Konoha 13 & Strawhat vs Young Justice & Young Avengers

Battle Conditions

Bloodlusted

No Prep

No BFR

All Character in Their most Modern form unless dead

Win By Death

Naruto only has

Who Wins and Why

Raven/Kid Flash

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@Rumble Man said:

Raven/Kid Flash

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Yep, and bloodlusted Starfire is going to change some of them to dust.

@Ferdelance: they beat her to it :p

Most recent forms and team 1 murderstomps.

Bart Allen, Raven, Starfire make this a stomp, despite how powerful the Strawhats have gotten.

Bart Allen, Raven, Starfire make this a stomp, despite how powerful the Strawhats have gotten.

@Dredeuced: Actually currently starfire is part of the outlaws and raven hasnt really joined yet. Plus despite barts speed the straw hats not only move supersonic plus they have haki so yeah team one wins

@morgrim said:

@Dredeuced: Actually currently starfire is part of the outlaws and raven hasnt really joined yet. Plus despite barts speed the straw hats not only move supersonic plus they have haki so yeah team one wins

In the OP he had a picture that included Starfire, Robin, Beast Boy, Raven, Cyborg and Kid Flash

@Dredeuced: even so luffy/zoro/sanji/brook and even usopp could take out starfire. They take blows from giants and can topple island movers with one hit. Starfire gets beaten by death stroke on a regular basis she is no trouble

Yeah and Wally is like 0 for 6 against Deathstroke and he'd still solo the entire one piece universe. Don't ABC it.

So is The Konoha 13 or the Young avengers just not a factor here

@Dredeuced: No offense but that statement reaked of fanboyism

"Yeah and Wally is like 0 for 6 against Deathstroke and he'd still solo the entire one piece universe. Don't ABC it."

You are aware that luffy's crew have the power to see what wally/bart would do before they do it. add super speed tot hat and he would be easily dispatched. The major problem with speed sters is that if you preempt or fire a large enough attack they will fall

Only luffy has the 'good' haki here

Then again no point if raven uses mind-washy

KFlash blitzes

Starfire is actually weaker than those two

@ThatGuyWithHeadPhones: MENTION THE CHAKRA AND HAKI USAGE FIRST! unless you want your thread to derail to 'whether young justice have chakra.

I know what observation Haki is. Observation haki doesn't help you against a guy who can punch harder than Superman and do it in less than a picosecond -- far faster than the Strawhats have even an inkling of responding to. You're wanking One Piece character abilities.

Luffy's striking feats wouldn't even harm Wally. Dude's tanked hits from far stronger characters without so much as a bruise.

You brought up the Titans losing to Deathstroke (not relevant with the most recent incarnation of Starfire, btw) as if that matters, without context of how or why he wins these fights, or how much more powerful Starfire has gotten. You used pure A > B so therefore A > C logic to justify the Strawhats winning, and it's a very poor argument.

@PrinceAragorn1: *Sigh* that why I don't make Naruto or One piece Threads

@Dredeuced said:

I know what observation Haki is. Observation haki doesn't help you against a guy who can punch harder than Superman and do it in less than a picosecond -- far faster than the Strawhats have even an inkling of responding to. You're wanking One Piece character abilities.

Luffy's striking feats wouldn't even harm Wally. Dude's tanked hits from far stronger characters without so much as a bruise.

You brought up the Titans losing to Deathstroke (not relevant with the most recent incarnation of Starfire, btw) as if that matters, without context of how or why he wins these fights, or how much more powerful Starfire has gotten. You used pure A > B so therefore A > C logic to justify the Strawhats winning, and it's a very poor argument.

Nah.. wally can't hurt luffy.. no matter how fast he punches. try again.

@ThatGuyWithHeadPhones: Make sure that you mention whether chakra abilities like genjutsu etc to work in the op, otherwise your thread is doomed :(

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Dredeuced said:

I know what observation Haki is. Observation haki doesn't help you against a guy who can punch harder than Superman and do it in less than a picosecond -- far faster than the Strawhats have even an inkling of responding to. You're wanking One Piece character abilities.

Luffy's striking feats wouldn't even harm Wally. Dude's tanked hits from far stronger characters without so much as a bruise.

