Saren (25891 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dex_Starr: She was brainwashed the same way Rose was, according to Tim.

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