#1 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio
Full Power Kyuubi
Alucard
#2 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm puzzled on this one

#3 Posted by Billy (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard

#4 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"I'm puzzled on this one"
How much power does Naruto has when he goes fox? Now, just imagine the fox in his full form that even the Death God couldn't take away his soul.

Kyuubi CURBSTOMP

#5 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

This is Full Power Alucard BTW

#6 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"This is Full Power Alucard BTW"
Would it matter? What could do to hurt the fox? Guns don't work no matter how powerful it is. His powers don't work much either because the fox is so much more powerful.
#7 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

Kyuubi has no real feats outside of losing to Konoha. Furthermore, the "mountain" "feat" is just a simile. What we can do is judge an estimate of what Kyuubi's powers would be like by looking at the other Demons. By the looks of that, Alucard would win.

Let's look at it this way, could Alucard beat Konoha? And the answer is obviously "yes". Alucard and his billion soul army have people who move at supersonic speeds. He has people with psychic powers. He has people who can punch holes through steel.

Alucard shoudl win, until we see more Kyuubi feats to prove otherwise.

#8 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kimikirai said:
"Kyuubi has no real feats outside of losing to Konoha. Furthermore, the "mountain" "feat" is just a simile. What we can do is judge an estimate of what Kyuubi's powers would be like by looking at the other Demons. By the looks of that, Alucard would win.

Let's look at it this way, could Alucard beat Konoha? And the answer is obviously "yes". Alucard and his billion soul army have people who move at supersonic speeds. He has people with psychic powers. He has people who can punch holes through steel.

Alucard shoudl win, until we see more Kyuubi feats to prove otherwise."
Not true at all. If Alucard invades then Yondaime could easily send his soul to the Death God by sacrificing his soul.
#9 Posted by Shaper (5168 posts) - - Show Bio

Just saying this, Naruto only has the yin of the kyuubi chakra. So, the kyuubi is like at half strength. Which means he is far more powerful when both yin and yang are together.

#10 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Shaper said:
"Just saying this, Naruto only has the yin of the kyuubi chakra. So, the kyuubi is like at half strength. Which means he is far more powerful when both yin and yang are together."
Dude, do you realize how little Naruto is using Kyuubi's strength?
#11 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard takes this

#12 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio
Hedatary said:
"Kimikirai said:
"Kyuubi has no real feats outside of losing to Konoha. Furthermore, the "mountain" "feat" is just a simile. What we can do is judge an estimate of what Kyuubi's powers would be like by looking at the other Demons. By the looks of that, Alucard would win.

Let's look at it this way, could Alucard beat Konoha? And the answer is obviously "yes". Alucard and his billion soul army have people who move at supersonic speeds. He has people with psychic powers. He has people who can punch holes through steel.

Alucard shoudl win, until we see more Kyuubi feats to prove otherwise."
Not true at all. If Alucard invades then Yondaime could easily send his soul to the Death God by sacrificing his soul."
You do realize that Alucard has millions of souls right? That would not do anything.
#13 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

whos Yondaime again?

#14 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

He is the Fourth Hokage who theoretically died sealing Kyuubi into Naruto.

#15 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

OOOOOOO Alucard wins this batte easy

#16 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

Any body else?

#17 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"
Full Power Kyuubi
Alucard
"
Dude, look at that picture of the demon fox very closely.....Do you see naruto in there?
#18 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard takes this one...

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#19 Posted by Light (9257 posts) - - Show Bio
Kimikirai said:
"Kyuubi has no real feats outside of losing to Konoha. Furthermore, the "mountain" "feat" is just a simile. What we can do is judge an estimate of what Kyuubi's powers would be like by looking at the other Demons. By the looks of that, Alucard would win.

Let's look at it this way, could Alucard beat Konoha? And the answer is obviously "yes". Alucard and his billion soul army have people who move at supersonic speeds. He has people with psychic powers. He has people who can punch holes through steel.

Alucard shoudl win, until we see more Kyuubi feats to prove otherwise."
soul things doesnt really matter because many ppl. like the hokage, kazekage along those lines can control souls as well and kyuubi only lost because the most powerful ninja ever in naruto used an unknown attack on it... but alucard still wins
#20 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Methos said:
"Alucard takes this one...

M"
Exactly what could he do to something the size of a C.N. Tower?
#21 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio
Hedatary said:
Exactly what could he do to something the size of a C.N. Tower?"

he took something bigger than that down before at the end of the original manga...

if this is fully unsealed Alucard then nothing really stands a chance against him

M
#22 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Methos said:
"Hedatary said:
Exactly what could he do to something the size of a C.N. Tower?"

he took something bigger than that down before at the end of the original manga...

if this is fully unsealed Alucard then nothing really stands a chance against him

M"
And what may that be?
#23 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio
Hedatary said:
And what may that be?"
  a true demon...

