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#1 Posted by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight Takes place : Earth , Ginger town

Rules

Morals off , blood lusted

Fighters start 25 feet apart

Vs

#2 Posted by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by dondave (36648 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be good

#4 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

*Puts face inches from monitor and starts shoveling in popcorn*

#5 Posted by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks, man.

#6 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9940 posts) - - Show Bio

#7 Posted by Bossmonster (2212 posts) - - Show Bio

*waits*

#8 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

inb4kakarot88copypaste

#9 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, sorry to keep you all waiting:

First and foremost, Kyle can not only destroy planets, but his auto-shields can protect him from attacks of that magnitude without a scratch:

Kyle is capable of containing the energy of literally the Big Bang:

Kyle protected himself from a cosmic event that destroyed a solar system:

Kyle held the the likes of Ultraman, who's physically on par with Superman for hours:

And perhaps one of Kyle's greatest feats, he not only created but he also contained a supernova:

Furthermore, all GL rings have an auto-fire setting:

#10 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

DBZ characters don't seem to have too much in the way of resistance to heat based attacks. Green Lanterns such as Hal Jordan can make blasts as hot as the sun:

Kyle could easily replicate this:

Kyle can teleport people:

Kyle can go invisible:

If he so chose, Kyle could attack Goku internally, like so:

In short

- Speed blitzing won't work on Kyle due to his powerful auto-shields and (after he survives Goku's initial assault) his auto-fire setting will also help counter Goku's speed

- Kyle's blasts are powerful enough do damage and his shields can defend from Goku's attacks

- Kyle has plenty of versatility to back up his raw power, this versatility makes him highly adaptable in combat

#11 Posted by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright, sorry to keep you all waiting:

First and foremost, Kyle can not only destroy planets, but his auto-shields can protect him from attacks of that magnitude without a scratch:

Well , this is certainly impressive but , goku can exert much more Destructive power than 1 planet exploding. As shown in buu saga when , they used something called kili. According to Daizenshuu , it is possible to destroy 2 planets with 300 kili , goku at ssj had 3000 kili. Meaning , at that time , goku could destroy , 20 planets. And that's just ssj1

Kyle is capable of containing the energy of literally the Big Bang:

Thats cool, but um ,when , kyle is trying to contain one of gokus energy blasts , that'll leave himself open to goku's attacks

Kyle protected himself from a cosmic event that destroyed a solar system:

O.O to be honest , i never saw that one. But even though his energy shields are so durable , thats not gonna matter if kyle isn't attacking

Kyle held the the likes of Ultraman, who's physically on par with Superman for hours:

And perhaps one of Kyle's greatest feats, he not only created but he also contained a supernova:

Furthermore, all GL rings have an auto-fire setting:

#12 Edited by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

In short

- Speed blitzing won't work on Kyle due to his powerful auto-shields and (after he survives Goku's initial assault) his auto-fire setting will also help counter Goku's speed

- Kyle's blasts are powerful enough do damage and his shields can defend from Goku's attacks

- Kyle has plenty of versatility to back up his raw power, this versatility makes him highly adaptable in combat

While speed blitzing won't really work on kyle , he can't have his auto-shields up the entire fight.

While his blasts may be powerful enough to destroy a planet , goku can easily dodge a blast and or speed blitz on kyle the moment kyle doesn't have a shield up. Goku also has way more than enough energy to destroy an auto shield as , since goku could destroy 20 planets at ssj1 , in buu saga as , ssj2= x2 ssj1 meaning goku could destroy 40 planets in buu saga at ssj2 and continuing the pattern , 120 planets in ssj3 but wait , theres more. ssj4 is 4000x times base and since ssj4 is gt and gt goku is =ssj3 dbz goku thats , 4000 x 120 .Meaning , at ssj4 , goku should be able to destroy 480000 planets. Thats essentially 25440000000000000000000 MT( since the necessary energy to destroy 1 planet is 53 quadrillion MT ) thats 25 sextillion , 440 quintillion MT.

So , While kyle may have super durable auto shields able to withstand alot of destructive force and may be able to destroy planets , goku's combination of superior Hand 2 hand fighting skills and energy output would eventually wear kyle down.

#13 Edited by zr0c00l (856 posts) - - Show Bio

How exactly do you figure goku can destroy 20 planets.....

#14 Posted by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge:

In short

- Speed blitzing won't work on Kyle due to his powerful auto-shields and (after he survives Goku's initial assault) his auto-fire setting will also help counter Goku's speed

- Kyle's blasts are powerful enough do damage and his shields can defend from Goku's attacks

- Kyle has plenty of versatility to back up his raw power, this versatility makes him highly adaptable in combat

While speed blitzing won't really work on kyle , he can't have his auto-shields up the entire fight.

