Kyle vs Alan

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idk, probably kyle round 1 but idk who sentinel Alan is and what he is capable of...

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" @velle37: Sentinel was when he became one with the Starheart "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: Sentinel was when he became one with the Starheart "

What changed about him? "

" @velle37 said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: Sentinel was when he became one with the Starheart "

What changed about him? "

He was immune to the wood weakness among other things "

" @Sexy Merc: Alan wins both. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37 said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: Sentinel was when he became one with the Starheart "

What changed about him? "

He was immune to the wood weakness among other things "

I thought he lost his weakness to wood, along with becoming green flame Starheart magic, and no longer needing the ring, because he was "made out of" the Starheart. "

" @Crom-Cruach: Why? What's stopping Kyle from taking out Alan in seconds like Hal did exposing his wood weakness in round 1 (which Kyle knows by the way)? "

" @velle37 said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37 said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: Sentinel was when he became one with the Starheart "

What changed about him? "

He was immune to the wood weakness among other things "

I thought he lost his weakness to wood, along with becoming green flame Starheart magic, and no longer needing the ring, because he was "made out of" the Starheart. "

That was Sentinel. What's your point? "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @Crom-Cruach: Why? What's stopping Kyle from taking out Alan in seconds like Hal did exposing his wood weakness in round 1 (which Kyle knows by the way)? "

Alan is far more experienced, has a stronger ring, and is every way just as fast. With your set up, Kyle isn't beating him in either rounds. The way Hal beat him too was PIS. "

" I was trying to understand what you meant, because you said in your OP the second fight has Sentinel, but you said this is not using current Alan Scott. So i was asking you was there any difference between pure Starhart Alan and Sentinel.  Just trying to ifgure out what you meant by your post.  "

" @Crom-Cruach said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @Crom-Cruach: Why? What's stopping Kyle from taking out Alan in seconds like Hal did exposing his wood weakness in round 1 (which Kyle knows by the way)? "

Alan is far more experienced, has a stronger ring, and is every way just as fast. With your set up, Kyle isn't beating him in either rounds. The way Hal beat him too was PIS. "

Alan is more experienced, Kyle's Ring is more powerful than every other GLs but the Starheart Ring being stronger is debatable (the best way to test it would be off of feats), Kyle has exceeded light multiple times, kept up with Wally in travel speed and combat (they weren't fighting each other though) etc. How does Alan get such a decisive victory in round 1 based on the set up? It's him pre-Sentinel, which implies he has his wood weakness and Hal beating him isn't pis at all. He had a clear cut weakness, and Hal exposed it. It's similar to Kryptonite for Superman, but the effects of wood on Alan seem to be much more deadly considering that Superman has gone up and successfully combated Kyrptonite based weapons/enemies etc. before. "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @Crom-Cruach: Why? What's stopping Kyle from taking out Alan in seconds like Hal did exposing his wood weakness in round 1 (which Kyle knows by the way)? "

Alan is far more experienced, has a stronger ring, and is every way just as fast. With your set up, Kyle isn't beating him in either rounds. The way Hal beat him too was PIS. "

"but the Starheart Ring being stronger is debatable (the best way to test it would be off of feats)"

" How does Alan get such a decisive victory in round 1 based on the set up? "

" It's him pre-Sentinel, which implies he has his wood weakness and Hal beating him isn't pis at all.

" @Sexy Merc said:

"but the Starheart Ring being stronger is debatable (the best way to test it would be off of feats)"

The Starheart is a nexus for all good magic in the DC universe. It's basically the Rock of Ages's little brother, much more powerful then any GL corp ring. And even before he merged with it, he had long lost this weakness. That went away with Crisis on Infinite earths.
@Sexy Merc said:

" How does Alan get such a decisive victory in round 1 based on the set up? "

As I've said, his ring is more powerful. Alan is more experienced using it. His ring has limitless energy as well. And Kyle is neither smarter or equipped with any advantage to overcome the more experienced Alan.
@Sexy Merc said:

" It's him pre-Sentinel, which implies he has his wood weakness and Hal beating him isn't pis at all.

Alan lost his weakness to wood before he merged with the Starheart. And it was PIS. Because Alan has time and again shown the creativity and intelligence to get around people armed with wood when he did have the weakness. "

" What did Hal do with wood that was so impossible for Alan to overcome? "

" @velle37 said:

" What did Hal do with wood that was so impossible for Alan to overcome? "

nothing, it was typical Silver Age style PIS of: "Curse you! You know my weakness therefore my brain shuts down and I let you beat me!" "

" @Crom-Cruach: I remember Alan near death in a hospital with Mr. Terrific in a Post-Crisis story, due to being injured by wood. Let me see if I can find the scan "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" @Crom-Cruach: I remember Alan near death in a hospital with Mr. Terrific in a Post-Crisis story, due to being injured by wood. Let me see if I can find the scan "

I remember it was more about being stabbed in the heart. Which has a tendency to ruin your day. "

" I didn't read the story so I'll take your word for it. Where has it been shown on-panel after COIE that he no longer had the weakness to wood before merging with the Starheart? "

" @Sexy Merc said:

" I didn't read the story so I'll take your word for it. Where has it been shown on-panel after COIE that he no longer had the weakness to wood before merging with the Starheart? "

JSA, thought I don't remember which issue. "

" Hmm..well if you get the issue number or the scan, just post it I guess "

" @Sexy Merc 
You still haven't told me how Kyle's ring is morepowerfula than every other GL ring. "

" @velle37 said:

" @Sexy Merc 
You still haven't told me how Kyle's ring is morepowerfula than every other GL ring. "

His is a special elite ring that he received when Hal went nuts. Not that it will matter, Alan's ring is more powerful then any Corp ring. "