allow me to enlighten you on a fully released Alucard's powers

  • Immortality (which is connected with how many souls he has absorbed).
  • Regeneration: Alucard's ability to regenerate is considerably greater than any other vampire's, and may be due to the Hellsing family's experimentation. He has regenerated from a pool of blood and from being blown to shreds by gunfire.
  • Superhuman senses.
  • Incredible accuracy: Alucard has been known to hit targets at great range using handguns while looking the other way.
  • Superhuman strength: extent is unknown, but Alucard can physically rip humans apart with ease, as well as jump impossible distances with as litte difficulty.
  • Superhuman speed: He can move faster than can be seen, as well as run along vertical surfaces.
  • Intangibility: The ability to pass through solid objects.
  • Invisibility: He seems to turn invisible for a moment when fighting Incognito in the anime.
  • Manipulation of shadows into physical form. (Although vampires controlling shadows isn't unheard of, the artwork sometimes makes it difficult to distinguish between blood and shadows.)
  • Shapeshifting: Alucard can transform himself or parts of himself into bats, insects, snakes, hellhounds, other human forms including a little girl (girlucard), an amorphous mass of darkness, and many other forms. Alucard can has four known human forms each with different characteristics and weapons.
  • Atmospheric Control
  • Teleportation.
  • Telekinesis.
  • Telepathy.
  • Mind reading
  • Mind Control or Hypnosis.
  • Summoning familiars, the souls of those whose blood he has sucked in a variety of forms that either sprout from his body or swarm about him as an army numbering in the thousands. These familiars can also include animals such as horses and the weapons and abilities that the familiars possessed in life, but Alucard can only use this ability when control art restriction system level zero is released. It is suggested that this storing of souls is the primary reason for Alucard's apparent immortality. Also, the Major estimated that Alucard has the energy of up to 200 million souls inside him.
  • The ability to suck a person's blood and absorb their soul and, consequently, their knowledge and memories. (He learns more about Millennium after absorbing Tubalcain.) He can also absorb blood through his clothes and skin, as he does with Luke Valentine's blood after his hellhound had eaten Luke's body.
  • Hibernation: Alucard is able to survive long periods of time without consuming blood, but is able to fight at a usual level of strength after drinking blood.
  • Immunity or great resistance to the weaknesses most vampires possess. His abilities and health are not in any way compromised by such things as sunlight or silver. In fact, it appears that the only weapons capable of harming him to any real extent are the most holy of Christian artifacts, such as Father Anderson after augmenting his abilities with Helena's Nail.
  • The ability to sense supernatural activity (In The Dawn Alucard knew the Captain was a werewolf the moment he saw him, and in the OVA, could see the blessings on Father Anderson's bayonets).
  • In addition to his superhuman abilities, Alucard also possess centuries of combat experience. While he usually relies on crushing his opponents with sheer power, he does at times use strategy. When he fought Alhambra, Alucard used shadow duplicates to distract him, allowing Alucard to close the distance between them and deliver the deathblow.

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#24 Posted by Scarlet Spider. (654 posts) - - Show Bio

after seeing that i think its a standstill

#25 Edited by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Methos said:
"Hedatary said:
And what may that be?"
  a true demon...

allow me to enlighten you on a fully released Alucard's powers

  • Immortality (which is connected with how many souls he has absorbed).
  • Regeneration: Alucard's ability to regenerate is considerably greater than any other vampire's, and may be due to the Hellsing family's experimentation. He has regenerated from a pool of blood and from being blown to shreds by gunfire.
  • Superhuman senses.
  • Incredible accuracy: Alucard has been known to hit targets at great range using handguns while looking the other way.
  • Superhuman strength: extent is unknown, but Alucard can physically rip humans apart with ease, as well as jump impossible distances with as litte difficulty.
  • Superhuman speed: He can move faster than can be seen, as well as run along vertical surfaces.
  • Intangibility: The ability to pass through solid objects.
  • Invisibility: He seems to turn invisible for a moment when fighting Incognito in the anime.
  • Manipulation of shadows into physical form. (Although vampires controlling shadows isn't unheard of, the artwork sometimes makes it difficult to distinguish between blood and shadows.)
  • Shapeshifting: Alucard can transform himself or parts of himself into bats, insects, snakes, hellhounds, other human forms including a little girl (girlucard), an amorphous mass of darkness, and many other forms. Alucard can has four known human forms each with different characteristics and weapons.
  • Atmospheric Control
  • Teleportation.
  • Telekinesis.
  • Telepathy.
  • Mind reading
  • Mind Control or Hypnosis.
  • Summoning familiars, the souls of those whose blood he has sucked in a variety of forms that either sprout from his body or swarm about him as an army numbering in the thousands. These familiars can also include animals such as horses and the weapons and abilities that the familiars possessed in life, but Alucard can only use this ability when control art restriction system level zero is released. It is suggested that this storing of souls is the primary reason for Alucard's apparent immortality. Also, the Major estimated that Alucard has the energy of up to 200 million souls inside him.
  • The ability to suck a person's blood and absorb their soul and, consequently, their knowledge and memories. (He learns more about Millennium after absorbing Tubalcain.) He can also absorb blood through his clothes and skin, as he does with Luke Valentine's blood after his hellhound had eaten Luke's body.
  • Hibernation: Alucard is able to survive long periods of time without consuming blood, but is able to fight at a usual level of strength after drinking blood.
  • Immunity or great resistance to the weaknesses most vampires possess. His abilities and health are not in any way compromised by such things as sunlight or silver. In fact, it appears that the only weapons capable of harming him to any real extent are the most holy of Christian artifacts, such as Father Anderson after augmenting his abilities with Helena's Nail.
  • The ability to sense supernatural activity (In The Dawn Alucard knew the Captain was a werewolf the moment he saw him, and in the OVA, could see the blessings on Father Anderson's bayonets).
  • In addition to his superhuman abilities, Alucard also possess centuries of combat experience. While he usually relies on crushing his opponents with sheer power, he does at times use strategy. When he fought Alhambra, Alucard used shadow duplicates to distract him, allowing Alucard to close the distance between them and deliver the deathblow.