While his blasts may be powerful enough to destroy a planet , goku can easily dodge a blast and or speed blitz on kyle the moment kyle doesn't have a shield up. Goku also has way more than enough energy to destroy an auto shield as , since goku could destroy 20 planets at ssj1 , in buu saga as , ssj2= x2 ssj1 meaning goku could destroy 40 planets in buu saga at ssj2 and continuing the pattern , 120 planets in ssj3 but wait , theres more. ssj4 is 4000x times base and since ssj4 is gt and gt goku is =ssj3 dbz goku thats , 4000 x 120 .Meaning , at ssj4 , goku should be able to destroy 480000 planets. Thats essentially 25440000000000000000000 MT( since the necessary energy to destroy 1 planet is 53 quadrillion MT ) thats 25 sextillion , 440 quintillion MT.

So , While kyle may have super durable auto shields able to withstand alot of destructive force and may be able to destroy planets , goku's combination of superior Hand 2 hand fighting skills and energy output would eventually wear kyle down.

Actually, a Green Lantern's shields will always protect them from harm as long as the ring has a charge:

Kyle has created constructs that dwarf multiple planets:

Kyle can contain multiple and absorb black holes at the same time and create a protective suit against them (and the heat/radiation of the sun) that encompasses his whole body. He can also phase through solid objects:

Kyle has reacted to a ship traveling 7 times light speed:

Kyle can create duplicates of the JLA that possess all their abilities:

#15 Posted by SheenLantern (6499 posts) - - Show Bio
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#16 Edited by dondave (36648 posts) - - Show Bio

This is looking good

#17 Posted by logy5000 (5733 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow.

#18 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

While Kyle is obviously outmatched in hand-to-hand combat, he's no slouch, being trained by Batman:

And Kyle has no trouble using his constructs up close. They can be used as a distraction or to create an opening:

Kyle can create armor for himself, to absorb some punches:

Kyle could also create moving humanoid constructs to back him up:

I'm not even sure how one would quantify Kyle containing a universal level explosion, but I know the universe is a lot bigger than a hundred thousand planets.

Furthermore, Kyle has contained a supernova and they have a megaton range somewhere in the tens of octillions, which is substantially greater then what Goku can apparently produce (also, would you happen to have evidence of his multi-planet busting ability?).

Also, I'm somewhat confused as to what version of Goku you're using. Are you using the most recent version of him, from Battle of The Gods? Or are you using the version of him from GT, before becoming a child, or when he was a child?

To sum my counter-argument up:

- Kyle's training, resourcefulness, strong constructs, impressive speed in his own right and defenses will allow him to defend against Goku in the event he closes the gap

- Kyle's more humanoid constructs and his JLA constructs will outnumber Goku

- Kyle could potentially absorb some of Goku's energy attacks, just as he absorbed that quantum singularity

#19 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

Also, if you're going to make the argument that Goku could steal Rayner's ring, don't bother. He still has control over it when not wearing it and he can command it to return to him:

#20 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
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#22 Posted by God_Spawn (37748 posts) - - Show Bio

@hart7668: Only general threads. DB,DBZ, and DBGT can all be used in challenge a viner threads or tourney like threads since it is only between 2 users and therefore much less likely to break out into a flamewar. If it is a general thread and open to the public of the forum, then they are not allowed.

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#23 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Edited by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9940 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9940 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: Good Lord that's long. Don't know what he's talking about what he says that Superman has different stats on Earth than he does in space.

#31 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk:

I mean...he would be, but... @sheenlantern was expecting a kakarot88-bomb, as was I, and nighthunder hasn't delivered yet, which makes me assume he doesn't know. (and if he does now it's irrelevant because it takes days to properly get info out of the kakarot88 blog. 400 pages of pure rofl-stompiness, but a lot of it is just kakarot88 being like 'BUT EVEN IF YOU DON'T BUY THAT...')

@godtriggerhulk: He's talking about how it's idiotic to think that Superman would be sundipped.

See, Goku CAN'T SURVIVE IN SPACE. If Superman tried to go into space, goku would be like 'wait what no' and just instant transmission in front of him and knock him back down. He's done it before.

Thus the wack sundip stats are completely irrelevant. Goku would want Superman to be at max power, yes, but Superman can't sundip and then come back to earth without having the sundip wear off really quickly. At best they could fight in the upper atmosphere.

#32 Posted by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio
#33 Posted by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

When do people want to start voting?

#34 Posted by SheenLantern (6499 posts) - - Show Bio
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#35 Posted by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Posted by Chibi_cute (4526 posts) - - Show Bio

Getting trained by batman for a short amount of time is different from someone who has been training marshall arts since he was a little kid and for his whole life.

Goku would beat his ass in h2h combat.

#37 Posted by ComicStooge (12595 posts) - - Show Bio

Getting trained by batman for a short amount of time is different from someone who has been training marshall arts since he was a little kid and for his whole life.