" @velle37: Kyle's Ring has been the most powerful Ring, not only because it never had a weakness to yellow, was never dependent on the Central Power Battery and the insane feats he has accomplished with it. Also, most of the current GL's Rings limitations have been retconned, like John exceeding the willpower of the Ring when attempting to recreate Xanshi, and in Kyle's run he constructed a planet, and reconstructed Jupiter with no problems.  "

" @velle37: Getting info off of wikis isn't a very smart thing to do. Actually reading Kyle's run as a GL will give you a better understanding of why his feats can't be replicated by other Corps members.  True point about the Xanshi star system "

" @velle37: I've read every appearance of Kyle in a comic and have debated with people before on how Kyle's Ring was crafted since his initial appearance to be more powerful than other GLs. He performed Pre-Crisis feats in his run numerous times, something Hal hasn't done Post-Crisis, nor has any other Lantern currently in the Corps (with no enhancements or power ups like Ion). I'm not going to get into the whole debate again, I don't like going in circles. If you don't believe me, fine, I'm not forcing you to "

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@Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: I've read every appearance of Kyle in a comic and have debated with people before on how Kyle's Ring was crafted since his initial appearance to be more powerful than other GLs. He performed Pre-Crisis feats in his run numerous times, something Hal hasn't done Post-Crisis, nor has any other Lantern currently in the Corps (with no enhancements or power ups like Ion). I'm not going to get into the whole debate again, I don't like going in circles. If you don't believe me, fine, I'm not forcing you to "

Just name a few things that Kyle can do that other GL's can't, which makes him more powerful.  You're the one who stated it, i don't see why you can't actually back it up.  You even falsely accused me when i posted the knowledge that i do have of Kyle.  Simply saying "I've debated with others and proved this" means nothing.  I haven't heard from anyone else but you that Kyle's ring is more powerful than all other GL rings.  Just having feats doesn't mean other GL's cant do them, it means Kyle is the GL written with those feats. When a writer gets an idea and their company lets them use it, they can do anything to make a character look good. But never have i seen it stated hat Kyle's ring is more powerful. I even listed the unique qualities of it, but that still doesn't make it ultimately superior.  It's not about forcing me to believe you, it's about backing up what you clamed. "

" @velle37 said:

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@Sexy Merc said:

" @velle37: I've read every appearance of Kyle in a comic and have debated with people before on how Kyle's Ring was crafted since his initial appearance to be more powerful than other GLs. He performed Pre-Crisis feats in his run numerous times, something Hal hasn't done Post-Crisis, nor has any other Lantern currently in the Corps (with no enhancements or power ups like Ion). I'm not going to get into the whole debate again, I don't like going in circles. If you don't believe me, fine, I'm not forcing you to "

Just name a few things that Kyle can do that other GL's can't, which makes him more powerful.  You're the one who stated it, i don't see why you can't actually back it up.  You even falsely accused me when i posted the knowledge that i do have of Kyle.  Simply saying "I've debated with others and proved this" means nothing.  I haven't heard from anyone else but you that Kyle's ring is more powerful than all other GL rings.  Just having feats doesn't mean other GL's cant do them, it means Kyle is the GL written with those feats. When a writer gets an idea and their company lets them use it, they can do anything to make a character look good. But never have i seen it stated hat Kyle's ring is more powerful. I even listed the unique qualities of it, but that still doesn't make it ultimately superior.  It's not about forcing me to believe you, it's about backing up what you clamed. "

Contained/shielded multi-solar system busters more than once, triggered Solaris to go supernova and contained it until Kal Kent arrived, contained the Big Bang of Warworld which was about to restart DC, constructed planets/reconstructed Jupiter, exceeded 3000 light years in a few seconds, demonstrated the ability to give himself superpowers like super speed/heat vision etc. "

1. Antimatter wave that was destroying countless solar systems
2. I've never seen a GL trigger a supernova, but I agree that Nova's aren't out of the realm of other GLs. Kyle was a rookie at the time and Batman just told him it was possible. He didn't 'coach' him. I don't like how you're downplaying that feat
3. No, lol. Nothing has said other GLs can't contain a Big Bang so they must be able to? No, hell no. Kyle has the best feats, translating that onto other GLs DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD.
4. Lanterns can give themselves superpowers but it's something Kyle does regularly considering he's the most creative/imaginative of the Corps
5. The Big Bang of Warworld with Imperiex, I don't have my scans here
   

" @velle37: 
 

1. Antimatter wave that was destroying countless solar systems
2. I've never seen a GL trigger a supernova, but I agree that Nova's aren't out of the realm of other GLs. Kyle was a rookie at the time and Batman just told him it was possible. He didn't 'coach' him. I don't like how you're downplaying that feat
3. No, lol. Nothing has said other GLs can't contain a Big Bang so they must be able to? No, hell no. Kyle has the best feats, translating that onto other GLs DOES NOT WORK. PERIOD.
4. Lanterns can give themselves superpowers but it's something Kyle does regularly considering he's the most creative/imaginative of the Corps
5. The Big Bang of Warworld with Imperiex, I don't have my scans here
   

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" @Crom-Cruach said:

" @Sexy Merc said:

" I didn't read the story so I'll take your word for it. Where has it been shown on-panel after COIE that he no longer had the weakness to wood before merging with the Starheart? "

JSA, thought I don't remember which issue. "

Hmm..well if you get the issue number or the scan, just post it I guess "

" Rayner made can win both rounds actually....  "

" @Sexy Merc: Alan wins both. "

" @velle37: there is nothing to suggest that all GL can contain a big bang like kyle "

" @velle37: 
 

1. Antimatter wave that was destroying countless solar systems

" @velle37: His shield was durable enough to protect the civilians from it "

" Rayner made can win both rounds actually....  "