M"
Wow....this is pretty much useless against the Demon fox. Let "ME" enlighten you that alacurd is useless against the fox with my own counter.

Immortality - The demon fox cannot in physically die and NOT even the Death God itself could steal his soul.

Regeneration: Naruto's regeneration ability is almost instant. After going forth tail, all his skin was healed back almost instantly. His shoulder from the Chidori sasuke gave him again healed back instantly from using a very minor fox's ability. Now....just imagine what the demon it self's ability of regeneration would do? Do not compare naruto's regeneration ability to that of the fox' because the demon fox is so much more....

Superhuman senses
- Pff. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses. naruto goes fox and he gains superhuman senses. The demon fox is a type of a natural disaster in the form of a fox with it's own supernatural ability of superhuman senses. Pakun the dog from kakashi's has senses that are much greater than that of a human.

Incredible accuracy: Not that great. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses alone. His accuracy is that much perfect and then some. The fox is a giant comparable to that of a sky scraper....doesn't exactly need any accuracy.

Superhuman strength: At the age of 12, Naruto was able to stop a giant snake using very minor foxes chakra with only two hands.....

Superhuman speed: Kakashi moved faster than lightning and saved his teammate from kakuza`s lightning attack....nuff said.

Intangibility: ....what is he gonna do to the fox going ghost?

Invisibility: Fox has senses....he could smell him from a mile away.

Manipulation of shadows into physical form. Not much harm he could do against the fox.....is there? What can he do with this? Please enlighten me.

Shapeshifting: ninja's can transform into ANYTHING they want with basic techniques....again, useless. Especially since Shikamaru could take control of Alacurd's shadow form.

Atmospheric Control - whats that gonna do? Give the fox a little chill?

Telepathy
. Itachi could probebly beat him.

Mind reading - again....whats it gonna do?

Summoning familiars, 200 million souls inside him? thats  laugh. Nothing but quantity and canon fodder. Some are powerful but again, naruto characters could beat them individually on a one on one combat.

The ability to suck a person's blood and absorb their soul and, consequently, their knowledge and memories. Would be pretty useless with something so big.....besides, Fox would burn him to cinders the second he comes near him.


The ability to sense supernatural activity
Nothing special. Demon fox is a supernatural, a natural disaster from the very humans themselves.



#26 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio

Also...the demon represents the element of fire. Again, how much heat it can produce is unknown. but to represent the flames, a demon who a Death God could not kill....must be something major.

#27 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

Hedatary... you're way to bias in favor of Naruto. Let me address the points you've made:

1. "Immortality - The demon fox cannot in physically die and NOT even the Death God itself could steal his soul."

It was NEVER stated that the Demon Fox cannot physically die. The Death God couldn't steal Orochimaru's soul, does that make Orochimaru immortal? *spoiler* Doesn't look like it. Nobody knows the circumstances between the 4th and the 9 Tails fight. Furthermore, summoning the Death God is not the Death God fighting himself. Lets not invent things. Instead, lets go by fact: Kyuubi lost to the 4th Hokage.



2. "Regeneration
: Naruto's regeneration ability is almost instant. After going forth tail, all his skin was healed back almost instantly. His shoulder from the Chidori sasuke gave him again healed back instantly from using a very minor fox's ability. Now....just imagine what the demon it self's ability of regeneration would do? Do not compare naruto's regeneration ability to that of the fox' because the demon fox is so much more...."

"Just imagine"? So basicaly, it didn't happen in the anime or manga, but we should imagine. -_-



3. "Superhuman senses
- Pff. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses. naruto goes fox and he gains superhuman senses. The demon fox is a type of a natural disaster in the form of a fox with it's own supernatural ability of superhuman senses. Pakun the dog from kakashi's has senses that are much greater than that of a human."

Is Itachi in this battle? Thank god for him he is not. In any case, he has never manipulated kunais with his senses. Maybe chakra, but not senses. Where do you get this stuff? You're right about Pakun. He has senses better than a human! He has the senses of a dog! Why? Because... he is a... well... HE IS A DOG.



4. "Incredible accuracy
: Not that great. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses alone. His accuracy is that much perfect and then some. The fox is a giant comparable to that of a sky scraper....doesn't exactly need any accuracy."

Itachi has perfect accuracy? What feats prove this? Because Itachi does not have a 100% hit ratio. He has missed attacks.



5. "Superhuman strength
: At the age of 12, Naruto was able to stop a giant snake using very minor foxes chakra with only two hands....."

Thats nothing compared to Hellsingverse. You do realize in the last battle between Alucard and Walter, skyscrapers were dropping.



6. "Superhuman speed
: Kakashi moved faster than lightning and saved his teammate from kakuza`s lightning attack....nuff said."

Kakashi does NOT move faster than lightning. He predicted Kakuzu's intentions and anticipated where he would strike. Thats how he saved his teamates. Similar to how Aang from Avatar has dodged Azula's lightning. Heck, cops dodge bullets on a day to day basis. Does that make a cop who has dodged a bullet faster than a bullet? lol. NO.



7. "Intangibility
: ....what is he gonna do to the fox going ghost?"

How about not get hit?



8. "Invisibility
: Fox has senses....he could smell him from a mile away. "

When has it been stated that Kyuubi can smell a specific creature, out of thousands of creatures, within a mile radius? ANSWER: NEVER.