You brought up the Titans losing to Deathstroke (not relevant with the most recent incarnation of Starfire, btw) as if that matters, without context of how or why he wins these fights, or how much more powerful Starfire has gotten. You used pure A > B so therefore A > C logic to justify the Strawhats winning, and it's a very poor argument.

Nah.. wally can't hurt luffy.. no matter how fast he punches. try again.

Luffy has been harmed by physical attacks and Wally's punch would send him into the mesosphere, he can burn up on reentry for all I care. Wally could also just melt him like he does metal with friction, phase his brain out of his head, or do any hundreds of things to easily kill Luffy. One Piece is not in the same weight class as DC comics.

@Dredeuced: since I cant be bothered to argue this now i leave it at this. Bart has been hit by slightly above average people c\and been knocked out. the strawhats stop giants with one punch wally's brain would implode and he would die from one hit

@morgrim said:

@Dredeuced: since I cant be bothered to argue this now i leave it at this. Bart has been hit by slightly above average people c\and been knocked out. the strawhats stop giants with one punch wally's brain would implode and he would die from one hit

Irrelevant. A bloodlusted Bart just phases his brain out of his head. There's a difference between what you see in comics and what a character can do when bloodlusted.

Wally has been cold cocked by Mongul and it didn't leave a mark. He's eaten hits from all his JL compadres and a million different bruisers, none of which have imploded his brains. He's taken thousands of hits from Zoom and Amazo, both of who are stronger than Superman, and beat both. You're talking nonsense if you think the Strawhat's striking strength even compares to the hits that Wally has taken without issue.

Kind of tired of this myth that speedsters aren't durable, frankly.

@Dredeuced: Phases his brain out of his head? You do know that would kill him right?

Also what you are mentioning is somewhat PIS. Wally and most speedsters have human bodies hence why they can be cut, punched and stuff. their only power is their speed so if luffy's punches can crush giant skulls then they can certainly crush human ones

...Bart can phase LUFFY'S brain out of his head. Now you're being intentionally obtuse.

Wally and most speedsters do have human bodies. Their Human bodies aren't what defends them -- it's the speed force and, to a lesser extent, the speed suits they wear (Which are made of raw speed force energy and reduce kinetic impact). Wally has CONSISTENTLY survived very very hard hitters hitting him, it can't possibly be PIS, and his durability has specific explanation.

It's doubly irrelevant because every speedster, including bart, operates at nanosecond timeframes which are far faster than OP characters have been shown to react to. Bart would destroy them if he was bloodlusted and using the full extent of his powers.

@Dredeuced said:

@PrinceAragorn1 said:

@Dredeuced said:

I know what observation Haki is. Observation haki doesn't help you against a guy who can punch harder than Superman and do it in less than a picosecond -- far faster than the Strawhats have even an inkling of responding to. You're wanking One Piece character abilities.

Luffy's striking feats wouldn't even harm Wally. Dude's tanked hits from far stronger characters without so much as a bruise.

You brought up the Titans losing to Deathstroke (not relevant with the most recent incarnation of Starfire, btw) as if that matters, without context of how or why he wins these fights, or how much more powerful Starfire has gotten. You used pure A > B so therefore A > C logic to justify the Strawhats winning, and it's a very poor argument.

Nah.. wally can't hurt luffy.. no matter how fast he punches. try again.

Luffy has been harmed by physical attacks and Wally's punch would send him into the mesosphere, he can burn up on reentry for all I care. Wally could also just melt him like he does metal with friction, phase his brain out of his head, or do any hundreds of things to easily kill Luffy. One Piece is not in the same weight class as DC comics.

And what was the last time wally did any of those things? And luffy is hurt by physical hits only when infused with haki/comedy scenes.

Use friction to super heat things? All the time. Punch really hard? All the time. He's also speed stolen...all the time. The only thing he doesn't do frequently, but is capable of, is offensive phasing by either phasings parts of the body apart, molecular disintegration via phasing, or phasing them into other solid objects.

It's been awhile since Wally did anything, basically since Flash: Rebirth when they brought back Barry. That said, it should be Bart and not Wally if this is young justice, but bloodlusted Bart shouldn't have a problem, either.