Goku would beat his ass in h2h combat.

I never said Kyle would do well, just that he's competent enough with his fighting ability and ring-slinging to create some separation between himself and Goku.

It's not like Goku's punches alone can do much to Kyle's shields, regardless.

Anyway, I'm not debating with you on the subject, I'm debating against NighThunder.

#38 Posted by dondave (36648 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Edited by NeonGameWave (7712 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by New_World_Order (13064 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: It's disingenuous to sequester feats for no good reason though. Superman wasn't even sun-dipped for the shadow moon, supernova or Titan busting feats. He treats Supes in space and Supes on Earth as different characters. Sure the rate at which he absorbs solar energy is higher in space this simply means he's getting stronger more quickly. Re-entering the atmosphere doesn't somehow negate the solar rays he already absorbed, they exist inside Superman's body until spent by extreme physical exertion.

#42 Posted by Dratini1331 (7028 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Edited by Jgames (1682 posts) - - Show Bio

is it over already, if so t at dissapointing, no scan, no counter arguement on how easy it is to steal tge ring then snapped his hand, or his many techniques, @comicstooge gets my vote

#44 Edited by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicstooge said:

To sum my counter-argument up:

- Kyle's training, resourcefulness, strong constructs, impressive speed in his own right and defenses will allow him to defend against Goku in the event he closes the gap

- Kyle's more humanoid constructs and his JLA constructs will outnumber Goku

- Kyle could potentially absorb some of Goku's energy attacks, just as he absorbed that quantum singularity

Sorry to keep ya'll waiting , dont count me out yet.

, And yes he can create a shield and absorb some of goku's energy attacks , goku would just move in and speed blitz on him while hes busy absorbing his attacks First thing is, kyle would have to be on his toes the entire fight , goku as you see always fights atleast ftl or massively hyper sonic and kyle won't be able to keep up ( i think its obvious goku fights at ftl though since he moved at half lightsspeed as a kid, dodges lasers as a kid , dodges a solar flare.......which is literally light..)

Secondly In the event kyle creates JLA humanoid constructs , it'll only slow goku down, and while goku is busy with the constructs , its true kyle can attack goku but even if he fires a planet busting attack , it won't severely damage goku. According to death battle , the energy you can put out is the energy you can withstand. And im not sure kyle can put out the energy of 480000 planetary explosions.

To sum up my cuonter-counter argument:

Goku would use any and every chance he gets to attack kyle the moment kyle doesn't have his auto-shields up

Any energy that goku lands on kyle is going to severely hurt him due to his high energy out-put

Goku can boost his speed ,strength ect.. with ki in short bursts , every blow that goku makes with his fists kicks ect.. And while kyle is EXTREMELY versatile , even more so than i could previously recall , it would be easy for goku to IT close to klye and completely speed blitz on him and when kyle creates armor , it wouldn't be hard for goku to break that armory and send klye smashing down on earth.

The JLA constructs will only slow goku down , and kyle's only protection from goku's speed blitzing is his auto shields witch can't be up the entire fight or the ring will loose power , thus making it hard to keep up with goku.

Goku would be extremely hard for kyle to beat due to his fast movements and ability to boost his attacks in short bursts , making every punch goku makes thats much more deadly

The only things kyle has over goku is, ability to absorb energy attacks to an extent , Able to create constructs to keep goku busy, and the ability to shield himself from virtually any attack . Still goku would be moving too fast for kyle to even see and even kyle can see goku and his movements , he wouldn't be able to react in time

#45 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (24173 posts) - - Show Bio
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#46 Posted by Dark Cloud™ (2174 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't help but notice a few of ComicStooge's scans weren't that of Kyle, but of other characters. I know the idea is that Kyle can reproduce those feats, but this battle isn't about whether he can reproduce them, rather whether he has done them. Unfortunately, that irks me into giving Goku the edge (otherwise I would have given CS my vote).

#47 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio
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#49 Edited by NighThunder (3099 posts) - - Show Bio

Another thing , Goku when attacking would probably appear invisible to klye , as the un-trained human eye can't see dbz character movements even from the start of dbz, now imagine how much faster they get from when goku was a kid to end of dbz or gt

It should be noted that goku's punches can shatter the insides of planets

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And one of my favorite feats , Goku at base form in gt also used a Kamehameha to bust a hole through a dimension

#50 Posted by dondave (36648 posts) - - Show Bio

I can't help but notice a few of ComicStooge's scans weren't that of Kyle, but of other characters. I know the idea is that Kyle can reproduce those feats, but this battle isn't about whether he can reproduce them, rather whether he has done them. Unfortunately, that irks me into giving Goku the edge (otherwise I would have given CS my vote).

If you see a scan of Hal making construct does it mean that Kyle couldn't do it too?