7. "Manipulation of shadows into physical form. Not much harm he could do against the fox.....is there? What can he do with this? Please enlighten me. "

Attack it? Trick it? A lot.




8. "Shapeshifting
: ninja's can transform into ANYTHING they want with basic techniques....again, useless. Especially since Shikamaru could take control of Alacurd's shadow form. "

LOL! No they cannot. They can give an ILLUSION. They cannot actually shift their physical shape. And Shikamaru take control of Alucard's shadow? XD

a. Alucard moves faster than a gated Rock Lee. Thats much faster than sight. He would blitz Shikamaru bad.

b. Tayuya broke free of Shikamaru's jutsu. And we're supposed to believe he can hold Alucard who has muchbetter strength and speed feats than any person introduced in Naruto?

c. Why are you mentioning Shikamaru? 0_o




9. "Atmospheric Control - whats that gonna do? Give the fox a little chill?"

One more feat to show. Whereas Kyuubi ONLY has one feat, losing to the 4th Hokage.



10. "Telepathy
. Itachi could probebly beat him."

Itachi does not even have telepathy. He can create illusions in your mind by manipulating the chakra in your head with his own. Sadly for Itachi, Alucard DOESN'T have chakra. And why is Itachi mentioned? 0_o



11. "Mind reading - again....whats it gonna do?
"

Along with telepathy, own the Kyuubi ie. Sasuke?



12. "Summoning familiars
, 200 million souls inside him? thats  laugh. Nothing but quantity and canon fodder. Some are powerful but again, naruto characters could beat them individually on a one on one combat."

Seriously. The Dandy Man, just one of those random 200 million souls, can solo Konoha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubalcain_Alhambra



13. "The ability to suck a person's blood and absorb their soul and, consequently, their knowledge and memories
. Would be pretty useless with something so big.....besides, Fox would burn him to cinders the second he comes near him."

He is posting what Alucard CAN DO, not what Alucard can do to beat Kyuubi. Get that in your head.

#28 Edited by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kimikirai said:
"Hedatary... you're way to bias in favor of Naruto. Let me address the points you've made:

1. "Immortality - The demon fox cannot in physically die and NOT even the Death God itself could steal his soul."

It was NEVER stated that the Demon Fox cannot physically die. The Death God couldn't steal Orochimaru's soul, does that make Orochimaru immortal? *spoiler* Doesn't look like it. Nobody knows the circumstances between the 4th and the 9 Tails fight. Furthermore, summoning the Death God is not the Death God fighting himself. Lets not invent things. Instead, lets go by fact: Kyuubi lost to the 4th Hokage.

First of all, you need immense amount of chakra and the 3rd hokage was way too old to perform such a powerful technique past his prime. Also, the 3rd only had enough power to take the soul of Oro's arm away. And Yondaime performed his technique when he was at his prime, and also because he is also possibly the most powerful ninja within the world at that current time. And i never said that the Death God would fight for them, i said the Death God would take the soul of Alacurd if it ever came to it. Also, i'm not being bias in naruto's favor. I'm being realistic.



2. "Regeneration
: Naruto's regeneration ability is almost instant. After going forth tail, all his skin was healed back almost instantly. His shoulder from the Chidori sasuke gave him again healed back instantly from using a very minor fox's ability. Now....just imagine what the demon it self's ability of regeneration would do? Do not compare naruto's regeneration ability to that of the fox' because the demon fox is so much more...."

"Just imagine"? So basicaly, it didn't happen in the anime or manga, but we should imagine. -_-

Anime and manga is nothing but imagination. DC and Marvel is nothing but imagination. While you are comparing naruto's regeneration ability (which you havn't noticed is very much instant, because while Naruto was in that barrier of fox's chakra, he was being constantly harmed and healed at the same time. This is the reason why his life span is being reduced.) again, this is the fox lending naruto his chakra, which is not much compared to the fox it self.



3. "Superhuman senses
- Pff. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses. naruto goes fox and he gains superhuman senses. The demon fox is a type of a natural disaster in the form of a fox with it's own supernatural ability of superhuman senses. Pakun the dog from kakashi's has senses that are much greater than that of a human."

Is Itachi in this battle? Thank god for him he is not. In any case, he has never manipulated kunais with his senses. Maybe chakra, but not senses. Where do you get this stuff? You're right about Pakun. He has senses better than a human! He has the senses of a dog! Why? Because... he is a... well... HE IS A DOG.

Well, i was tryping this thread really fast so...i got lost along the way lol but anyway, When i meant Itachi manipulating his kunies with his senses, what else could it be? During the eariler flashbacks of his childhood, Itachi was throwing his kunai's with an accurate 100% and thats not all, he was able to use two kunai's to deflect each other and make them change direction if someone was hiding  behind a rock. As sasuke did the same thing against naruto.



4. "Incredible accuracy
: Not that great. Itachi at a young age could manipulate his kunai's with his senses alone. His accuracy is that much perfect and then some. The fox is a giant comparable to that of a sky scraper....doesn't exactly need any accuracy."

Itachi has perfect accuracy? What feats prove this? Because Itachi does not have a 100% hit ratio. He has missed attacks.

Oh please, as if Alacurd never missed. And Ninja's are trained to hit their target with almost near perfect record.

5. "Superhuman strength
: At the age of 12, Naruto was able to stop a giant snake using very minor foxes chakra with only two hands....."

Thats nothing compared to Hellsingverse. You do realize in the last battle between Alucard and Walter, skyscrapers were dropping.

