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#1 Edited by whatitdo (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama from Yu Yu Hakusho

Aizen From Bleach

Random encounter

both from their prime and at their best power.

Explain how and prove your point with legit info

#2 Edited by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama stomps. Aizen himself said and proved that Bleach moves don't work on someone with overwhelmingly more Reiastsu. Kurama has that over him by far. Kurama's also much faster, stronger, and smarter.

#3 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10086 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Aizen is at his prime/best power, that means he has Hogyoku.

#4 Edited by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7031 posts) - - Show Bio

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#5 Posted by thelocust619 (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

#6 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10086 posts) - - Show Bio

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

Lol,what? What chapter were you reading? Did you not see the part where Urahara said he used a special kido on Aizen that needed Ichigo to push him far enough to activate? It sealed off Aizen so that the Hogyoku wouldn't recognize him.

#7 Posted by colliderz (1997 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if Kurama wins

Just as I planned.

Anyway does Kurama have anything to counter Aizen's hax

#8 Posted by thelocust619 (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: Lol,what? What chapter were you reading? Did you not see the part where Urahara said he used a special kido on Aizen that needed Ichigo to push him far enough to activate? It sealed off Aizen so that the Hogyoku wouldn't recognize him.

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Um...the kido was restricted by the hogokyu. The only reason it activated is because the hogokyu no longer accepted Aizen as its master because he was defeated by Ichigo. In other words, Ichigo beat him so hard the hogokyu DID NOT evolve him after taking muugetsu. Instead it rejected him, allowing Urahara's seal to activate. So I need to ask, what makes you feel Aizen would be able to get any stronger after that? The answer is he simply can't, that's why the hogokyu was like "peace"

#9 Posted by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Aizen is at his prime/best power, that means he has Hogyoku.

Yep. He still gets stomped. Effortlessly.

Best Case scenario for Aizen, he's trapped in the Sinning Tree for ever and ever and ever.

Kurama stomps either way. And it's not even close at all. It's like....A random weight lifter vs. Hulk in an armwrestle.

#10 Edited by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (10086 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619: No no no, Urahara sealed the kido inside another kido and it was only until Ichigo pushed him far enough that it was able to take effect.

(Accidentally clicked next by accident)

It's because that Ichigo had brought him far enough that the seal was able to activate. The Hogyoku rejects him AFTER the seal activates. Notice before hand he was completely fine until Urahara's kido activates.

#11 Edited by thelocust619 (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: impossible. You say it rejected him after the seal took effect, yet in the final scan you posted it says "it took effect because his power was weakening" as in "becoming weaker" as in not becoming stronger because the hogokyu had already rejected him when ichigo hit him with muugetsu. In fact if you post the next scan, Urahara even says "thanks to ichigo", proving that it was Ichigo's attack that made the hogokyu reject aizen which weakened him enough for the seal to activate. As he described in the scans you posted to try n debunk this. He's clearly saying exactly what I said. It makes much more sense than "the kifo was waiting for aizen to get...stronger...before activating" Wut?? No...

Now if mountain busting ichigo could beat Aizen so hard the hogokyu refuses to adapt any farther, why would Aizen be able to adapt beyond that level? Sure, they suggest Aizen was rejected because he wanted to be rejected, but that was never any more than speculation and thusly there is nothing to outright verify Aizen can continue evolving beyond a state that can handle muugetsu.

#12 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

@darkraiden: Aizen is at his prime/best power, that means he has Hogyoku.

Yep. He still gets stomped. Effortlessly.

Best Case scenario for Aizen, he's trapped in the Sinning Tree for ever and ever and ever.

Kurama stomps either way. And it's not even close at all. It's like....A random weight lifter vs. Hulk in an armwrestle.

Pretty much this.

@darkraiden you really oughta think about signing yourself up on the Battle Callout Phonebook under Yu Yu Hakusho.

#13 Posted by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

@darkraiden: Aizen is at his prime/best power, that means he has Hogyoku.

Yep. He still gets stomped. Effortlessly.

Best Case scenario for Aizen, he's trapped in the Sinning Tree for ever and ever and ever.

Kurama stomps either way. And it's not even close at all. It's like....A random weight lifter vs. Hulk in an armwrestle.

Pretty much this.

@darkraiden you really oughta think about signing yourself up on the Battle Callout Phonebook under Yu Yu Hakusho.

lol maybe. I just kinda show up since it's a favorite anime of mine. It also tends to get lowballed and disrespected so I have to come and defend it.

#14 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@darkraiden said:

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

@darkraiden: Aizen is at his prime/best power, that means he has Hogyoku.

