#1 Edited by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio
V.S
  • Fight 1: Kuurth has Cytorak's powers on top of his own
  • Fight 2: Kuurth is depowered by Cytorak
  • To the death no BFR.
  • Both characters are Cain Marko
#2 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic wins. More power.

#3 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@tron_bonne said:

Classic wins. More power.

Would you like to explain? There are two fight you know?

#4 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio

Classic is smarter too. He can think for himself unlike that pawn Kuurth. Lastly, Kuurth can't draw 100% of the 12% of power the Gem grants him while regular Classic Juggernaut can. 12% of the Gem's power turns him into Trion Juggernaut. Kuurth is no where close to 8th Day let alone TRION JUGGERNUT so this is a mismatch, especially if you count Classic Juggernaut's "other" features.

#5 Posted by D3athstroke (3909 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut stomps

#6 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@tron_bonne said:

Classic is smarter too. He can think for himself unlike that pawn Kuurth. Lastly, Kuurth can't draw 100% of the 12% of power the Gem grants him while regular Classic Juggernaut can. 12% of the Gem's power turns him into Trion Juggernaut. Kuurth is no where close to 8th Day let alone TRION JUGGERNUT so this is a mismatch, especially if you count Classic Juggernaut's "other" features.

Where does it say that Cain only draws upon 12% of the power gem?

#7 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio
@yumyumbubblegum said:

@tron_bonne said:

Classic is smarter too. He can think for himself unlike that pawn Kuurth. Lastly, Kuurth can't draw 100% of the 12% of power the Gem grants him while regular Classic Juggernaut can. 12% of the Gem's power turns him into Trion Juggernaut. Kuurth is no where close to 8th Day let alone TRION JUGGERNUT so this is a mismatch, especially if you count Classic Juggernaut's "other" features.

Where does it say that Cain only draws upon 12% of the power gem?

From the 8th Day Saga.  The Gem of Cyttorak is a conception artifact (only real to the mind of the chosen) constructed out of one portion of the Crimson Cosmos that represents 12.5% of the Physical Aspect of that reality. This power can be accessed through the destructive force of the barer of that Gem. This means 100% of the power of the Gem is only 12.5% (or 1/8) of Cyttorak's physical aspect, and that physical aspect is just but another fraction of all the other aspects of Cyttorak. The power of a full powered Kuurth didn't display anything that puts him on the same level as a full powered Classic Juggernaut with 100% destruction in mind and not jobbing or handicapped with CIS. 
 
 8th Day is a Juggernaut that is full powered with his mind still in tact and morals on 
 Trion Juggernaut is utilizing almost all of the power of the Gem, but his mindset is off and he has practically no moral value whatsoever. 
 
We know that Juggernaut is jobbing big time when he plays with the X-Men or any other Earthly characters because the supernatural entities say that the 12% of power that the Juggernaut carries inside him is enough to take full command of the entire Universe. 
 
Which is true to its nature because Trion Juggernaut was smashing realities by punching the air around him.  
#8 Posted by Boobster (1608 posts) - - Show Bio

Kuurth stomps.

#9 Posted by CapitolPunishment (2303 posts) - - Show Bio

@Boobster said:

Kuurth stomps.

#10 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@CapitolPunishment said:

@Boobster said:

Kuurth stomps.

#11 Posted by The_VoteMan (27 posts) - - Show Bio

I vote for Kuurth. He looks like he plays from the movie Tron.

#12 Posted by DonaldDuck (132 posts) - - Show Bio

In my opinion. Kuurth wins because he has a hammer.

#13 Posted by HellionVulcan (3637 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight 1 - Kuurth

Fight 2 - Classic Juggernaut would slaughter Kuurth .

#14 Posted by Oshtur (150 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight 1 - Breaker of Stone vs Breaker of Reality 
 
Fight 2 - Breaker of Stone vs Breaker of Reality 
 
 
*Double powered Kuurth was Cain in combination of a depowered Juggernaut (The one that fought King Hyperion) and Serpent  
**People need to stop thinking that Cyttorak was amplifying Kuurth because the only power he gave Cain was the residue power of the old depowered Juggernaut (again the one who fought Hyperion)

#15 Edited by HellionVulcan (3637 posts) - - Show Bio

@Oshtur said:

Fight 1 - Breaker of Stone vs Breaker of Reality Fight 2 - Breaker of Stone vs Breaker of Reality *Double powered Kuurth was Cain in combination of a depowered Juggernaut (The one that fought King Hyperion) and Serpent **People need to stop thinking that Cyttorak was amplifying Kuurth because the only power he gave Cain was the residue power of the old depowered Juggernaut (again the one who fought Hyperion)

But u didn't read op Kuurth has Cyttorak's powers on top of his own so its serpents power plus Cyttoraks power(well op never stated how much could be equal to classic level or just enough to not be harmed by much) in the first fight which would mean Kuurth is more powerful & unstoppable then classic/normal juggernaut but til the death no one in this fight can die besides kuurth going by the colossus/juggernaut moment but thats not in this fight so draw unless it was under BFR rules & by that Kuurth would win since he can fly he can bfr classic juggernaut all day every day .

#16 Posted by yumyumbubblegum (618 posts) - - Show Bio

@HellionVulcan: No. What I meant was, that in fight 1, Kuurth would be at his original power level before Cytorak stripped him of Juggernaut powers in Uncanny X-men #543. So @Oshtur: is right on the money.

#17 Posted by Horrificus (9 posts) - - Show Bio

Kuurth WITH Cytorak power did not seem as powerful as the Classic Juggernaut. And he definitely didn't seem to show the invulnerability traits that Classic showed. So, it's hard to tell what levell of Cy's power he had.

Plus, he has that extra "u" in his name, which I do not appreciate!

#18 Posted by 7am_Waking_Up_In_The_Morning (3578 posts) - - Show Bio

Breaker of Stone vs Breaker of Adamantium