First of all, Walter was ripping them apart with his wires to shreds. Not picking it up. It is logical. Also, i'm comparing naruto by actucally stopping a giant snake at the age of 12 with VERY minor foxes chakra. So compare that to what naruto is now then back then?

6. "Superhuman speed
: Kakashi moved faster than lightning and saved his teammate from kakuza`s lightning attack....nuff said."

Kakashi does NOT move faster than lightning. He predicted Kakuzu's intentions and anticipated where he would strike. Thats how he saved his teamates. Similar to how Aang from Avatar has dodged Azula's lightning. Heck, cops dodge bullets on a day to day basis. Does that make a cop who has dodged a bullet faster than a bullet? lol. NO.

Damn...i was hoping no one would get that. But anyway, lets compare Gai to Alacurd shall we? Alacurd had trouble against a human named Alexander Anderson....Gai would murder him with ease. kakashi is faster, stronger and smarter than Lee. And while you are comparing Rock Lee, i'm comparing Gai, who is not only so much faster than Rock lee, but stronger that goes through one hell of a training session
7. "Intangibility
: ....what is he gonna do to the fox going ghost?"

How about not get hit?

....okay. Coward anyway? besides, Alacurd would never do something so cowardly. Never!!

8. "Invisibility
: Fox has senses....he could smell him from a mile away. "

When has it been stated that Kyuubi can smell a specific creature, out of thousands of creatures, within a mile radius? ANSWER: NEVER.

Well of course not...but lets be logical here shall we? Do you know how much a sense a fox has? So...lets compare a small regular fox....to that of a giant fox the size of a sky scraper with a large nostril the size of a house.

7. "Manipulation of shadows into physical form. Not much harm he could do against the fox.....is there? What can he do with this? Please enlighten me. "

Attack it? Trick it? A lot.

Not much of an answer is it?


8. "Shapeshifting
: ninja's can transform into ANYTHING they want with basic techniques....again, useless. Especially since Shikamaru could take control of Alacurd's shadow form. "

LOL! No they cannot. They can give an ILLUSION. They cannot actually shift their physical shape. And Shikamaru take control of Alucard's shadow? XD

Erm...first of all, what you are talking about are the illusionary ones. What I"M talking are the actual shadow clones. If you look at the battle between Naruto vs Kiba, he tricked Kiba into thinking he was actually Akamaru when he really wasn't. Also, naruto transformed an the Boss Toad Gamabunta into a mimic of a Nine tailed fox so that they could have a better grip on the one tailed Shakuka.

a. Alucard moves faster than a gated Rock Lee. Thats much faster than sight. He would blitz Shikamaru bad.

Again, what i said from above. And i never said Shikamaru would win.


b. Tayuya broke free of Shikamaru's jutsu. And we're supposed to believe he can hold Alucard who has muchbetter strength and speed feats than any person introduced in Naruto?

c. Why are you mentioning Shikamaru? 0_o

I just said it because Shikamaru has the ability to control shadows....i dunno. It just hit me.


9. "Atmospheric Control - whats that gonna do? Give the fox a little chill?"

One more feat to show. Whereas Kyuubi ONLY has one feat, losing to the 4th Hokage.

Of pff please...

"His tails create cyclones by spinning quickly, and Kyuubi proceeds to rip its enemies with its huge claws. At the same time his fur may shoot fireballs similar to meteorites endlessly, instantly destroying villages." as part of the legend. Or just read the Zero chapter...or something like that before Naruto's first chapter. You can read up on some of the powers the fox has...i think. I can't remember.

10. "Telepathy
. Itachi could probebly beat him."

Itachi does not even have telepathy. He can create illusions in your mind by manipulating the chakra in your head with his own. Sadly for Itachi, Alucard DOESN'T have chakra. And why is Itachi mentioned? 0_o

The Alacuard's chakra being non-existent hit me hard...grrr.....and I don't know dammit.

11. "Mind reading - again....whats it gonna do?
"

Along with telepathy, own the Kyuubi ie. Sasuke?

huh? If your talking about that little pop, the only thing Sasuke did was suppress it.

12. "Summoning familiars
, 200 million souls inside him? thats  laugh. Nothing but quantity and canon fodder. Some are powerful but again, naruto characters could beat them individually on a one on one combat."

Seriously. The Dandy Man, just one of those random 200 million souls, can solo Konoha.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubalcain_Alhambra

erm....i don't think so.

13. "The ability to suck a person's blood and absorb their soul and, consequently, their knowledge and memories
. Would be pretty useless with something so big.....besides, Fox would burn him to cinders the second he comes near him."

He is posting what Alucard CAN DO, not what Alucard can do to beat Kyuubi. Get that in your head.
"
So what was the point of posting what he CAN do?
#29 Posted by Pallu Project (522 posts) - - Show Bio
Hedatary said:
"TheDrifter said:
"I'm puzzled on this one"
How much power does Naruto has when he goes fox? Now, just imagine the fox in his full form that even the Death God couldn't take away his soul.

Kyuubi CURBSTOMP

"
I dislike the series, yet I agree with you with such ferocity that Pyramid Head got a cold chill up his spine. (On the same cliff side as Xercsis.)
#30 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"
Full Power Kyuubi
Alucard
"
Do you see that little naruto there? under the fox's shadow? That is Alacurd...and he is an ant compared to the might of the Demon Fox. Litterily. hahahah
#31 Posted by Pallu Project (522 posts) - - Show Bio

Alucard can lift 50x his own weight? Heh, but on a serious note, I want one? How much to Really big Foxies cost?