Yep. He still gets stomped. Effortlessly.

Best Case scenario for Aizen, he's trapped in the Sinning Tree for ever and ever and ever.

Kurama stomps either way. And it's not even close at all. It's like....A random weight lifter vs. Hulk in an armwrestle.

Pretty much this.

@darkraiden you really oughta think about signing yourself up on the Battle Callout Phonebook under Yu Yu Hakusho.

lol maybe. I just kinda show up since it's a favorite anime of mine. It also tends to get lowballed and disrespected so I have to come and defend it.

Same here.

#15 Posted by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

I love kurama but how does he compete with aizen?

#16 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

#17 Posted by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

#18 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

I'm just going to assume that you're joking and end this discussion now.

#19 Edited by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

I'm just going to assume that you're joking and end this discussion now.

Sigh. Then prove to me. How does he beat Aizen?

I'll wait.

#20 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

I'm just going to assume that you're joking and end this discussion now.

Sigh. Then prove to me. How does he beat Aizen?

I'll wait.

@cadencev2 - Please "take him to church".

#21 Edited by Marshall_Long (2046 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama

#22 Posted by ShiZZmAhh (534 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

I'm just going to assume that you're joking and end this discussion now.

Sigh. Then prove to me. How does he beat Aizen?

I'll wait.

Lmao!

#23 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

@carter_esque said:

@deathhero61 said:

I love Aizen but how does he compete with Kurama?

Fixed that for you..

No you didn't. Im serious. Based on feats alone, kurama wouldn't stand much of a chance against top tier bleach characters.

I'm just going to assume that you're joking and end this discussion now.

Sigh. Then prove to me. How does he beat Aizen?

I'll wait.

lol Others have already provided the reason why Kurama would win... are you just wanting to start a debate in lieu of skimming through the evidence that has already been presented?

#24 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

#25 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

#26 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: what is a Azien. I do not do crappy Bleach threads.

#27 Posted by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: What evidence? a back and forth argument on how ichigo beated aizen? and the Hogokyu's abilities?

#28 Edited by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

I never saw any illusion resistance from kurama from what I recall but many people are saying him can kurama overcome kyoka suigetsu

#29 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque: what is a Azien. I do not do crappy Bleach threads.

Dang you hate Bleach too? It's actually a pretty good manga. Have you tried to give it a chance?

#30 Posted by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2 said:

@carter_esque: what is a Azien. I do not do crappy Bleach threads.

Dang you hate Bleach too? It's actually a pretty good manga. Have you tried to give it a chance?

Bleach is actually pretty damn cool. Every arc is interesting in its own way, although i did skip the zanpacto arc since whoever made the anime decided to cut into the most epic fight in bleach just for that arc........

#31 Posted by Jphu8414 (3746 posts) - - Show Bio

Aizen stomps pretty handily here

#32 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@cadencev2 said:

@carter_esque: what is a Azien. I do not do crappy Bleach threads.

Dang you hate Bleach too? It's actually a pretty good manga. Have you tried to give it a chance?

Bleach is actually pretty damn cool. Every arc is interesting in its own way, although i did skip the zanpacto arc since whoever made the anime decided to cut into the most epic fight in bleach just for that arc........

I watched the show. Some parts are cool, but the whole powers they have are lame and hax.

#33 Edited by DeathHero61 (6490 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Lame? I'd say unique. Hax? most of the characters with hax have some sort of flaw or loophole IIRC

#34 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@cadencev2: Lame? I'd say unique. Hax? most of the characters with hax have some sort of flaw or loophole IIRC

Im a fan of skill with power over loop hole exploiting or hax powers.

#35 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17474 posts) - - Show Bio

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

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#36 Posted by xlab3000 (3282 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama stomps. Aizen himself said and proved that Bleach moves don't work on someone with overwhelmingly more Reiastsu. Kurama has that over him by far. Kurama's also much faster, stronger, and smarter.

this.

#37 Posted by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

#38 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17474 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

Out with you.

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#39 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

Out with you.

He is partly correct, considering that the victim is immortal like Elder Toguro.

#40 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17474 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

Out with you.

He is partly correct, considering that the victim is immortal like Elder Toguro.

and the part where he's incorrect?

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#41 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

@carter_esque said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

Out with you.

#42 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17474 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@princearagorn1 said:

@carter_esque said:

@awesam said:

@thelocust619 said:

I second Dark Raiden. Hogokyu failed to evolve past Island Busting levels, saying it can go farther is a NLF

On the contrary, it has the ability to grant the users deepest desires. If Aizen wants Kurama dead, then the Hogyoku could arguably grant him the power to do so.

