@force_echo: You're arguments for Halo are excellent btw but this....
but the fact is that Jensen can hit a lot harder than Batman.
Not based on his feats. The only argument that can be made for Jensen is to say he's cybernetically enhanced and dismiss everything Bruce and Dick have done. The fact is they both have better striking feats.
Jensen is faster than Deathstroke and Batman
Because he can dodge sniper bullets? Badass feat, something Bruce has done with his back turned after they were fired. Cassandra Cain who's dodged sniper rounds inches from her face admitted Slade is faster than she is.
Also, Batman has blitzed Katana, Black Lightning and Major Force before any of them can react.
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Katana herself is fast enough to deflect gun fire from 2 simultaneously firing turrets.
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Strength
You want to know what's hilarious? Bruce is probably stronger than Jensen is.
Jensen with his augmentations is able to jump 9-12 feet in the air. Batman in Justice League #0 was leaping over 20 feet in the air, and that's with 100+ lbs of body armor and equipment on.
Bullets are no trouble at all to Bruce? He's been shot multiple times, and in numerous comics has made an effort to use a stealth approach on armed gunmen. This is coupled with the fact that since Batman is human, and humans can't dodge bullets no matter how fast, all instances of Bruce dodging bullets are PIS.
Why is it PIS? Because you say it is? Fun fact, Batman is a comic book human, standards are much different. Tons of human characters have dodged bullets, don't like it? Take it up with the writers, it isn't PIS just because you want it to be.
Yes he's been shot, that tends to happen when you have 70+ years of history., There's way more dodging feats than getting shot showings anyway.
Also, Batman uses a stealth approach on armed thugs, so does Jensen for that matter. In fact unless someone was bullet proof or had a Deadpool esque healing factor or was a speedster, most would prefer to use stealth to minimize the risk of getting shot. So it's a moot point.
Neither un-venomed Bane nor Deathstroke are in Jensen's strength category. Irrelevant information. Batman has always avoided shots from Venom-enhanced Bane rather than taking them full on. Add in the fact that Jensen has monomlecular edges on huge swords that deploy from his arms.
lol Faces of Evil Deathstroke was able to shatter missile proof glass, that pretty much sh*ts all over Jensens' feats. Bane pre 52 without Venom was able to uproot and move a multi ton statue.
And Jensen has dodged hypervelocity sniper rounds while carrying another person. Also, out of all the scans I've seen of Deathstroke on various boards, I've never seen him deflect or slice bullets in half. Furthermore, this doesn't even make any sense, in the New 52 comic series he simply tanks every round that comes his way. Why take the damage if he can so effortlessly dodge bullets?
Bruce has dodged mach 4 sniper bullets after they've been fired with his back turned. I haven't seen Deathstroke deflect bullets but he doesn't need to, he's already out reacted characters with superhuman speed and Cassandra Cain who's dodged a sniper rifle round inches from her face admitted that Slade was faster than she is.
He tanks rounds in the New 52 because his armor is bullet proof, why would he even bother dodging if bullets won't hurt him in the first place?
I could crack bazooka-proof glass if I had a hard object. Glass created against explosives like a bazooka is meant to redirect jets of intense heat, not physical force and pressure that comes from physical blows. That's why even high grade bulletproof glass doesn't stand up to an RPG. Also, bazooka-proof glass is not equal to Carbon Nanotube. Maybe you missed it, so I'll repeat myself, Carbon Nanotube is the strongest material on the planet Earth, far above bulletproof glass, solid high-carbon steel, anything. Ever. Jensen's dermal armor is composed of this material suspended in shear-thickening fluid that protects against blunt force impact. Batman is not hurting Jensen.
I seriously doubt you could. Unless the glass was made in China. Bazooka proof glass would be designed to protect against the heat AND the physical force, which is over 14,000 PSI. Now ignoring the fact that Bats has beaten the hell out of characters more durable than Jensen, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say that Bats probably wouldn't do much damage in a slug fest and I'll explain that in a bit, but he would do ridiculous amounts of damage by hitting him in his weak points though. This is exactly how Batman and Nightwing beat Amazo.
Drop him with pressure points? Jensen is cybernetic, he doesn't have pressure points. Seriously, do you even know who you're debating against?
Funny thing is, Solomon Grundy is made of plant matter and it didn't stop Bruce from dropping him with pressure points. Even if Jensen is cybernetic both Batman and Nightwing can see structural weakness and target those, just like Slade can.
Batman has cloaked himself from superman in only a prepared scenario, where he has had the prep to coat his armor, add a silencer to his heartbeat, etc. Also, Supes and Jonn don't have advanced computerized tracking systems slaved to their retinas that automatically detect and track all threats.
He's cloaked himself from Supes without prep as well, early issue of Man of Steel had him vanish in front of Supes. He's been able to vanish in from of Captain Atom and Superman leaving them baffled.
The one instance that Batman used a device, it silenced his heart beat, it didn't silence his foot steps, the shift in the air when he moved around which Superman can easily detect.
Now I don't want to say that Batman can sneak up on Jensen because he sneaked up on characters like Superman and use ABC logic, but the mechanics of Jensen's detection are pretty vague and it can't be said for sure weather Bruce would be able to sneak up on him or not.
Human biology can only go so far, nerves require action potentials, sodium and potassium voltage gates, the whole works, an electrical system simply relies on an electric field which is instantiated almost instantly
Comic book humans, human biology would didcate that a man can't master every martial art style, every scientific discipline, detective skills and criminology, spend a majority of each night patrolling the murder capital of the world, get minimal amount of sleep and than wake up the run his billion dollar company without keeling over. But voila.
I know Batman is too, but usually when Batman beats a stronger opponent (like Amazo), it's because they're stupid as a sack of bricks.
Yes because I forget that characters like Dr Light, White Martians, Cheetah, Aquaman, Black Manta, Major Force and Grodd are all a big group of dummies.
I mean, let's say that somehow Batman does get the drop on Jensen, what the hell's he going to do? Punch him? Kick him? Use a batarang?
Most of these tactics would work fine unless of course you dismiss Batman's feats. It's fine though, it isn't a fair comparison anyway since Batman's universe has a higher standard than Jensen's and he's had way more exposure and history. I'm sure if Jensen was in DC Universe or at least in a regular series he'd have better feats. I certainly don't want to argue that because Batman recently beat the Super Titan Gladiator who was capable of hurting Superman he'd beat Jensen's ass, I believe that to debate Batman against someone like Jensen you need to look at how Batman would fight lower end meta's like Deathstroke or in the New 52 Bane instead of looking how he fights someone like Cheetah or Amazo.
Ironically DC did publish the Deus Ex HR comic where Jensen had some of his better feats. If they kept that going or integrated Jensen into DCU where he could actually take on powerful enemies he'd have a much better chance. I happen to have a lot of respect for Jensen, but the only way he can really win here is by dumbing down Bats.
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