#32 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

I was going to quote you, but its too jumbled up, and i'm working.

This is pretty much it.

You invented a lot of techniques the 9 Tails has and didn't show in the manga or anime. You're using similes as feats. You claim Gai can take out Alexander Anderson (a Regenerator, not a human btw)... a guy who can use the 4th Hokage's best jutsu WITHOUT tags. You scoff at The Dandy Man, who is faster/stronger than anyone in Naruto (look at his power set via wiki and compare it to any Naruto ninja).

Here is it at the end of the day.

1. Kyuubi has no feats. Only "legends."

2. Kyuubi was beaten by a single ninja whos power set is laughable compared to Alucard.

3. The other demon beast were not that impressive.

4. Alucard has an army of 200 million souls. The Dandy Man, Rip Van Winkle, Valentine.. just 3 amongst 200,000 million... can all arguably solo Konoha. Yet, we're supposed to believe that Kyuubi would treat this army as cannon fodder when he was beaten by a single ninja with a weaker power set than those three?

Oh.. and you keep on going on tangents mentioning Shikamaru vs Alucard... Gai beating Alexander Anderson.. LOL. I dare you to start those threads.

#33 Posted by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio

First of all, much of what you say is all nothing bud biased speculations and opinions as facts. You don't even know or have enough proof of what these guys like Yondaime could do. Also, Yondaime never fought the demon for the last time He couldn't. None couldn't. They fought it to slow it down so that Yondaime could call the death god to seal his soul away. And say Alex could use 4th's best jutsu\s without tags is bullshit. Wtf are you talking about?! He doesn't know any jutsu's. Also, i know what a regenerator is. So what? Naruto could utterly destroy him with his rasangan completly.

Also, i know what dandy man could do. I saw the OVA's and read up on him before. He ain't that great wheres Alacurd pretty much destroyed him.

When you say the demon fox has no feats, only legends, then you have no proof or any thing else to say he would lose. Just by saying this and then saying Alacurd wins is all biased opinions. And the only reason i mentioned these ninja's is so that i am comparing them to the demon it self. These ninja's are nothing compared to the demon. And I know that alacurd is nothing as well compared to the demon.

Jeez, seriously, and you don't even bring up any more arguement against mine. Seriously, what's the best amount of damage could they do to some thing like the demon? And where is all your other counter against some of what i have said? Nothing.

#34 Edited by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio
"First of all, much of what you say is all nothing bud biased speculations and opinions as facts. You don't even know or have enough proof of what these guys like Yondaime could do. Also, Yondaime never fought the demon for the last time He couldn't. None couldn't. They fought it to slow it down so that Yondaime could call the death god to seal his soul away. And say Alex could use 4th's best jutsu\s without tags is bullshit. Wtf are you talking about?! He doesn't know any jutsu's. Also, i know what a regenerator is. So what? Naruto could utterly destroy him with his rasangan completly."

Heres what you don't understand. I DON'T HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. You need to prove what the Kyuubi can do. You can't because Kyuubi has NO FEATS. Yondaime DID fight the Demon Fox, and he sealed it using the Death God jutsu. The Death God did not fight 9 Tails. Yondaime did. And he won.

READING AND COMPREHENSION ALERT!

Yondaime's special jutsu is teleporting using tags he places (ie. if he leaves a tag on a tree, he can teleport to the tree). Alexander Anderson can teleport WITHOUT tagging the place he wishes to go.

"Also, i know what dandy man could do. I saw the OVA's and read up on him before. He ain't that great wheres Alacurd pretty much destroyed him."

Of course Alucard did. He is Alucard! The Dandy Man's power set is strogner than everyone in Konoha. Please name someone with a stronger power set.

"When you say the demon fox has no feats, only legends, then you have no proof or any thing else to say he would lose. Just by saying this and then saying Alacurd wins is all biased opinions. And the only reason i mentioned these ninja's is so that i am comparing them to the demon it self. These ninja's are nothing compared to the demon. And I know that alacurd is nothing as well compared to the demon."

Do you not understand that the burden of proof is on you? You need to prove that the Fox can win using feats and sources.

"Jeez, seriously, and you don't even bring up any more arguement against mine. Seriously, what's the best amount of damage could they do to some thing like the demon? And where is all your other counter against some of what i have said? Nothing."

Nothing? The beast are not even that strong. Hidan and Kakuzu have taken out one of the giant legendary beast. Their power sets are WAY below Alucard. Tobi taken out a legendary beast. His power set is way below Alucard. And counter what you said? All you did was invent feats for Kyuubi that was not in the anime or manga. All you did was bring up things that have nothing to do with the argument. lol.
#35 Posted by Swagga Boy (3769 posts) - - Show Bio

rez

#36 Edited by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm gonna put a nail in this coffin.

Here is Hedatry's arguments:

1. Kyuubi is big. Alucard is small. Kyuubi wins.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z309/Exco_photo/Bijuu/Sanbi_v36_ch317_01.jpg

That is Sanbi. Just as big as Kyuubi. Another one of the 9 Legendary Demon Beast. The only difference is that its element is water whereas Kyuubi is fire. Tobi, while pretending to be weak and retarded, beat the Sanbi Bijuu.