And I'm sure that he'll be fulfilling that desire... in his mind while trapped inside of Kurama's Sinning Tree for all eternity.

all eternity?

Out with you.

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#43 Posted by OverLordArhas (7790 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1:

LOLZ!

The Big "IF" is, can Kurama PLANT the seeds without Aizen noticing it. The seeds could be considered hax because it seals the user's ability and imprisoning them in a dream/nightmare state. The Tree (Parasite) continuously feed on the user, if the victim is immortal then both could last for eternity.

#44 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

Kurama stomps. Aizen himself said and proved that Bleach moves don't work on someone with overwhelmingly more Reiastsu. Kurama has that over him by far. Kurama's also much faster, stronger, and smarter.

I assume you are referring to the moment where he overpowered soifon shikai two hit technique. I think that rule may only apply to her ability because she said it was a poison and IIRC Aizen said using his reiatsu he can overpower the poison of her shikai. If it was the case why didn't Aizen tank all of their attacks in fake karakura town to show them how truly inferior they are rather than kyoka suigetsu them that instance is really the only instance I recall of Aizen tanking an attack I could be wrong though.

#45 Posted by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

Kurama stomps. Aizen himself said and proved that Bleach moves don't work on someone with overwhelmingly more Reiastsu. Kurama has that over him by far. Kurama's also much faster, stronger, and smarter.

I assume you are referring to the moment where he overpowered soifon shikai two hit technique. I think that rule may only apply to her ability because she said it was a poison and IIRC Aizen said using his reiatsu he can overpower the poison of her shikai. If it was the case why didn't Aizen tank all of their attacks in fake karakura town to show them how truly inferior they are rather than kyoka suigetsu them that instance is really the only instance I recall of Aizen tanking an attack I could be wrong though.

IIRC He said that techniques in general can be overpowered by Reiatsu by a much stronger opponent. So that would include his illusions unfortunately.

#46 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: really why couldn't the captain commander overcome kyoka suigetsu his reiatsu certainly dwarfed aizen's I remember he had to let aizen's sword stab him in the stomach to not be in kyoka suigetsu

#47 Posted by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: really why couldn't the captain commander overcome kyoka suigetsu his reiatsu certainly dwarfed aizen's I remember he had to let aizen's sword stab him in the stomach to not be in kyoka suigetsu

IDK ask Aizen. He said it, so I can only go by his word. Also I'm not quite sure his reiatsu DOES dwarf Aizen's.

#48 Posted by uchiha454 (2285 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: if it didn't he wouldn't have nerfed the captain commander with wonderwiess he himself even said that one on one he is no match for him in terms of power

#49 Posted by Jeepeh (3874 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk: impossible. You say it rejected him after the seal took effect, yet in the final scan you posted it says "it took effect because his power was weakening" as in "becoming weaker" as in not becoming stronger because the hogokyu had already rejected him when ichigo hit him with muugetsu. In fact if you post the next scan, Urahara even says "thanks to ichigo", proving that it was Ichigo's attack that made the hogokyu reject aizen which weakened him enough for the seal to activate. As he described in the scans you posted to try n debunk this. He's clearly saying exactly what I said. It makes much more sense than "the kifo was waiting for aizen to get...stronger...before activating" Wut?? No...

Now if mountain busting ichigo could beat Aizen so hard the hogokyu refuses to adapt any farther, why would Aizen be able to adapt beyond that level? Sure, they suggest Aizen was rejected because he wanted to be rejected, but that was never any more than speculation and thusly there is nothing to outright verify Aizen can continue evolving beyond a state that can handle muugetsu.

I would say it was more than speculation with the look Urahara gave Ichigo when he said it. Urahara just didn't tell Aizen the truth because if he knew the reason he lost his power is because he didn't want it he would probably change his mind and say "NO. I WANT IT." I'm not sure if it would make a difference though. I'd say him wanting to be rejected is the correct version though.

#50 Posted by Jeepeh (3874 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: if it didn't he wouldn't have nerfed the captain commander with wonderwiess he himself even said that one on one he is no match for him in terms of power

@uchiha454 said:

@darkraiden: really why couldn't the captain commander overcome kyoka suigetsu his reiatsu certainly dwarfed aizen's I remember he had to let aizen's sword stab him in the stomach to not be in kyoka suigetsu

IDK ask Aizen. He said it, so I can only go by his word. Also I'm not quite sure his reiatsu DOES dwarf Aizen's.

Yamamoto is far more powerful than Aizen. And Shinji's illusions worked on Aizen who had far more spiritual power than him. I guess the illusions aren't Reiatsu based?