Tobi's abilities:
1. Become intangible (like Alucard)
2. Use elemental Jutsu
3. Sharingan (but was not using at the time, since he was hiding his identity)

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http://staticblog.hi-pi.com/gisblogMnt-jeuxvideo/furfighters/images/gd/1155898487.jpg

That is Nibi. Another one of the 9 Legendary Demon Beast. Just as big as Kyuubi. It controls the element of death. It was defeated by Hidan.

Hidan's abilities:
1. If he can get your blood AND if he can start his ritual, whatever damage you do to him, will also be inflicted onto yourself.
2. He is immortal. Keep in mind, he DOES NOT have regen. So if you slice him into bits, he's just a living head.
3. Umm.. thats it. Above average speed. Above average strength. Weakest of the Akatsuki. Defeated by Shikamaru.

HMMM!
Funny how these people WAY~ weaker than Alucard (and just as small) can beat your hyped up "Legendary Giant Beast"... yet, its absolutely ridiculous that Alucard can topple the featless Kyuubi. LOL.

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2. You don't know Kyuubi's abilities, so you can't proove he would lose!

Burden of proof: HEDATARY. He has to prove what Kyuubi can do, not me. What you are doing is  this:

"Bob White can beat the Beyonder!"

What can Bob White do? He has no feats?

"Well you can't prove that Beyonder can't beat Bob White, so I win!"

-_-

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3. Um.. Kyuubi COULD (keyword, "could" not "did)

You can't make up theoretical abilities. In a battle, you list feats and sources. HAS Kyuubi did that? HAS Kyuubi done that?

#37 Edited by Hedatary (3768 posts) - - Show Bio
Kimikirai said:


Heres what you don't understand. I DON'T HAVE THE BURDEN OF PROOF. You need to prove what the Kyuubi can do. You can't because Kyuubi has NO FEATS. Yondaime DID fight the Demon Fox, and he sealed it using the Death God jutsu. The Death God did not fight 9 Tails. Yondaime did. And he won.

Yet you think Alacurd could BEAT something like the demon fox when you just said that you DON"T have the burden of proof. Let me tell you something, Yondaime did NOT fight the demon. His armies of ninja's were the ones fighting these things trying to hold it back while waiting for Yondaime. And he did appear, atop the Boss Toad.

READING AND COMPREHENSION ALERT!

Yondaime's special jutsu is teleporting using tags he places (ie. if he leaves a tag on a tree, he can teleport to the tree). Alexander Anderson can teleport WITHOUT tagging the place he wishes to go.

First of all, Yondaime does this NOT for teleporting but for extreme speed. It is LIKE teleporting but he is infact going at an extreme speed, which is the reason why he is called the Yello Flash. Because he is freaking fast. Secondly, during the chunin exams, Gaara teleported with his sand, that is proof that other ninja's can teleport. Or the replacing techniques where one can replace the object such as a log with himself.

"Also, i know what dandy man could do. I saw the OVA's and read up on him before. He ain't that great wheres Alacurd pretty much destroyed him."

Of course Alucard did. He is Alucard! The Dandy Man's power set is strogner than everyone in Konoha. Please name someone with a stronger power set.

Saying that he is stronger than anyone is just arrogent speaking. Say he is facing Itachi for example. The second Dandy man faces Itachi, he would be captured in an illusion and he wouldn't even know about it. And don't bother saying that he doesn't have chakra. All beings have chakra. And as proven, Itachi captured the guy who uses clay explosives in an illusion. Just as he captured itachi with one of his clays, he realized that he used his own clay creatures to capture himself and was about to explode it while thinking he caught itachi with his clay monsters. It was all an illusion. It doesn't matter if Dandy man doesn't look into his eyes, he could look at Itachi's fingers and still be caught. And dandy man could've killed himself with his own powers.

"When you say the demon fox has no feats, only legends, then you have no proof or any thing else to say he would lose. Just by saying this and then saying Alacurd wins is all biased opinions. And the only reason i mentioned these ninja's is so that i am comparing them to the demon it self. These ninja's are nothing compared to the demon. And I know that alacurd is nothing as well compared to the demon."

Do you not understand that the burden of proof is on you? You need to prove that the Fox can win using feats and sources.

And you say that Alacurd could beat something when YOU have no proof of what the demon fox could do either. What you are doing is nothign but being biased.

"Jeez, seriously, and you don't even bring up any more arguement against mine. Seriously, what's the best amount of damage could they do to some thing like the demon? And where is all your other counter against some of what i have said? Nothing."

Nothing? The beast are not even that strong. Hidan and Kakuzu have taken out one of the giant legendary beast. Their power sets are WAY below Alucard. Tobi taken out a legendary beast. His power set is way below Alucard. And counter what you said? All you did was invent feats for Kyuubi that was not in the anime or manga. All you did was bring up things that have nothing to do with the argument. lol."

First of all, there is a reason why these beasts were so weak. it was explained in the manga. And i'm not going to bother digging it up, you can do for all i care but there are reasons as to why the beasts living outside were weak. Kimikirai said:
"I'm gonna put a nail in this coffin.

Here is Hedatry's arguments:

1. Kyuubi is big. Alucard is small. Kyuubi wins.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z309/Exco_photo/Bijuu/Sanbi_v36_ch317_01.jpg

That is Sanbi. Just as big as Kyuubi. Another one of the 9 Legendary Demon Beast. The only difference is that its element is water whereas Kyuubi is fire. Tobi, while pretending to be weak and retarded, beat the Sanbi Bijuu.

Again, as i said before, there is a reason why these beasts were so weak and out of control. Also why as these guys got the beasts so easily.

Tobi's abilities:
1. Become intangible (like Alucard)
2. Use elemental Jutsu
3. Sharingan (but was not using at the time, since he was hiding his identity)

And what does this prove?

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http://staticblog.hi-pi.com/gisblogMnt-jeuxvideo/furfighters/images/gd/1155898487.jpg

That is Nibi. Another one of the 9 Legendary Demon Beast. Just as big as Kyuubi. It controls the element of death. It was defeated by Hidan.

Stupid, this is like naruto going four tailed fox, there is a person controlling that beast from the Hidden Cloud village.

Hidan's abilities:
1. If he can get your blood AND if he can start his ritual, whatever damage you do to him, will also be inflicted onto yourself.
2. He is immortal. Keep in mind, he DOES NOT have regen. So if you slice him into bits, he's just a living head.
3. Umm.. thats it. Above average speed. Above average strength. Weakest of the Akatsuki. Defeated by Shikamaru.

Weakest of the akatsuki?! are you insane? All the ninja's are made up of S-class ninja's.

HMMM!
Funny how these people WAY~ weaker than Alucard (and just as small) can beat your hyped up "Legendary Giant Beast"... yet, its absolutely ridiculous that Alucard can topple the featless Kyuubi. LOL

Wow...amazing. You are comparing something from a ninja is using, like nartuo. Also, it was two against one. You make it sould like it's one on one. Remember that.

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2. You don't know Kyuubi's abilities, so you can't proove he would lose!

And neither do you, while you are comparing those other beasts feats when they are either weak and uncontrollable or...being controlled by a human ninja, as proven since Nibi was being controlled by a hidden cloud ninja. And Nibi was NOT big. It was about the same size as Four tailed fox.

Burden of proof: HEDATARY. He has to prove what Kyuubi can do, not me. What you are doing is  this:

"Bob White can beat the Beyonder!"

What can Bob White do? He has no feats?

"Well you can't prove that Beyonder can't beat Bob White, so I win!"

What the fck are you talking about? Saying i have no proof again is the same thing as saying YOU have no proof either. so it's basically a stalemate. You CAN"T prove that Alacurd could win.


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3. Um.. Kyuubi COULD (keyword, "could" not "did)

You can't make up theoretical abilities. In a battle, you list feats and sources. HAS Kyuubi did that? HAS Kyuubi done that?"

And you bring up proof of Alacurd when you are comparing them to feats done by weak ninja's or really weak beasts with no amount of control with there powers, as said by the guy who is using clay.
And are you saying that this beam, (watch at 3:07 (second video) done by a mini naruto with only four tail, Alacurd could block that? or could even regenerate from it? It is a complete obliteration.

Watch the first video, (2:29) Dandy man wouldn't even scratch naruto in his forth tail power let alone actually hurt him. No chance.
  
 
#38 Edited by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

Hedatary-

I think Alucard can beat Kyuubi BASED on what we know of Kyuubi. What do we know? He was beaten by Yondaime. FACT. That is what I base my prediction on. EVIDENCE. You base your prediction on feats you've invented. Feats that are not in the manga or anime. THUS, the burden of proof is on you to prove that Kyuubi can beat Alucard using feats and sources. Is this really hard to understand? Have you ever taken a debate course? Let me make it simple for you:

My interpretation: Alucard > Kyuubi (who's only feat is fighting Konoha and losing; admitting defeat to Madara; defeated by Sasuke)

Your interpretation: Alucard < Kyuubi (GIANT with super regen even though it wasn't shown, super fire barriers even though it never happened, super smelling nose even though he never smelled anything)

See the difference? Burden of proof is still on... *drum role* YOU!

On the subject of teleporting. Naruto Ninja's do not teleport when they use replacement techniques. That is an illusion. If Naruto nins can actually teleport:

1. The Sound 4 could have teleported Sasuke away.
2. Naruto, Kiba, etc.. would have teleported out of the first Sound 4's earth jutsu.
3. A lot of fights would have been different.
4. Sasuke and Naruto would have teleported out of Haku's demonic mirror jutsu.
5. Do you really want me to go on?

All beings have chakra? I'd hate to tell you this, but Naruto has a special chakra system that does not exist in other verses. No go buddy. Even assuming Itachi COULD put Dandy Man in an illusion... who is to say that Dandy Man wouldn't put him in an illusion first? Forget any of that, Dandy man would speed blitz Itachi like no tomorrow. But this is off topic, like most of your comments.

And good job weakening the other Demonic Beast! LOL. Before, size was such a factor, but since the other equally sized beast got beat up by lesser creatures than Alucard... now it is the other beast are weak. WOW! So I guess size isn't a factor anymore? XD

#39 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

About your edit:

"And are you saying that this beam, (watch at 3:07 (second video) done by a mini naruto with only four tail, Alacurd could block that? or could even regenerate from it? It is a complete obliteration."

Why yes, he would regenerate from that. Kyuubi would have to kill him at least 200,000 million more times in order to kill him with that. However, more importantly, Alucard, who moves at bullet-time, would not get hit by an attack that slow. Neither would the Dandy Man.

"Watch the first video, (2:29) Dandy man wouldn't even scratch naruto in his forth tail power let alone actually hurt him. No chance."

What proof do you have that Dandy Man couldn't scratch him? We've only seen 4 Tail Naruto get hit by Orochimaru's punch. What proof do you have that Dandy Man's cards, which slice steel like butter, wouldn't hurt 4 Tail Naruto? None.